atc250r
.45 acp
This topic came up on a Facebook post today and I'm curious how one would handle it in NY if they were to convert a pistol from one caliber to another since a gun's caliber is listed on the permit?
Changing Caliber?
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meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Facebook is a whorehouse.
If it is for practice at the range is not needed. For conceal carry you need the receipt from the new barrel purchase
and then go to the county clerks office to do the amendment to the permit. But this might change from
county to county so call them first and ask the questions. Ask them anyway if it is for practice at the range only.
If you put a 16" barrel on a pistol you still need to put the stock to comply with federal law unless you have a NFA federal permit for that receiver for a short rifle.
I know a couple of local guys from the swat team who shoot MP5s and short ARs.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
In my opinion, you shouldn't have to. The serial number on the frame is the only thing important to follow their laws. Those that registered AR's don't have to make amendments if they place a Blackout upper on their AR and the same goes on a federal level for those who got tax stamps for SBR's.
If you have your registered Glock and have a different calibered barrel, they cannot charge you with anything. The frame is the gun. However, if you have another Glock frame and carry it with your old slide, you will be subject to arrest since the frame isn't registered.
It's the same as putting .38's in a .357 in my opinion.
If you have your registered Glock and have a different calibered barrel, they cannot charge you with anything. The frame is the gun. However, if you have another Glock frame and carry it with your old slide, you will be subject to arrest since the frame isn't registered.
It's the same as putting .38's in a .357 in my opinion.
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RandallOfLegend
.40 S&W
If you're stuck in under NYCs licensing scheme, you probably have to worry about it. Upstate it doesn't matter (generally).
So I have done this with a 1911, the process was a pain in the ass. I converted one of my 1911s from 38 Super to 45 ACP and just wanted to change the caliber. The clerk asked me for a receipt for the 45 barrel. I told her I did not have one. Then she asked for the receipt for where I sold my Super barrel. I told her I did not have one. She said how do we know you sold the other barrel. I said you don't, the 1911 doesn't work that way for caliber swaps when the breech face changes. I had to change the entire slide and barrel assembly as well as the ejector. I didn't have to change the ramp angle or size because it is a frame milled for a ramped barrel. The slide and barrel assembly is sitting in my drawer and I am planning on either getting rid of it this summer or building another 1911 with it. I have not made up my mind yet. After they thought about it for a little while they changed the caliber on my license. I said if I knew it was going to be this much of a headache I would not have told you about it.
alistair
6.5 Creedmoor
In Orange County you need to list both calibers on your permit.
I have a .22 conversion barrel for my 9mm Sig P226 and it is listed twice on permit.
I have a .22 conversion barrel for my 9mm Sig P226 and it is listed twice on permit.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Upstate you have to check.
In Monroe county you need to amend the CCW permit if you ad a new barrel you want to carry.
lets say you buy a lonewolf barrel to convert your 357 sig to 40 caliber. if you want to carry a 40 cal you need
the receipt and $3 and it will be done right on the spot but they will ask for the receipt.
so again, opinions what good are they for?
call or go to your county office and ask. Then you will know.
atc250r
.45 acp
Thanks for the replies. Not doing it but just was curious how it was generally handled. Since it's NY I figured there would be several possibilities. LOL!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Looks like I was wrong. They have amended Penal Law 400 to say that every 5 years, you have to recertify your license and all firearms listed on the license by make, model, caliber, and serial number. So at the very least, you must do so every 5 years if I'm reading it right.
Article 400 | NYS Penal Law | Licensing Provisions Firearms
Article 400 | NYS Penal Law | Licensing Provisions Firearms
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I just did this this morning at the Saratoga County Sheriffs office. I picked up two 9mm S&W mags from a friend and then ordered a Storm Lake conversion barrel.
I needed the receipt from Brownells and filled out a amendment form with the S&W M&P 40 cal's serial # and $3.00
I needed the receipt from Brownells and filled out a amendment form with the S&W M&P 40 cal's serial # and $3.00
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Justincase
6.5 Creedmoor
What if you have a modular Sig and have multiple caliber barrels. Do all of them need to be listed on the permit?
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Look on dogs website they say they will not ship them to my zip code. I wanted the sig 320, but all conversion kits said I could not get one. So I passed on it.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
Just did this with my Glock 20, bought a complete upper in .45ACP for a Glock 21, sent amendment for an additional caliber. Came back new card listing 10mm/.45ACP for firearm.
When I tried it once, before SAFE when I somewhat cared about the law, it was a complete disaster.
"You mean you just swap barrels and it's a different caliber? But the same serial?"
Totally dumbfounded. Had no idea what to to. Needless to say, I might forget to do that if I get another conversion barrel.
"You mean you just swap barrels and it's a different caliber? But the same serial?"
Totally dumbfounded. Had no idea what to to. Needless to say, I might forget to do that if I get another conversion barrel.
I'm sorry, but the weapon that is registered and on file is relative to the SERIAL #... If I change the caliber there is nothing at all illegal about it.
So, if I have a 4 cylinder engine in my car and decide to swap out to a V6 or V8, I need to re-register? Hmmmm...
I would love to see the inside of a courtroom on either one of those (NY)... As to re-registering, as with a vehicle, the re-registration would apply to the original condition and serial# at the time of purchase. Up and until accessories and barrels themselves are controlled and registered, it's nobody's business what I own, possess or use.
Have a nice day!
So, if I have a 4 cylinder engine in my car and decide to swap out to a V6 or V8, I need to re-register? Hmmmm...
I would love to see the inside of a courtroom on either one of those (NY)... As to re-registering, as with a vehicle, the re-registration would apply to the original condition and serial# at the time of purchase. Up and until accessories and barrels themselves are controlled and registered, it's nobody's business what I own, possess or use.
Have a nice day!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I believe you are correct. You aren't breaking any Criminal Penal Laws that hold a sentence like Criminal Possession of a Weapon.
I think the most that could possibly happen in the extreme unlikely event that some cop checks your serial number and caliber and writes a report to the county is the judge saying that you violated the terms of your license issued via Penal Law 400 and revoke or suspend it which is also an extreme unlikely thing to happen as well.
AnthonyC
.40 S&W
I did a forum search to see if a legal gun owner must register a new caliber for a handgun. With the increase in modular pistols it is now easier than ever to change a caliber while keeping the "same" gun. There still doesn't seem to much consensus about whether a new caliber for the same serial number needs to be registered. Although I would like to believe not, this is NY, and I do not trust my fate to not end up arrested and on trial to the "just doing my job" polijob nor the left-wing, anti-gun district attorneys and judges. Therefore Ibill be register any exchange barrels, that is if I have any...which I not saying I do.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Penal law 400 says that you do.
7. License: form. Any license issued pursuant to this section shall, except in the city of New York, be approved as to form by the superintendent of state police. A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver shall have attached the licensee's photograph, and a coupon which shall be removed and retained by any person disposing of a firearm to the licensee. Such license shall specify the weapon covered by calibre, make, model, manufacturer's name and serial number, or if none, by any other distinguishing number or identification mark, and shall indicate whether issued to carry on the person or possess on the premises, and if on the premises shall also specify the place where the licensee shall possess the same.
Just bring a receipt in to the permit office for whatever caliber conversion you have and ask them to add it.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Go find us the part of the law that says what "the weapon" is. I can't believe they'd be smart enough to be dumb enough to say that a slide and barrel (with no serial number and no fire control group) is "the weapon".
No lawyer but in my opinion, the caliber on the permit should be what the gun left the factory as.
No lawyer but in my opinion, the caliber on the permit should be what the gun left the factory as.
You have to register every caliber you have conversion kits for the gun in question. I have a T/C Encore pistol it did not come from the factory with a barrel, but there are literally a hundred barrels that can go on it (pistol, rifle, shotgun and Muzzle loader) any pistol length barrel I buy has to go on my permit as an additional caliber for the Frame. Same goes for AR pistols, and all the other pistols that have caliber conversion kits. Your pistol is listed once and all the calibers are listed in the caliber line for that pistol.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Here in Livingston county per the clerk we need to add any new barrel otherwise it is an unregistered handgun
alistair
6.5 Creedmoor
YES.
fnfalguy
.308 Win
Can you only imagine the clusterfuck for this if one was to have a Thompson Contender pistol?
I think it's fun y, I purchased a G19 frame online, when I got it and did the transfer the shop asked me what caliber I was going to make it, i said 9mm (should have done the trifecta and said 40/357/9) and on the receipt he wrote "glock 19 gen 4 9mm frame only"
So on my permit it says frame only lmao
So on my permit it says frame only lmao
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
10 I will cop to be wrong above and thank you gentlemen for the correction/clarification.
20 I stand by my often stated "this state is fucked up."
30 So if I want the Kadet barrel and slide for my CZ I have to add ".22 LR" to that entry on my permit.
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20 I stand by my often stated "this state is fucked up."
30 So if I want the Kadet barrel and slide for my CZ I have to add ".22 LR" to that entry on my permit.
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