Another good guy with a gun story you won't see in the propoganda broadcasts.
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Some of the replies are great.
"In other news, 4 people stabbed to death & 2 more injured in Garden Grove California by an early release criminal gang member under Governor Jerry Brown’s AB109. California doesn’t recognize self defense as a good cause to issue concealed carry permits for law abiding citizens."
"In other news, 4 people stabbed to death & 2 more injured in Garden Grove California by an early release criminal gang member under Governor Jerry Brown’s AB109. California doesn’t recognize self defense as a good cause to issue concealed carry permits for law abiding citizens."
Doc8404
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Was just going to post this.
Nothing supports the sensationalistic titles.
Armed off-duty firefighter halts armed suspect at Walmart store in Missouri, police say
Nothing supports the sensationalistic titles.
Armed off-duty firefighter halts armed suspect at Walmart store in Missouri, police say
Doc8404
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Until his manifesto is discovered, he’s just a moron looking for attention.
Or wanted to protect himself while shopping.
Or wanted to protect himself while shopping.
I saw the story on yahoo.
There was also a guy in florida that went to the gun counter at walmart and asked what gun could kill 200 people. When interviewed by police he said he was anti gun.
Probably going to see more of this from both sides. The left doing stupid shit to have guns taken away and some on the right trying to show that not everyone with a gun is bad.
There was also a guy in florida that went to the gun counter at walmart and asked what gun could kill 200 people. When interviewed by police he said he was anti gun.
Probably going to see more of this from both sides. The left doing stupid shit to have guns taken away and some on the right trying to show that not everyone with a gun is bad.
Deplorable Me
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Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
off duty he should have kept his mouth shut on his work title .. your just one of us . a working person shopping
but well done .. kind of .. whoops pew lol
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I think he is still one of us. He doesn’t jackboot or get special gun privileges. But I see your point.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
Marine Cpl
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Yeah. The average dumbass will think that a trained firefighter is supposed to carry a gun off duty.yet ..
but you got the point
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
There's more to this story Missouri is open carry state and I read somewhere the off duty firefighter could be charged 
and yes with the shit that been going on lately open carrying a slung rifle and pistol and ammunition and video taping your self in a wally world is beyond stupid 
and yes with the shit that been going on lately open carrying a slung rifle and pistol and ammunition and video taping your self in a wally world is beyond stupid 
This guy was detained, at gun point, after he exited the store.
This was not a "mass shooter" this was one of those "2A audit" guys. This is a problem.
Waiting for off duty fire guy to be charged either unlawful detainment and menacing with a firearm. Also waiting for attention whore guy to get a lawyer sue both Walmart, off duty fire guy and the city.
BMF JK
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I whole heartedly agree with the premise , however the timing and place was no doubt a poor choice. He was lucky he wasn’t shot simply for carrying his rifle .
This man being completely within the confines of the law the firefighter did in fact illegally detain him . Shit even if there were laws against public open carry of rifles in Missouri, I would say he still illegally detained the guy .
Honestly the firefighter should at least be charged , then up to the DA to prosecute .
Is a Right, suspended in times of high visibility, still a Right?
We can say the timing of this guy's stunt sucked, but maybe that is the whole point. If you can't walk around openly carrying, in a place where that is legal, because of someone's "feelings" then you do not have a Right, you have a privilege.
However, I will wait to see what more comes out of this. On the surface it does sound like the guy wasn't planning an attack, merely being an insensitive clod.
We can say the timing of this guy's stunt sucked, but maybe that is the whole point. If you can't walk around openly carrying, in a place where that is legal, because of someone's "feelings" then you do not have a Right, you have a privilege.
However, I will wait to see what more comes out of this. On the surface it does sound like the guy wasn't planning an attack, merely being an insensitive clod.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Axe, actually.
SuffolkArms
.40 S&W
Armed man at Walmart says he was testing right to bear arms
A bit of a moron for taking this stance, he should have told the police he was 20 years old and that a rifle was the only thing he could legally purchase and carry.
A bit of a moron for taking this stance, he should have told the police he was 20 years old and that a rifle was the only thing he could legally purchase and carry.
Toecutter
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Store manager needs to be charged for pulling the fire alarm and causing mass panic. Screaming fire in a crowded theater as they like to say .
Right, appears he was an open carry doosh looking for attention. Lucky he didn't get deaded.
Marine Cpl
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No. That’s only Darth that thinks that. He ain’t average.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I would like to see how some of you would react if put in the same situation days after a mass shooting in a Walmart. The firefighter was within his rights to affect a citizen’s arrest if he believed a crime was in progress or was being attempted so that the police can sort it out.
Yes. The kid has a right to open carry. But at the same time due to the panic that he caused, the firefighter had a right to detain him as well for creating a public disturbance or if he believed that the kid was about to commit murder.
Remember the 3 idiots who decided to open carry in a police station wearing ski masks, body armor, and slung AR’s in front of them? Did the cops at that police station not have the right to detain them for questioning to see if they are a threat or not?
I know some of you will say no and that they don’t have the right to detain and question them. Would you feel the same at a church with your family and I walked in wearing Muslim garb with a front sling AK variant exercising my 2nd Amendment right and also my 1st Amendment right muttering Allahu Ackbar?
Yes. The kid has a right to open carry. But at the same time due to the panic that he caused, the firefighter had a right to detain him as well for creating a public disturbance or if he believed that the kid was about to commit murder.
Remember the 3 idiots who decided to open carry in a police station wearing ski masks, body armor, and slung AR’s in front of them? Did the cops at that police station not have the right to detain them for questioning to see if they are a threat or not?
I know some of you will say no and that they don’t have the right to detain and question them. Would you feel the same at a church with your family and I walked in wearing Muslim garb with a front sling AK variant exercising my 2nd Amendment right and also my 1st Amendment right muttering Allahu Ackbar?
BMF JK
.44 mag
In the heat of the moment what if the firefighter had a twitch of the trigger finger ?
Or better yet what if the dude with the rifle felt threatened and lit up the firefighter?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Then the firefighter and or the dude would be fucked. No different than any one of us who did the same on the street for any reason.
The audit guy was leaving the store when he was detained. He obviously was not intent on shooting up the place if he was leaving.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
How can you measure intent on the fly? What if he got spooked about that place and wanted to shoot another place where people are more closely packed together? What if he didn’t see the type of people he wanted to shoot so he was going to another place? That’s for the police to sort out.
I can logically deduce intent from the armed individual walking away from a large group of people and not having so much as unsung his weapon.
To Wit, if I come across a person with a slung or otherwise stowed long gun in public it will certainly draw my attention but I equally certain will not draw my pistol.
BMF JK
.44 mag
I was thinking about 2 scenarios today while shopping at Walmart .
1)
What if a fellow shopper discovered I was carrying due to printing or whatever ? He starts shouting at me and draws down on me , I wait for an opportunity to draw my weapon and put him down . Would I be justified ?
2) fellow shopper noticed I’m printing and makes an assumption I’m up to no good , draws on me and discharges his weapon intentionally or unintentionally , is he justified ? I’d hope not !
I’m just of the mindset as a civilian I will never draw my weapon unless absolutely necessary and need to engage an actual threat . As civilians we do not have a right to hold an individual at gun point just because we think that person is potentially gonna commit a crime .
1)
What if a fellow shopper discovered I was carrying due to printing or whatever ? He starts shouting at me and draws down on me , I wait for an opportunity to draw my weapon and put him down . Would I be justified ?
2) fellow shopper noticed I’m printing and makes an assumption I’m up to no good , draws on me and discharges his weapon intentionally or unintentionally , is he justified ? I’d hope not !
I’m just of the mindset as a civilian I will never draw my weapon unless absolutely necessary and need to engage an actual threat . As civilians we do not have a right to hold an individual at gun point just because we think that person is potentially gonna commit a crime .
I periodically encounter open carriers in the local Walmart. No ruckus is raised (could describe the ruckus?) I very occasionally open carry and no one pays me any mind.
BMF JK
.44 mag
Exactly how it should be .
Yes