Sherriff's demo of how magazine size makes very little difference
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Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Why the staggered magazine load quantities?
The only variable is the competency of the shooter in handling and inserting the magazine. The "tackle the shooter" test also assumes the tackler doesn't hesitate.
Gun grabbers will put zero stock in this test and provide any reason you can think of to warrant it false, untrue, or useless.
The only variable is the competency of the shooter in handling and inserting the magazine. The "tackle the shooter" test also assumes the tackler doesn't hesitate.
Gun grabbers will put zero stock in this test and provide any reason you can think of to warrant it false, untrue, or useless.
Believe they were all loaded the same. They were dropping mag after last round was chambered but shooting after new mag inserted to avoid having to rack slide. So for three 10 round mags: Shoot 9 reload (#10 in chamber), shoot 10 reload (#10 second mag in chamber), shoot 11. Still 10 rounds in each mag...
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
What capacity mags do his deputies carry?
ETA- I didnt watch the video, I guess I should but if there's a "tackle the shooter" scenario here I assume it's based on either being tactically aware enough to know the shooter is reloading (dubious in an unarmed adreline dump scenario) or counting shots and magically knowing the capacity of the shooter's load out (equally implausible).
Just me shooting my mouth off, I'm bored I suppose I should go watch the video and then nitpick.
ETA- I didnt watch the video, I guess I should but if there's a "tackle the shooter" scenario here I assume it's based on either being tactically aware enough to know the shooter is reloading (dubious in an unarmed adreline dump scenario) or counting shots and magically knowing the capacity of the shooter's load out (equally implausible).
Just me shooting my mouth off, I'm bored I suppose I should go watch the video and then nitpick.
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
I know a teen girl that can do a double tap and drop a mag and reload and shoot in less then a second ..
Indoor range reacts to 16 year old competition shooter's speed!
Indoor range reacts to 16 year old competition shooter's speed!
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Most cops I know have 17 round mags. So it’s ok for them but not us.
This argument is good but if it does t slow down enough to make a mass shooter tacklable then why would they see any benefit to us having higher capacity mags. Don’t get me wrong I want 30 round mags all day long but the same argument for larger capacity mag could be used against them.
This argument is good but if it does t slow down enough to make a mass shooter tacklable then why would they see any benefit to us having higher capacity mags. Don’t get me wrong I want 30 round mags all day long but the same argument for larger capacity mag could be used against them.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
6 officers fired 58 rounds to drop the shooter in Dayton. What is a civilian supposed to do when one is by ourself.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
A larger capacity magazine is always better. What if you only have one hand because the other one is occupied ? What if the 7th shot is the one that would finally put him down but instead you have to reload and in that slight pause, he shoots you? What if you fumble and drop the magazine?
If choice is between one standard capacity mag and two or more restricted mags multiple mags could be better if only for redundancy. Mags can get dropped, stepped on, bent and/or dirty causing failure to fire issues. Springs and retention plates can fail. I've personally had mags fail to seat because of mud. In those cases it would be better to have more than one. Granted more than one standard capacity mag would be better than same quantity of restricted mags lol...
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don’t think that magazine malfunction is the point of the video though. He’s trying to say that is capacity makes no difference in firepower. I say that it does during certain circumstances. When you reload, you don’t have the person in your sights.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Or when your not in a calm controlled situation when you hands are shaking like a leaf and your dexterity is shot.
You realize the point of this video was to show that magazine restrictions offer no benefit in mass shooter events and put civilians at a disadvantage, right? Some of these comments are reflexively anti-cop (as expected). The sheriff was trying to help your argument.
Read the powerpoints. In the beginning and at the end there's statements reflecting this.
Read the powerpoints. In the beginning and at the end there's statements reflecting this.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
No back-assward reading on here much!!!
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I used to like this video for what it demonstrated. But now not so much. Remember the gun grabbers don't think logically. They actually think backwards. This will be proof that you don't need anything over 10 rounds and not that it doesn't make a difference what capacity you have. Not that I care about convincing the other side but this is how I feel about the video now.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don’t think the comments are anti cop at all AB. If it was a tactical guy with a beard, the comments would have been the same. Don’t know why it was taken to that level. No one mentioned cop at all or that he was an idiot or anything disparaging the guy in the video for that for that matter. All that was said is that a higher capacity mag is preferable and reasons were giving why. That’s it.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The test is BS anyway. The guy had all the magazines on a barrel in front of him. If he was kneeling behind cover and had them concealed underneath his jacket and shirt or in a pocket, it would have been slower. Or if he wasn’t counting rounds because bullets we’re coming at him, and it went empty, he would have been slower.
That’s why there’s such a thing as a combat reload. If reloading didn’t slow you down at all, a combat reload wouldn’t exist.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Not to mention he sped up on shooting the more magazines he had to reload. He's clearly shooting much faster with the 6 rounders than the 15s. I don't think counting the rounds is an issue in this test as long as it's done in all the sets.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It’s a statement of fact. How is that anti cop?
It has nothing to do with the point of the video, so either he didn't watch it and went with what he expected the video showed or he watched it and didn't get the point. Either way, a clear example of predetermined bias effecting judgement. I'm an expert on this now since it has been trained out of me!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I think you are being too sensitive. Sort of like those black people that can make anything you say racist.