JERUSALEM EMBASSY: Why Trump’s Right & Palestine Deserves NOTHING! | Louder With Crowder

[Acer-m14]

 

[holdover]

Im no expert in middle eastern affairs ,I don't understand the significance of the embassy move.I know it was supposed to be an open city when Isreal was founded , that's about it. However, shooting down unarmed protestors Is a little bit over the top. Your not winning any friends that way.

 

[Mosinitis]

The embassy is in the Jewish part of Jerusalem. What are they protesting? Berlin was a divided city and a capitol of East Germany.

 

[holdover]

I don't know , never heard their side of it.

 

[holdover]

Jerusalem is disputed territory.

Jerusalem is split into East Jerusalem, formerly controlled by Jordan and now controlled by Israel, and West Jerusalem, controlled by Israel. The problem is that Israel and Palestine both consider Jerusalem their capital.

According to the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, Israel was going to get some land, Palestine some, and Jerusalem was to become an international city.

However, this proposal was rejected by Arab countries and Palestine, and hence the dispute continues.

The majority of UN member states and most international organisations do not recognise Israel's ownership of East Jerusalem which occurred after the 1967 Six-Day War, nor its 1980 Jerusalem Law proclamation, which declared a "complete and united" Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

As a result, foreign embassies are mostly located in Tel Aviv.

As Nikita's answer mentions, USA can avoid controversy and complications by maintaining an embassy in Tel Aviv.

If the embassy is moved to Jerusalem, it means that USA recognizes that Israel deserves to control all of Jerusalem and that Jerusalem is Israel's.

USA, does not recognize Palestine. However, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is more like an Israeli-Arab conflict. Israel and Arab countries have gone to war multiple times. If America moved its embassy to Jerusalem, the neighboring Arab countries[and Muslim countries] would get pissed off, and something like the 1973 oil crisis might happen again, where the Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries proclaimed an oil embargo. Oil prices went up by four times per barrel. Saudi Arabia, and other oil countries have expressed discontent at USA's support of Israel.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-US...ppen-if-the-US-moved-its-embassy-to-Jerusalem

 

[GOPerfect]

I don't care either way. Most of the reason for me not caring is 100% due to ignorance. I have no idea why this is a big deal. Jerusalem is their capital, correct. Why did it take so long?

 

[holdover]

It appears Israel has taken it by conquest after the six day war. Which means Palestinians are sore losers ,I guess.
The only way to get it back now is by conquest , Israel's not going to just give it away.

Take it back or shut up would be my take on it. Nobody is going to just give it back, ever.

 

[Mosinitis]

There is a growing rift in relations between Israel and EU. The major point of contention is the embrace of the Nazi past in Eastern Europe, revisionist history and the rise of antisemitism. Israel is negotiating with Russia to join Eurasian Economic Union.

 

[Darth]

Why are we involved, in any way whatsoever, with this nonsense?

 

[holdover]

I agree 100% We need to get the hell out of mid east and let these people solve their differences themselves.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Why are we involved, in any way whatsoever, with this nonsense?

I truly believe that if you dig deep enough into these issues there's always something in if for the U.S. The days of fighting for noble purpose like in WWII are over.

 

[Jmac00]

this has been disputed territory for 2000 years.

AND better rethink this "protester" shit. This is a coordinated attack by Hamas

Violence Erupts in Gaza as US Embassy Opens in Jerusalem

Suddenly, the soldiers are being pelted with stones. Still, no reason to fire, until gun shots can be heard up and down the fence line and suddenly the soldiers realize that mixed in with these thousands of “protesters,” normal Palestinian civilians, are armed Hamas terrorists waiting for the opportunity to bag themselves an IDF soldier.

 

[Jmac00]

Media Do Hamas' Dirty Work, Claim Israel Is Killing 'Protesters.' That's A Lie.

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[meketrefe]

Why are we involved, in any way whatsoever, with this nonsense?

The US can open an embassy wherever they want being legally accepted and safe enough by the host country.
It is as simple as that. Jerusalem is the place, it has always been.
Again, the administration is doing what they said they were going to do, nothing else.
I don't have a problem with administrations actually delivering on their proposed agendas.

 

[Darth]

The US can open an embassy wherever they want being legally accepted and safe enough by the host country.
It is as simple as that. Jerusalem is the place, it has always been.
Again, the administration is doing what they said they were going to do, nothing else.
I don't have a problem with administrations actually delivering on their proposed agendas.

And the question remains, why in the hell would we?

So much for "America First."

 

[meketrefe]

And the question remains, why in the hell would we?

So much for "America First."

Why we buy at Walmart?

 

[holdover]

The US can open an embassy wherever they want being legally accepted and safe enough by the host country.
It is as simple as that. Jerusalem is the place, it has always been.
Again, the administration is doing what they said they were going to do, nothing else.
I don't have a problem with administrations actually delivering on their proposed agendas.

This is absolutely correct on its face, but Its a hell of lot more complex than that .

 

[holdover]

If the Israelis didn't put the Palestinians, in walled camps surrounded by guards , deny them the right of arms, and political representation, and shoot them on an almost daily basis , I might be inclined to believe that.

Do you have any proof that they took bombs to the protest? That would be a legitimate reason for shooting them. Given their past treatment of the Palestinians, and the media , I have to question it .

 

[Darth]

Why we buy at Walmart?

...because they provide a service to the people of America.

Not being taxpayer funded is also a bonus.

What?

 

[GOPerfect]

I am fine having Embassy's, I om one who believes they are needed. I just don't understand why this entire event is such a huge deal.

I am not sure why this wasn't done decades ago. If the Palestinians have such an issue, I say tough shit; not your Country.

Keep up the violence and die, seems pretty simple too me.

 

[holdover]

Thing is, both sides are laying claim to the land, both sides say they can prove it. I cannot tell you who is right or wrong in this. Its to involved. and both sides lie. So were pretty much lost on the whos right or wrong issue as Americans . Both sides have a right to fight for what they believe in .

So this issue will never ever end .I don't like to see civilians getting waxed, by anyone. And if they were armed , militia or terrorists , that's legit. No problem with that .But if they weren't, then that's a problem. 60 civilians were killed and hundreds wounded. I need to see the weapons they had before taking the press at their word.

 

[GOPerfect]

Thing is, both sides are laying claim to the land, both sides say they can prove it. I cannot tell you who is right or wrong in this. Its to involved. and both sides lie. So were pretty much lost on the whos right or wrong issue as Americans . Both sides have a right to fight for what they believe in .

So this issue will never ever end .I don't like to see civilians getting waxed, by anyone. And if they were armed , militia or terrorists , that's legit. No problem with that .But if they weren't, then that's a problem. 60 civilians were killed and hundreds wounded. I need to see the weapons they had before taking the press at their word.

Sure, then I see videos like this one, and wonder are they peaceful or are they a serious threat?

 

[GOPerfect]

I may be wrong, I am very ignorant on these affairs, but i see many similarities between the Palestinians in Israel and the BLM here in the US.

Almost all of the "Protests" by BLM begin, few a minute or two, as a peaceful get together.

 

[Mosinitis]

I may be wrong, I am very ignorant on these affairs, but i see many similarities between the Palestinians in Israel and the BLM here in the US.

Almost all of the "Protests" by BLM begin, few a minute or two, as a peaceful get together.

This has been the SOP all over the world.
Step 1. Peaceful protest by "nice", non-intimidating, concerned citizens, usually (not always) women and elderly holding signs.
Step 2. Younger, more loud protesters start to appear.
Step 3. Rocks and other objects start flying to provoke a response from the police.
Step 4. The media is called in to report on police trying to break up a peaceful protest and blamed for the altercations.
Step 5. Politicians and movement leaders go to the microphones and draw the world attention as protests become more violent.
Step 6. Depends on each situation and goals of those who instigated civil unrest. It can range from escalating confrontation and overthrowing legitimate government like it was done in Ukraine to ginning up the base and creating an issue to rally around like it is done in the U.S.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Thing is, both sides are laying claim to the land, both sides say they can prove it. I cannot tell you who is right or wrong in this. Its to involved. and both sides lie. So were pretty much lost on the whos right or wrong issue as Americans . Both sides have a right to fight for what they believe in .

So this issue will never ever end .I don't like to see civilians getting waxed, by anyone. And if they were armed , militia or terrorists , that's legit. No problem with that .But if they weren't, then that's a problem. 60 civilians were killed and hundreds wounded. I need to see the weapons they had before taking the press at their word.

Let me ask you this. If Mexicans were at the wall protesting, throwning rocks, throwing Molotov cocktails, spraying occasional AK fire and mortars because they wanted Texas, Arizona , and all the states with Spanish names that they once held, would you be okay with us defending ourselves?

Hamas uses these people as human shields.

 

[holdover]

Let me ask you this. If Mexicans were at the wall protesting, throwning rocks, throwing Molotov cocktails, spraying occasional AK fire and mortars because they wanted Texas, Arizona , and all the states with Spanish names that they once held, would you be okay with us defending ourselves?

Hamas uses these people as human shields.

Absolutely. Im, Not against self defense .Those lands were stolen from Mexico who stole them from the Natives, They both have a legitimate bitch , but they aren't getting them back with out a fight. Let me ask you if you think it would be wrong for the natives or the Mexicans to try to take them back by force?

Anybody using weapons is a legitimate target. Here or there. Now show me where they were using mortars , Aks , bombs, The Israeli casualties , Prove that was the case , I don't except the media at face value .

I did see pictures of rock throwers and possibly Molotov cocktails, But I didn't see any military grade weapons you claim.

 

[GOPerfect]

Absolutely. Im, Not against self defense .Those lands were stolen from Mexico who stole them from the Natives, They both have a legitimate bitch , but they aren't getting them back with out a fight. Let me ask you if you think it would be wrong for the natives or the Mexicans to try to take them back by force?

Anybody using weapons is a legitimate target. Here or there. Now show me where they were using mortars , Aks , bombs, The Israeli casualties , Prove that was the case , I don't except the media at face value .

I did see pictures of rock throwers and possibly Molotov cocktails, But I didn't see any military grade weapons you claim.

I don't either, that is, I do not see big weapons being used...

If this were closer to home and there were people throwing rocks and Molotov's at me and mine, I would shoot them as well.

 

[GOPerfect]

I guess the overall question is simple, well maybe not simple, is the land Israel or Palestine?

 

[holdover]

This has been the SOP all over the world.
Step 1. Peaceful protest by "nice", non-intimidating, concerned citizens, usually (not always) women and elderly holding signs.
Step 2. Younger, more loud protesters start to appear.
Step 3. Rocks and other objects start flying to provoke a response from the police.
Step 4. The media is called in to report on police trying to break up a peaceful protest and blamed for the altercations.
Step 5. Politicians and movement leaders go to the microphones and draw the world attention as protests become more violent.
Step 6. Depends on each situation and goals of those who instigated civil unrest. It can range from escalating confrontation and overthrowing legitimate government like it was done in Ukraine to ginning up the base and creating an issue to rally around like it is done in the U.S.

Another SOP Has been to send in provocateurs to justify the violent actions of the government
Another is to demonize the opposition