Thorsden meets Kel-tec..FUAC compliant AR

[E the massive]

So if the stock is made as two separate pieces there is a legal difference between that and if it is molded as one and then cut? Rhetorical question; there is nothing in any law that says that makes a difference.

I also challenge anybody here to identify in any state law exactly what a thumbhole stock is (e.g hole size, what percent of the hole perimiter must be removed to keep it from being a thumbhole, etc.) and how 1) this doesn’t meet that definition and 2) Precisely what precludes it meeting that definition.

Lots of guessing and hoping. What if the gap was 1/32”? Still GTG? What if while shouldered the weight of the gun actually causes the buffer tube to gently touch the stock? Thumbhole now after all?

It's the same concept as the Thordsen. The top piece is just a cover for the buffer spring. There is no thumb hole.

 

[Blimey]

It's the same concept as the Thordsen. The top piece is just a cover for the buffer spring. There is no thumb hole.

If it was exactly the same concept as the gen 2, it would be a gen 2. It's not a gen 2, because it's not the same. There is exactly a thumbhole. That hole there is there literally, precisely, exactly for a thumb to go through, otherwise there would be no hole and it would have that silly kydex cover I've seen on some other thumbhole setups.

My questions stand, and I defy anybody to satisfactorily answer them.

1) Definition of a thumbhole stock--specific criteria, and a way to identify specifically and reliably what makes something a thumbhole stock.
2) How this is or is not a thumbhole stock; what precisely precludes it from being one
3) Any legal precedent that putting an infinitesimal gap in a thumbhole stock, splitting it from the buffer tube, re-classifies it such that it is no longer a thumbhole stock

I'm not just being argumentative. I think the Thordsen Gen 2--even before the NY police/AG commented positively on it--looked like a clever way around the law and a legitimate answer. I just don't get that from the Gen 3 and didn't the second I saw it.

 

[togmaster]

FUAC and all threads that have to discuss this BS.

 

[Robin]

Well, I think its a damn nice step up, the more I look at it the more I like it. That first Thorson was butt effing ugly, I called it Cuomo's dick. I would never use one, but I was and am thankful for innovation in the face of blatant stupidity. If the Thorsen is good to go then this one, which is sleeker and more well blended, should be too. I do the break open for my existing gun and hate it, but For a project I have in mind this winter I will be looking into this. Thanks Redtail! Ideally, it would be a left handed side charger.
Robin

 

[Edwardteach72]

The lady doth protest too much.

Is this a thumbhole stock?

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And when you say yes, as you must, do you really believe anybody buys that a 1/4” cut made lengthwise suddenly makes it not one?

Yoir blithe comment is undermined by the fact the very manufacturer of these products has put considerable effort into having the government confirm they do not run afoul of any laws (as yet no conclusion on the gen 3).

Well this still wouldn't be good here in NY seeing as if you made a cut it would no longer be a stock but a pistol grip a stock

 

[Marine Cpl]

A hole is a hole. 2 separate pieces that don't touch ain't a hole.

 

[meketrefe]

So much discussing and bickering and so little shooting done.
go shoot what you have and stop speculating about this BS.
The SAFE act is a useless piece of legislation and everyone knows that. Where I am nobody is enforcing shit because nobody understands this "Cuomo's & Friends" abomination.
If they charge someone, 99.9999% is would be a violation of the law under the previous laws (ie: thugs).
NYS scores as SAFE BS to somehow justify the headaches and extra expense in a bankrupt state, and move on.

Did you get your pistol permits renewed already?

 

[meketrefe]

A hole is a hole. 2 separate pieces that don't touch ain't a hole.

That is what she said! lol