livingston
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Why isn't Jill Stein "protecting the integrity of the vote" in MN, NV or NH? She won those states with less votes than being contested in MI, PA and WI, also NV.
Jill Stein demands recount in 3 states
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livingston
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Stein’s Recount May Prevent WI, PA, MI Votes From Being Counted by Electoral College
Jill Stein is asking for recounts in an effort to nullify the electoral votes of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
Federal law says that presidential recounts must be completed within 35 days after an election. Stein waited until 90 minutes before the Wisconsin deadline for filing a recount petition expired.
All the votes have to be certified by December 13 according to a report on Friday. The electors meet on December 19.
Wisconsin will almost certainly miss that deadline, since the last recount took more than a month. And that recount was for a state Supreme Court contest where only 1.5 million votes were cast.
If Wisconsin misses the December 19 deadline, the electoral votes may not be counted.
Stein is going to ask for a hand recount, which will slow the process even further.
If Wisconsin’s electoral votes are excluded on December 19, the state will then have to try and get Congress to include the votes in the January 6 count.
Stein's Recount May Prevent WI, PA, MI Votes From Being Counted by Electoral College
Jill Stein is asking for recounts in an effort to nullify the electoral votes of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
Federal law says that presidential recounts must be completed within 35 days after an election. Stein waited until 90 minutes before the Wisconsin deadline for filing a recount petition expired.
All the votes have to be certified by December 13 according to a report on Friday. The electors meet on December 19.
Wisconsin will almost certainly miss that deadline, since the last recount took more than a month. And that recount was for a state Supreme Court contest where only 1.5 million votes were cast.
If Wisconsin misses the December 19 deadline, the electoral votes may not be counted.
Stein is going to ask for a hand recount, which will slow the process even further.
If Wisconsin’s electoral votes are excluded on December 19, the state will then have to try and get Congress to include the votes in the January 6 count.
Stein's Recount May Prevent WI, PA, MI Votes From Being Counted by Electoral College
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I threw up in my mouth a little.
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
FTFY
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
True.
Arjuna
.338 Win Mag
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Oh I'm sure Castro's own people would staunchly disagree.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Let them try to change the result now.
There are a lot of people who were thinking the election was rigged before. If they try to reverse it now, I predict a lot of violence, the leftists will not come on top.
I doubt they will be successful, but if they are, it'll be a very "interesting time".
There are a lot of people who were thinking the election was rigged before. If they try to reverse it now, I predict a lot of violence, the leftists will not come on top.
I doubt they will be successful, but if they are, it'll be a very "interesting time".
The whole situation presents the perfect opportunity for President Trump to declare that we need to restore confidence to the electoral system in the USA. How?
Well, get Congress to pass a law that he signs that:
1. Mandates that government issued photo ID (THAT PROVES US CITIZENSHIP) such as the enhanced driver's license or non driver ID be required to vote in EVERY ELECTION,- Federal, State, and local,
AND
That the ID be provided to those who cannot afford to pay free of charge when they provide proof of their inability to pay, of course.
2. Mandate the use of paper ballots traceable to the specific voter in the event a vote recount is demanded. So, for example, it can be proved that ballot #XXX was issued to voter XYZ. (This is already done here in NY state.) Allow optical scanning of said paper ballots, with the ballots retained for 30 days after the election results are certified.
3. Disallow early voting. Only allow in person voting to be done on Election Day, AND to further prevent fraud, require each person voting to dip their finger in ink that could not be removed except after 24 hours (remember Iraq?) to further prevent people from repeatedly voting.
4. Make the penalty for voter fraud a mandatory 10 years in prison.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The Democrats are going scorched Earth. If they cannot win, they want to de-legitimize the Trump administration from the very start.
This answers your question:
Blog: The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts
November 27, 2016
The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts
By Richard Baehr
The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that is the purpose.
The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.
Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time this happened since 1824, but in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.
If this goes to the US House and Senate, and the result is the same as result from the Electoral College without the recounts, why do it? The answer is to make Trump seem even more illegitimate, that he did not win the popular vote (he lost by over 2.1 million), he did not win the Electoral College (did not reach 270), and was elected by being inserted into the presidency by members of his own party in Congress.
Update:
If a state never gets to name electors, the number needed to win goes down; a majority of those named is enough. Even with 260-232, Trump should win unless there were lots of faithless electors. Now had the Democrats or Green Party also challenged Florida with 29 Electoral College votes, then it could have been 232-231 for Clinton.
However, Florida's vote total is final and certified (and maybe Electors already picked).
The House and Senate get involved only when no candidate wins a majority of electors selected and voting, which can happen when 3 or more candidates win electoral votes, or there is a tie among 2 because some states did not submit or had faithless electors.
If someone has a majority of electoral votes submitted, the Senate and House open the tally and merely name the winner. Clearly this process is now subject to recount mischief in the future, now that Jill Stein and Clinton campaign have in essence argued any close state that Trump won should be challenged.
November 27, 2016
The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts
By Richard Baehr
The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that is the purpose.
The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.
Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time this happened since 1824, but in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.
If this goes to the US House and Senate, and the result is the same as result from the Electoral College without the recounts, why do it? The answer is to make Trump seem even more illegitimate, that he did not win the popular vote (he lost by over 2.1 million), he did not win the Electoral College (did not reach 270), and was elected by being inserted into the presidency by members of his own party in Congress.
Update:
If a state never gets to name electors, the number needed to win goes down; a majority of those named is enough. Even with 260-232, Trump should win unless there were lots of faithless electors. Now had the Democrats or Green Party also challenged Florida with 29 Electoral College votes, then it could have been 232-231 for Clinton.
However, Florida's vote total is final and certified (and maybe Electors already picked).
The House and Senate get involved only when no candidate wins a majority of electors selected and voting, which can happen when 3 or more candidates win electoral votes, or there is a tie among 2 because some states did not submit or had faithless electors.
If someone has a majority of electoral votes submitted, the Senate and House open the tally and merely name the winner. Clearly this process is now subject to recount mischief in the future, now that Jill Stein and Clinton campaign have in essence argued any close state that Trump won should be challenged.
This is essentially a poll tax. It may be disguised as, "it's free!" but they would still have to take the time off of work, find transportation to go to whatever office they need to, etc. It's going to hinder people from actually voting. Why should I have to pay to have a document to vote? If you're going to go with mandatory ID, it shouldn't cost anybody anything (extra).
I'm not so sure I'm a fan of being able to trace who voted for which candidate. That could be pretty scary. Politicians (especially local ones), could make your life more difficult (zoning, permits, etc).
I'm not a huge fan of early voting, but it's impossible for some people to get to the polls on election day. I missed out on voting one year because my work sent me away for business at the last minute. People should be able to file absentee ballots as well. I'm not a fan of inking fingers. Really, if you require government ID, there's no reason for it. There have been reports in other countries of people being harassed for both voting and not voting. Really, it's nobody's business if someone else votes or doesn't vote.
I could definitely get behind this.
IMHO, she is another Soros stooge - the vile old scumbag has his fingers in everything. If the left wants a "revolution", which many of them have said, they are on a path where there are few off-ramps to a peaceful tranfer of power.
I loath ANY leftist (fascist, statist, communist, any label you choose) and am heartily sick of their bitching, moaning and kvetch-ing. They thought they had this election bagged because they pulled out all the stops - multiple false flag lies about Trump, MSM on a leash, illegal aliens and the dead voting multiple times, compliant Farcebook and Twatter, massive repetition of lies about everything, an American public they thought was completely clueless and uninvolved. They were wrong and got ass-raped.
Fuck'em - I'm sick of whining leftist scumsuckers. Bring it scumbags, please!!!! Rant over\\
Anyway - another theory of why Stein is trying to sandbag the election:
Is This The Democrats' Real Strategy In Launching Recounts? | Zero Hedge
I loath ANY leftist (fascist, statist, communist, any label you choose) and am heartily sick of their bitching, moaning and kvetch-ing. They thought they had this election bagged because they pulled out all the stops - multiple false flag lies about Trump, MSM on a leash, illegal aliens and the dead voting multiple times, compliant Farcebook and Twatter, massive repetition of lies about everything, an American public they thought was completely clueless and uninvolved. They were wrong and got ass-raped.
Fuck'em - I'm sick of whining leftist scumsuckers. Bring it scumbags, please!!!! Rant over\\
Anyway - another theory of why Stein is trying to sandbag the election:
Is This The Democrats' Real Strategy In Launching Recounts? | Zero Hedge
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Magnus
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This is becoming increasingly disturbing at what is going on.
If it is available for free, it is not a poll tax. And government offices that provide ID's can be opened on extra hours in the evening or on a weekend day, so I don't agree that is an issue. Also, it is amazing that the very same people who decry, piss, and moan about having to provide ID to vote, will nevertheless go out and get that ID without complaint because they need it to buy alcohol, enter a building, cash a check, to drive, or for a wide range of other everyday activities.
I can understand your concern, but the fact is, that it is already being done here. When I vote in my district in Erie County, I sign in, and then I am given a numbered paper ballot, and my ballot number is logged as having been given to me. I then scan it in, and the paper ballot is NOT destroyed. So, yes, - a paper trail of who and what I voted for now exists.
I too have missed a couple of votes in the last 40+ years due to having been called out of town at the last minute for work. Now, if there is even a remote chance of that happening, I request an absentee ballot.
ArmedCorgi
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I agree. I'm starting to really worry this will get very nasty. The citizenry cannot let this fly.
You said if people can't afford it, one would be provided. If I make $50k a year but have no drivers license or passport, I'd be required to pay for an ID (under your idea), right? How is that not a poll tax? I'm perfectly fine with mandating that people have IDs to vote. However, people shouldn't have to pay for that ID, no matter how much money they make. And, those IDs should be very easy to obtain.
It's done the same way where I vote in Monroe County, and I still don't like it.
I was just going off your statement, "Only allow in person voting to be done on Election Day." Absentee ballots should be allowed. Early voting (like done in some states) shouldn't be.
And if Hitlery had won, even with Trump taking the pop vote, which many predicted, would this shit be happening? - would we be rioting, burning, bitching and donating millions to get unfounded recounts?
I doubt it. But the left seems bent on pushing and pushing to get their way, like a poorly disciplined toddler. "We" (the royal we) have never pushed back as hard as either could be done, or as hard as many want. Everyone has a point at which their patience is expended - IMHO, the leftist scum want to take it to the streets, rather than the ballot box. My patience is almost gone, and every time I think - "Well, now that's settled." - it isn't. The strangeness of what is happening now is intentional I believe.
The leftist/globalist cabal wants the US to look like Weimar Germany in the '20s - street battles between the different viewpoints. It will just keep getting weirderer and weirderer until something snaps.
And there's always this fact - Obola is POTUS until someone different is sworn in on 20 JAN 17 - the endgame may be to keep Obola, or seat Hitlery, either one fits the agenda, and "they" don't care what methods they use to get it. And that just strengthens my believe that Trump scares the shit out of them.
The last gasp of the leftist/globalist cabal may be scary and dangerous indeed.
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Marine Cpl
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Correct me if I'm wrong.
Wisconsin has 10 electoral votes. Pennsylvania has 20. Michigan has 16.
If she gets Wisconsin and Michigan, that makes her total at 258. She'd have to change over 10,000 votes in Michigan and over 22,000 votes in Wisconsin and she'll still be short of 270.
She needs PA and for that to happen, over 60,000 votes have to change. That ain't happening.
The very best that could happen is the votes for the 3 states are delayed in which Congress has to vote on whether or not to include them. Even if all 3 states votes aren't included, he will still have more electoral votes then her and still win because then Congress has to vote on who is the winner based on who has more.
Wisconsin has 10 electoral votes. Pennsylvania has 20. Michigan has 16.
If she gets Wisconsin and Michigan, that makes her total at 258. She'd have to change over 10,000 votes in Michigan and over 22,000 votes in Wisconsin and she'll still be short of 270.
She needs PA and for that to happen, over 60,000 votes have to change. That ain't happening.
The very best that could happen is the votes for the 3 states are delayed in which Congress has to vote on whether or not to include them. Even if all 3 states votes aren't included, he will still have more electoral votes then her and still win because then Congress has to vote on who is the winner based on who has more.
They are just trying to delay the process long enough where the electoral votes can't be used when they make formal selection. Without 274 it would go to Congress to select.
They are trying to undermine and de-legitimize him before he takes office
pjzwtl
.308 Win
She missed the PA deadline and is now suing then state, Wisconsin denied her request to hand count they will be re-run through the optical reader to make sure they are done by 12-18. They can go pound salt. They can try to delegitimize Trump all they want only Trump can do that. And Clinton isn't as bright as I thought her to be. Really? your going to poke the guy in the eye who can sick the prosecutorial dogs after you com Jan?
I don't get the issue anyone has with voter ID? Hell make it a free ID you get when you register to vote (In person with proper documentation) If you cant prove who you are you don't vote. Then treat voter fraud like treason it is that serious.
I don't get the issue anyone has with voter ID? Hell make it a free ID you get when you register to vote (In person with proper documentation) If you cant prove who you are you don't vote. Then treat voter fraud like treason it is that serious.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Equating an ID as a poll tax is nonsense in my opinion. An ID that identifies who you are is not a tax. It is a identifier. Nothing more.
Under that logic, if they do not come to your home for you to cast your vote, the gas, vehicle, or bike required to get to the poll site is a tax. The food required for you to be alive to vote is a poll tax. The clothes required to vote is a poll tax.
You have to be who you say you are to vote. An ID is just a tool to do so.
Under that logic, if they do not come to your home for you to cast your vote, the gas, vehicle, or bike required to get to the poll site is a tax. The food required for you to be alive to vote is a poll tax. The clothes required to vote is a poll tax.
You have to be who you say you are to vote. An ID is just a tool to do so.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Hill' and Jill went up the hill,
to fetch a bucket of votes,
Hill went down,
and Jill let her.
Robin Keats
to fetch a bucket of votes,
Hill went down,
and Jill let her.
Robin Keats
spat
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I had another thought about Stein's motivation.
Maybe she knows she can't change the outcome of the election, maybe she would rather see a larger margin for trump. Right now if everyone who voted for her (Stein) had voted for Hillary in those swing states, Hillary would have won. That has to leave a bad taste in her mouth, even if a large number of the people who voted for Stein think Hillary is a crook and would have never voted for her.
Maybe she knows she can't change the outcome of the election, maybe she would rather see a larger margin for trump. Right now if everyone who voted for her (Stein) had voted for Hillary in those swing states, Hillary would have won. That has to leave a bad taste in her mouth, even if a large number of the people who voted for Stein think Hillary is a crook and would have never voted for her.
ArmedCorgi
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Something doesn't sit right though. Trump already won, so what is the point to possibly showing his margin was even bigger? I honestly feel like this is a stall/sabotage effort. Make it so that these three states miss the electoral deadline and it has to go to congress, where Trump has a lot of enemies. Stein might be third party, but she's part of the party.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I'm not sure I can agree with that. The Republicans wanting him to lose the election was one thing. But to give it to her even if he has more electoral votes no matter what will be suicide and a sure end to their power.