New S&W Shield, 4" barrel and optics ready

[Edwardteach72]

Smith is now offering a new performance center M&P shield (so much nicer than the last new shield offering aka the "EZ")


Sporting a 4" barrel and comes with a red dot (most likely be similar to the one sig gives with ther 320s and is nothing more than a novelty that will break on you. But hopefully the offer different mounting plates for other options).


Looks like a decent offering,

FIRST LOOK: New M&P Shield From Performance Center Is Just 4 Inches

 

[Edwardteach72]

 

[Podmonkey]

I suppose this is S&W's competitor to the 43x?
Thing is though that with the extended magazine a Shield is about as tall as a G19. I'd rather just carry the G19 at that point. I specifically pack the Shield when I want to he as lo-pro as possible.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I suppose this is S&W's competitor to the 43x?
Thing is though that with the extended magazine a Shield is about as tall as a G19. I'd rather just carry the G19 at that point. I specifically pack the Shield when I want to he as lo-pro as possible.

That's with the extension though, which would then make it competition with the 48

 

[Phauxtoe]

i want this in 45ACP!

 

[MikeyCNY]

Smith is now offering a new performance center M&P shield (so much nicer than the last new shield offering aka the "EZ")


Sporting a 4" barrel and comes with a red dot (most likely be similar to the one sig gives with ther 320s and is nothing more than a novelty that will break on you. But hopefully the offer different mounting plates for other options).


Looks like a decent offering,

FIRST LOOK: New M&P Shield From Performance Center Is Just 4 Inches

I've actually heard a lot of good things about the "EZ". Really easy to rack the slide, especially for older users.

Interesting idea about a 4" Shield with optic.. as Podmonkey stated I would think you'd just go with a slightly larger M&P Compact or G19..

Looking through the article real quick, it doesn't say who makes the Optic. Crimson Trace? There is a smaller Optic called a "Shield", thought it would be neat to put a Shield on a Shield. Then maybe have a shield carved into the frame. (in the logo of Marvel's SHIELD agency, to continue the recursive theme)

 

[Podmonkey]

The EZ is intended as kind of a newbie gun, or for those that have difficulty in tracking the slides of other guns. The Walther CCP fills a similar niche.

 

[71velle]

If the upped the capacity even 1 round in both the 7 and 8 round mags it would be much more attractive. If mag guts can do it smith could do it better.

 

[nortatoga]

I've actually heard a lot of good things about the "EZ". Really easy to rack the slide, especially for older users.

Interesting idea about a 4" Shield with optic.. as Podmonkey stated I would think you'd just go with a slightly larger M&P Compact or G19..

Looking through the article real quick, it doesn't say who makes the Optic. Crimson Trace? There is a smaller Optic called a "Shield", thought it would be neat to put a Shield on a Shield. Then maybe have a shield carved into the frame. (in the logo of Marvel's SHIELD agency, to continue the recursive theme)

S&W was bought Crimson Trace a few years back I believe.

 

[Acer-m14]

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10mm and 40SW

 

[Podmonkey]

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Smith & Wesson Model 610 Reintroduced for Spring 2019
10mm and 40SW

Great S&W, no just give me an automatic in 10mm.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Great S&W, no just give me an automatic in 10mm.

The market really does need more semi auto options for 10mm other than pretty much the glocks and 1911

 

[Podmonkey]

The market really does need more semi auto options for 10mm other than pretty much the glocks and 1911

That's the same thing as saying the market doesn't need any 9mm other than Glocks and 1911s.
I would like a double stack 10mm that doesn't feel like I am holding a support pillar of a parking garage. I think a 10mm M&P has the potential to be that gun.

 

[Edwardteach72]

That's the same thing as saying the market doesn't need any 9mm other than Glocks and 1911s.
I would like a double stack 10mm that doesn't feel like I am holding a support pillar of a parking garage. I think a 10mm M&P has the potential to be that gun.

Reread what I wrote maybe?

 

[Podmonkey]

Reread what I wrote maybe?

...........Oh. you said does need. I read does not need for some reason.
Yes. Wholeheartedly agree with you on that point sir.
I had a G20 once, I can tolerate the blockiness of the 9mm frame but not so much Glocks large frame. However I had a Gen 3 non SF version.
Maybe the slimmed down SF/Gen 4+ frames make a difference?

 

[71velle]

That's the same thing as saying the market doesn't need any 9mm other than Glocks and 1911s.
I would like a double stack 10mm that doesn't feel like I am holding a support pillar of a parking garage. I think a 10mm M&P has the potential to be that gun.

Yes!!! A 10mm in a g19 size, could be a 10 round pistol all day long!!

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yes!!! A 10mm in a g19 size, could be a 10 round pistol all day long!!

Can't you do that with a .45 ACP Glock?

 

[Podmonkey]

Yes!!! A 10mm in a g19 size, could be a 10 round pistol all day long!!

I am talking about the grip circumference not the length I want a full size 10mm. I want the maximum capacity, maximum firepower in a 10mm. Compact concealed carry? That's what 9mm is for.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Can't you do that with a .45 ACP Glock?

.45acp only comes in full size and competition size and "sub compact"

The closest .45 to a g19 would be the .45gap and that's fucking stupid

 

[Marine Cpl]

I am talking about the grip circumference not the length I want a full size 10mm. I want the maximum capacity, maximum firepower in a 10mm. Compact concealed carry? That's what 9mm is for.

Glock 29. Best of both worlds. Same size as a Glock 26 with a 10-round magazine. Can accept a 15-round magazine with a sleeve to be the same size as a Glock 19.

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[Podmonkey]

Glock 29. Best of both worlds. Same size as a Glock 26 with a 10-round magazine. Can accept a 15-round magazine with a sleeve to be the same size as a Glock 19.

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I wouldn't be concealing a 10mm so I'd rather have a full size 20. I'd really rather have something like a G20 but with a more ergonomic grip.
To clarify, I don't need a 10mm for self defense. 9mm is just fine for that. I want a 10mm for shits and giggles while hammering down steel silhouettes. There are any number of fine single stack guns that do this but I am a capacity whore so a double stack, with even a slightly more svelte grip than a G20, would be just super.

 

[71velle]

I am talking about the grip circumference not the length I want a full size 10mm. I want the maximum capacity, maximum firepower in a 10mm. Compact concealed carry? That's what 9mm is for.

I was talking circumference too. My thought was a pistol with a mag that was not as thick, more of a stagger stack than a double stack. Same could be done in a G17 size too.

 

[71velle]

Can't you do that with a .45 ACP Glock?

Sure, maybe it would hold 1 less round than a 10mm.

 

[Podmonkey]

I was talking circumference too. My thought was a pistol with a mag that was not as thick, more of a stagger stack than a double stack. Same could be done in a G17 size too.

Well, to me at least there is a significant difference in grip size between large and small size Glock frames. For me the the small size frame is already marginal so..........

 

[Edwardteach72]

I wouldn't be concealing a 10mm so I'd rather have a full size 20. I'd really rather have something like a G20 but with a more ergonomic grip.
To clarify, I don't need a 10mm for self defense. 9mm is just fine for that. I want a 10mm for shits and giggles while hammering down steel silhouettes. There are any number of fine single stack guns that do this but I am a capacity whore so a double stack, with even a slightly more svelte grip than a G20, would be just super.

If you want capacity, rock island Armory has a 1911 in 10mm that is like 17 or 18 +1

 

[Podmonkey]

If you want capacity, rock island Armory has a 1911 in 10mm that is like 17 or 18 +1

Really?......Hmnnn.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Really?......Hmnnn.

Yea man they have the top tier one as a 6" and well it's not inexpensive but it's got all the bells and whistles (even for a 1911 style gun I'd love this thing)

PRO Match Ultra 6" HC - 10mm | Armscor International, Inc

They also have a 5" version that is 16+1 of 10mm also pretty dolled up

ROCK Ultra FS HC - 10mm | Armscor International, Inc

 

[ECU Pirates]

If you want capacity, rock island Armory has a 1911 in 10mm that is like 17 or 18 +1

Yeah and it’s like a brick. Worse than the 20 he didn’t like.

 

[Podmonkey]

Yea man they have the top tier one as a 6" and well it's not inexpensive but it's got all the bells and whistles (even for a 1911 style gun I'd love this thing)

PRO Match Ultra 6" HC - 10mm | Armscor International, Inc

They also have a 5" version that is 16+1 of 10mm also pretty dolled up

ROCK Ultra FS HC - 10mm | Armscor International, Inc

Yeah and it’s like a brick. Worse than the 20 he didn’t like.

Yeah, Dan Wesson also offers a double stack 10mm in their Titan model.......... at $3,000.........
If a double stack 10mm 1911 is just as big a brick as a G20 I would probably just give a Gen 4 G20 a feel, see if it's much better than a Non SF Gen 3 version.

Getting slightly back on topic, I still really wish S&W would do an M&P in 10mm.
If there is a .45 Shield, why not a 10mm too?
Personally I want a full size version but a 10mm Shield would surely generate some buzz.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Yeah, Dan Wesson also offers a double stack 10mm in their Titan model.......... at $3,000.........
If a double stack 10mm 1911 is just as big a brick as a G20 I would probably just give a Gen 4 G20 a feel, see if it's much better than a Non SF Gen 3 version.

Getting slightly back on topic, I still really wish S&W would do an M&P in 10mm.
If there is a .45 Shield, why not a 10mm too?
Personally I want a full size version but a 10mm Shield would surely generate some buzz.

Hell even that company in Croatia is making a competition size 10mm version and then Springfield is importing them.

Not sure why SW isnt jumping on it as well.

And looks like the G20Sf is 1.34 inches (width)
The G20 Gen 4 is also 1.34 inches (width)

And the RIA 1911s are
1.313 inches (width on the 5")
And
1.41 inches (width on the 6" ultra match)

But that may be measuring at the safeties idk, some people measure the size of the gun at the widest parts