My ancestors had to flee genocide at the hands of muslims to get here. I’ve no intention of supporting their buildup of forces within our borders.
uuum? Can Muslims be good American's....
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More scripture taken out of context. Read the whole chapter.
Does 2 Chronicles 15:13 tell Christians to kill non-believers?
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Too bad the post about "white knighting for Islam" disappeared. That looked like fun.
The crusades took place after Islam invaded most of North Africa and parts of Europe.
E the massive
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Somebody is white knighting for the muslims.
Who? Let's correct the person defending Islam together shall we! Where are they?
What are you talking about?
FrankenCub
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Every religion on the Earth can seem to get along fine, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, etc etc etc. The only exception is Islam, which is just a religious wrapper surrounding an ideology. Islam can not get along with any religion, history is too full of proof of that. Even so called moderate Muslims that I personally know of will not and can not accept our Constitution as being supreme law of the US. Like it or not, their supreme law is Islam. There's no way in hell that a mass influx in Muslims into the US will end well. It never has for any other country, you'd be foolish to think differently of here.
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You are.
Sure, christians have a pretty dark past with violence.
However, short of a very, very small number of cult like fanatics, christians are pretty docile these days....even the devout.
There are far more scriptures in the bible that call for forgiveness and pity for sinners and non believers. The Quran has nothing even close to to forgiveness....even for non believing family.
MOST Muslims hate everything about Christianity and believe any non Muslim must die.
There are 2 ways the Quran tells its believers to create a Muslim world.
The first way is to "kill the infidels"......thats self explanatory.
The second way is for more....um....moderate Muslims.
Move into the infidels lands and breed them out. They have already made a good start on this one in Europe.
Anyways, there are alot of great Arabs and Aficans and Iranian and Omanian and Syrian people who have not only assimilated but fought in our military and put up American flags in their yards.
However, NONE of those ones are devout.
However, short of a very, very small number of cult like fanatics, christians are pretty docile these days....even the devout.
There are far more scriptures in the bible that call for forgiveness and pity for sinners and non believers. The Quran has nothing even close to to forgiveness....even for non believing family.
MOST Muslims hate everything about Christianity and believe any non Muslim must die.
There are 2 ways the Quran tells its believers to create a Muslim world.
The first way is to "kill the infidels"......thats self explanatory.
The second way is for more....um....moderate Muslims.
Move into the infidels lands and breed them out. They have already made a good start on this one in Europe.
Anyways, there are alot of great Arabs and Aficans and Iranian and Omanian and Syrian people who have not only assimilated but fought in our military and put up American flags in their yards.
However, NONE of those ones are devout.
This thread really had/has nothing to do with a comparison of Muslums to Christians. It aked, can Muslums respect our Constitution. Can they fit into our way of law, order and government. If you know anything about the true teachings of islam, you would know the real answer is no. No they cannot
And if you took so much as had a cursory, objective look at the bible, not only would you see that this country was in no way founded on Christian principals, but you'd be eternally grateful it was not.
And if you then follow that through to "All Christians believe that stuff" like "All Muslims believe their stuff" then no good Christian can fit into the law and order of our government either.
And if you then follow that through to "All Christians believe that stuff" like "All Muslims believe their stuff" then no good Christian can fit into the law and order of our government either.
I sort of have an idea what is going on here. You guys are crazy for not just doing what I did.
Marine Cpl
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Even the far left or right (whatever direction it is that makes it extreme ideology) of Greek Orthodox Christians and Hasidic Jews don't come here with the mentality that you have to convert or face death. The far left or right (whatever direction it is that makes it extreme ideology) of Muslims do.
Robin
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Well, that was pretty stupid.
Robin
If context dosn't mean anything then we need to take another look at our language.
Context means a lot.
But there are often things that, mo matter the context, would be evil. And just saying "CONTEXT" as the typical cop out doesn't work. As is the case here.
BDinPutnam
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You do know that Buddhists have been on a tear in Myanmar (Burma) kicking the shit out of Muslims, yes?
GunXpatriot
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It depends. It's a difficult issue and one I've long pondered. I've read the Quran as to familiarize myself with their core beliefs. But it's not just about what any ideology says, but also about how followers interpret it, and what they believe in practice. And you will find that a shocking amount (albeit a minority) hold views that are completely against modern western society.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not particularly religious, and was raised in a sort of "fake Christian" household, where we go to church on holidays and that's about it. But my understanding is... The Bible is meant to be divine guidance, but text that is ultimately written by man. And so while the Bible and its teaching are incredibly important to any Christian, it is not meant to be taken directly as the word of God. On the other hand, remember that Muslims believe that Muhammad was given the Quran over some number of years by the angel Gabriel. This would mean that the Quran would presumably be directly from God, and in that sense, is the final word which nothing could contradict or go against. And so just a few pages in, you see a passage telling Muslims to "Find unbelievers and strike them at their necks and fingertips". But then my understanding may be flawed because I believe Gabriel spoke to other prophets as well. It's tough to say.
But that is powerful. Defying what a billion people see as the direct word of God. How can you go against or reform and moderate that? It's no wonder any serious efforts to reform, moderate and modernize Islam (like from Maajid Nawaz, a former extremist in fact) fall on deaf ears, or are totally condemned. And those who would try have bounties put on their heads and crazy shit like that... So again, when it comes to religion itself, anyone can interpret anything in any particular way and justify evil actions. But Islam seems to not only allow it, but call for it. But this is only semi-relevant. What IS relevant is how well Muslims assimilate. And you'll find that compared to other groups, they tend to fare poorly. I've known a number of Muslims and most have been good people. But some let more extreme views slip here and there. Far more than from other friends, Muslim or not. That element of extremism will exist in every ideology, but it exists disproportionately in Muslim circles... And that's no wonder, when you have a massive ideology that almost always refuses to "clean house" and police itself. If it even wants to...
Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not particularly religious, and was raised in a sort of "fake Christian" household, where we go to church on holidays and that's about it. But my understanding is... The Bible is meant to be divine guidance, but text that is ultimately written by man. And so while the Bible and its teaching are incredibly important to any Christian, it is not meant to be taken directly as the word of God. On the other hand, remember that Muslims believe that Muhammad was given the Quran over some number of years by the angel Gabriel. This would mean that the Quran would presumably be directly from God, and in that sense, is the final word which nothing could contradict or go against. And so just a few pages in, you see a passage telling Muslims to "Find unbelievers and strike them at their necks and fingertips". But then my understanding may be flawed because I believe Gabriel spoke to other prophets as well. It's tough to say.
But that is powerful. Defying what a billion people see as the direct word of God. How can you go against or reform and moderate that? It's no wonder any serious efforts to reform, moderate and modernize Islam (like from Maajid Nawaz, a former extremist in fact) fall on deaf ears, or are totally condemned. And those who would try have bounties put on their heads and crazy shit like that... So again, when it comes to religion itself, anyone can interpret anything in any particular way and justify evil actions. But Islam seems to not only allow it, but call for it. But this is only semi-relevant. What IS relevant is how well Muslims assimilate. And you'll find that compared to other groups, they tend to fare poorly. I've known a number of Muslims and most have been good people. But some let more extreme views slip here and there. Far more than from other friends, Muslim or not. That element of extremism will exist in every ideology, but it exists disproportionately in Muslim circles... And that's no wonder, when you have a massive ideology that almost always refuses to "clean house" and police itself. If it even wants to...
FrankenCub
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Yep, read about that. Sikhi are also well know to not take an ounce of shit from Muslims. They have some bad ass fighters.
BDinPutnam
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I guess my point went about 30,000' over your head but, ok.
Has Pelosi been excommunicated for her long-standing and vocal support of ABORTION ?
How about Kerry ? Andrew Cuomo ? Ted Kennedy ?
The Catholic Hierarchy may not behead anyone, but they are as hypocritical as they get.
Give us all a break, Darth.
You know damn well you have nothing to fear from any Christian, other than a refusal to bake a cake.
And you also know what a devout Muslim would do to you (and me), given a chance.
I agree with you and support you on many subjects, but not this time.
Deplorable Me
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Basically management sucks.
Curmudgeon
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I dunno, that Christian in Christchurch did a lot more than refuse to bake a cake.
Curmudgeon
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They need money to fund their diddling parties. I mean trials