Gubinatorial election

[Mosinitis]

So electing Mario Cuomo would have stopped Bruno from caving to political, media, and social pressure. Bullshit. You are wrong again. Mario Cuomo was NEVER going to watch out for our gun rights. Your ravings have zero credibility. If you want to rant, fighting for term limits would help your cause better than voting and cheering for a liberal progressive anti-gun socialists. Let it go, you will feel better.

Yes, Bruno would have stood up to Mario on partisan basis, where as he wouldn't do that to Pataki. We had a system in place to resist Mario, it didn't matter what Mario was watching out for. Stick your labels up your buns. It's hard to admit to yourself you were played for a fool most of your life, someone has to tell you.

None of the school shootings at the time involved the type of weapons banned by Pataki. Not to mention that similar Federal ban was losing its support even among the democrats at the time. Should I thank you for Pataki?

 

[Mosinitis]

You are in favor of keeping FUAC in office and he's one of the most corrupt politicians on the market. Jussayin...

If one believes it's a better option for gun rights AT THIS POINT, then yes.

 

[Steal2B]

Yes, Bruno would have stood up to Mario on partisan basis, where as he wouldn't do that to Pataki. We had a system in place to resist Mario, it didn't matter what Mario was watching out for. Stick your labels up your buns. It's hard to admit to yourself you were played for a fool most of your life, someone has to tell you.

Do you know Joe Bruno and what pressure was applied on him? I know that answer and I know it wasn't George Pataki's pressure that led to Bruno caving. Pataki could have hid behind Joe to survive his third upcoming election but he thought he could not have hid behind a veto. Your real enemy is career politicians who join a swamp because there are no term limits. There are swamp monsters in most major parties and there are also good, honest, polititicians who want to serve. Personally, I have had the oppotunity to get off my ass to meet some who I vote for and learned long ago that media reporting is twisted. So if you have met and have some inside info on Mario Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo, Joe Bruno, Mike Long, and George Pataki gimme a PM. Bottom line in 2000, we were sold out by 3 branches of state politics (the assembly, senate, and mansion) during a media and lobbying firestorm and then the state courts. If the wavering politicians knew that their term limits were coming up anyway, maybe just enough more would have stuck to the principles that got them elected.

 

[Mosinitis]

Do you know Joe Bruno and what pressure was applied on him? I know that answer and I know it wasn't George Pataki's pressure that led to Bruno caving. Pataki could have hid behind Joe to survive his third upcoming election but he thought he could not have hid behind a veto. Your real enemy is career politicians who join a swamp because there are no term limits. There are swamp monsters in most major parties and there are also good, honest, polititicians who want to serve. Personally, I have had the oppotunity to get off my ass to meet some who I vote for and learned long ago that media reporting is twisted. So if you have met and have some inside info on Mario Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo, Joe Bruno, Mike Long, and George Pataki gimme a PM.

Bullshit. I remember what was going on at the time very well. Federal gun ban of 1994 was losing its support even among the Democrats around the country. It didn't accomplish what antis hoped to accomplish and it was easy to get around. As it became apparent Federal ban was going to expire, Pataki made sure it would stay in NY.
There was no pressure to keep this ban as it was viewed as flawed by both sides for different reasons. I am glad I wasn't shmoozing around with people who gratuitously stuck us with this shit and made it easier for FUAC to take it a step further.

 

[GOPerfect]

He's a piss poor candidate, but not because he's not working hard, willing to get his name or message out. I've seen him a couple of places locally and I can assure you he is 100% in, but in for what? Peeling a few votes off from Molinaro. He's a fringe candidate in a fringe party with fringe views. Example: His solution for public education is ending at grade 10. Now do you really think that will fly? Put aside your personal feelings. Obviously he has the gun issue right. And Molinaro is not a strong candidate on guns. But, clearly he's not worse than Cuomo.

Point being, we upstaters lost the opportunity for a better candidate in primary season. Molinaro is our alternative to Cuomo now. If R's and gun owners can't mobilize behind Molinaro, then we can look forward to another 4 years of Cuomo.

Sadly for our state, all signs point to 4 more years.

I will be casting a vote towards Molinaro. My point is simple, if you want an elected position, you need to fight for that position. Sharpe, he shows that is is not interested. NY just sucks, our candidates suck, the political environment sucks, the people suck and so on...

 

[Steal2B]

Bullshit. I remember what was going on at the time very well. Federal gun ban of 1994 was losing its support even among the Democrats around the country. It didn't accomplish what antis hoped to accomplish and it was easy to get around. As it became apparent Federal ban was going to expire, Pataki made sure it would stay in NY.
There was no pressure to keep this ban as it was viewed as flowed by both sides for different reasons. I am glad I wasn't shmoozing around with people who gratuitously stuck us with this shit and made it easier for FUAC to take it a step further.

Schmoozing. That's funny. I am quite sure that they didn't enjoy me hunting them down. I'm leaving this topic, you are not only wrong but your obnoxious and boring meters are in the red zone. What a sore loser. You just can not let it go. Looks like you would get along with FUAC and FUHRC in their sore losers anonymous club chapter.

 

[GOPerfect]

And just to put it out there, the 2A is not even close to the top of my list for wanting change in NY. If the 2A is a voters first and main reason for voting this year, that voter has no clue how bad this State is.

 

[Mosinitis]

Schmoozing. That's funny. I am quite sure that they didn't enjoy me hunting them down. I'm leaving this topic, you are not only wrong but your obnoxious and boring meters are in the red zone.

I don't enjoy lectures by losers on how to be a loser. I don't chase politicians and beg them. I piss on them when they cross me and piss on lies, excuses and manipulation that is going on on their behalf.

 

[Mosinitis]

And just to put it out there, the 2A is not even close to the top of my list for wanting change in NY. If the 2A is a voters first and main reason for voting this year, that voter has no clue how bad this State is.

This is your right and I respect that and your honesty. I am a single issue advocate and this is a gun forum.

 

[GOPerfect]

This is your right and I respect that and your honesty. I am a single issue advocate and this is a gun forum.

I know what type of forum this is. Been here since the beginning. I just think that there are much larger issues in NY as well as the entire Country. If guns are you biggest concern, have at it.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Cuomo's corrupt spending and selling NY down the drain to make more money and boost himself to a POTUS is my biggest concern. He needs to go. 2a will never be fixed until the people rise up and remove NYC from our voter base. This state ks fucked, has been fucked for decades and will continue to be fucked foenthe foreseeable future. Our Taxs kill everything in this state and nobody, no left, center or right wants that to change too much money to be siphoned off into their pockets from the sweat of our backs.

 

[GOPerfect]

Cuomo's corrupt spending and selling NY down the drain to make more money and boost himself to a POTUS is my biggest concern. He needs to go. 2a will never be fixed until the people rise up and remove NYC from our voter base. This state ks fucked, has been fucked for decades and will continue to be fucked foenthe foreseeable future. Our Taxs kill everything in this state and nobody, no left, center or right wants that to change too much money to be siphoned off into their pockets from the sweat of our backs.

Trying to fix the gun issue in NY the way people are fighting is like repairing leaked through drywall prior to fixing the leaky roof. But if the gun issue is all people want corrected, so be it. I will continue to look at the much, much bigger problem.

 

[Mosinitis]

NY has been corrupt for ages. People are kidding themselves thinking this can be fixed. We still have to live here (those of us that do) and exercise our rights. I am not putting this on hold until politicians stop being politicians.

 

[GOPerfect]

NY has been corrupt for ages. People are kidding themselves thinking this can be fixed. We still have to live here (those of us that do) and exercise our rights. I am not putting this on hold until politicians stop being politicians.

Okay. With the current type of voter and candidate pool, you will be fighting for a very long time. As well as a serious uphill battle. Good for you and all others. The Second Amendment is very important to so many of us here on this forum. I do not believe we will ever see a Pro gun candidate ever for governor, ever.

We will be hard pressed to see a Pro gun legislature in our lives. I will continue to fight for guns and our Right to bear arms, but I am a realist, I see NY having greater issues that we have a chance to repair

 

[Steal2B]

Okay. With the current type of voter and candidate pool, you will be fighting for a very long time. As well as a serious uphill battle. Good for you and all others. The Second Amendment is very important to so many of us here on this forum. I do not believe we will ever see a Pro gun candidate ever for governor, ever.

We will be hard pressed to see a Pro gun legislature in our lives. I will continue to fight for guns and our Right to bear arms, but I am a realist, I see NY having greater issues that we have a chance to repair

Your assessments ring true. Because of the chokehold the "let's give everyone else's money away" progressives have on New York's cities, the big government driven Assembly will not protect any individual rights that do not fully align with their mantra or twisted objectives. In many minds, the most likely or logical approach to return second ammendment rights to the abused citizens of New York is a legal approach via a Supreme Court that understands and reinforces the meaning of the words SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

 

[Marine Cpl]

When it comes to these political issues, @GOPerfect is always right. He's batting like 4 for 4 now. Not so much when it comes to the .45 ACP though but he's a political genius.

 

[Mosinitis]

Your assessments ring true. Because of the chokehold the "let's give everyone else's money away" progressives have on New York's cities, the big government driven Assembly will not protect any individual rights that do not fully align with their mantra or twisted objectives. In many minds, the most likely or logical approach to return second ammendment rights to the abused citizens of New York is a legal approach via a Supreme Court that understands and reinforces the meaning of the words SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Tying the 2nd amendment to a bunch of unpopular causes in this state is not a winning strategy. It takes two sides to have a class warfare, I don't want to carry baggage for either side.