Anyone hear of fusion firearms?

[Saltwater60]

My FIL years ago had this guy work up a pistol for him and he was floored with it. Now he opened his own shop. Prices do t seem to bad for what the guns are? Looking for any personal experience. I’ve always wanted a nice 1911.
1911 Parts & Pistols | Fusion Firearms

 

[thegatman]

They did some work for me on a 1911. Added adjustable rear sight

 

[Calculon]

Would love to build a 1911.

 

[Saltwater60]

Would love to build a 1911.

I thought about that too. Seemed like it would be a cool project. Not sure it’s worth it for the cash you save. No grips and $100 off.

 

[Acer-m14]

making your own 1911 would be a good workout for the hands and arms fitting the slide to the frame ..

 

[HEX]

Would love to build a 1911.

I thought about that too. Seemed like it would be a cool project. Not sure it’s worth it for the cash you save. No grips and $100 off.

I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from trying it really, but it's a huge mistake if you're someone who's built a few ARs or Glock builds and think you can build a gun. ARs are basically legos and Glock builds are basically drop in parts with maybe a tiny bit of fitting..rarely. Versus 1911 builds though, at least if you want to have one with anywhere near flawless function (and if you want a really nice trigger..whoo boy that's a specialty in itself).. it's like throwing the ball around with dad v.s. college ball (in this weird analogy Pro ball would specialized professional 1911 gunsmiths). Building a 1911 generally requires special equipment (jigs for sear/hammer engagement, fitting files and stones and compounds) and basically hand fitting for every important part (which is all of them). You've got to fit and lap the slide to the frame, the barrel to the slide, sear fit, hammer fit, disconnect fit, grip safety fit, frame safety fit.. the list goes on and then you've got tuning of a dozen or more things. It's going to be a labor of love and you won't save anything (you'll probably spend a LOT more unless you already have every tool). You shouldn't even be thinking about it if you haven't taken apart a 1911 down to it's bare frame many times and carefully inspected exactly how and why everything fits and works.

That said, yes you can buy the pre-built kits where everything is made to the same fit and will be ..eh.. somewhat.. drop in, but don't think you're not still going to have to do some fitting and you'll wind up with a loose crap spec gun that won't be worth anywhere near what you put into it.

I know I'm making a nightmare scenario out of this, buut.. well, just remember that there are trained gunsmiths who specialize in making quality 1911s run right (as well as trained generalized gunsmiths who couldn't do it easily); while a minimally trained monkey could probably put together an AR.

 

[Podmonkey]

I have heard about Fusion a little bit and I have perused their site in the past. I get the impression they are one of these small, outsized bang for the buck, "best kept secret" kinda shops. But I don't know much about them. I did search the various forums about em some time ago. The handful of times Fusion was mentioned the same comments were all positive.

 

[Acer-m14]

like i said above just lapping the slide to the frame .. its a work out and time spent .. .. the underground guns 1911 .. the hand labor they put into it .. all hand done ..
if your labor is free .. do it and learn .. have fun ..

 

[Saltwater60]

So sounds like I’d pay the extra $60 to have it all done for me then. I know it’s $100 more, but by the time you buy grips it’s more like $60.

Anyway I’m just toying around the idea of getting one. I probably wouldn’t get one until fall/winter at the earliest anyway.

 

[Mk44]

Cool project? yes. very rewarding if it's done right.
Their kits say may require some fitting or tuning.
imo, 1911's are precision made (own a few). if it's off a little bit.. it will drive you batty.

 

[repete]

Cool project? yes. very rewarding if it's done right.
Their kits say may require some fitting or tuning.
imo, 1911's are precision made (own a few). if it's off a little bit.. it will drive you batty.

Oh yeah! I just replaced a slide and barrel, they went together ok but where anything but smooth I spent some time with a couple of stones and it's now almost acceptable. Almost!

 

[SomeSoldier]

If you are going to pay that much for a 1911, take a look at STI.

 

[Saltwater60]

If you are going to pay that much for a 1911, take a look at STI.

I have and I like them a lot.

 

[dsdmmat]

making your own 1911 would be a good workout for the hands and arms fitting the slide to the frame ..

I have spent a couple of hours lapping a barrel to a frame before. Usually takes about 2 hours till it is smooth as glass. The toughest one took me 3 and a half to go from not wanting to go on the frame rails to sliding on a sheet ice.

 

[dsdmmat]

I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from trying it really, but it's a huge mistake if you're someone who's built a few ARs or Glock builds and think you can build a gun. ARs are basically legos and Glock builds are basically drop in parts with maybe a tiny bit of fitting..rarely. Versus 1911 builds though, at least if you want to have one with anywhere near flawless function (and if you want a really nice trigger..whoo boy that's a specialty in itself).. it's like throwing the ball around with dad v.s. college ball (in this weird analogy Pro ball would specialized professional 1911 gunsmiths). Building a 1911 generally requires special equipment (jigs for sear/hammer engagement, fitting files and stones and compounds) and basically hand fitting for every important part (which is all of them). You've got to fit and lap the slide to the frame, the barrel to the slide, sear fit, hammer fit, disconnect fit, grip safety fit, frame safety fit.. the list goes on and then you've got tuning of a dozen or more things. It's going to be a labor of love and you won't save anything (you'll probably spend a LOT more unless you already have every tool). You shouldn't even be thinking about it if you haven't taken apart a 1911 down to it's bare frame many times and carefully inspected exactly how and why everything fits and works.

That said, yes you can buy the pre-built kits where everything is made to the same fit and will be ..eh.. somewhat.. drop in, but don't think you're not still going to have to do some fitting and you'll wind up with a loose crap spec gun that won't be worth anywhere near what you put into it.

I know I'm making a nightmare scenario out of this, buut.. well, just remember that there are trained gunsmiths who specialize in making quality 1911s run right (as well as trained generalized gunsmiths who couldn't do it easily); while a minimally trained monkey could probably put together an AR.

Most people can’t get the barrel timing right. It is a difficult concept for some reason.

Trigger/sear geometry is not that difficult with the right tools. My latest build has a nice crisp 3.5 pound trigger.

I do have over 700 dollars in tools specifically for the 1911. It is very much cheaper to buy one than build one.