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Own a rifle? Got a scope to go with it? The government might soon know who you are, where you live and how to reach you.

That’s because Apple and Google have been ordered by the U.S. government to hand over names, phone numbers and other identifying data of at least 10,000 users of a single gun scope app, Forbes has discovered. It’s an unprecedented move: Never before has a case been disclosed in which American investigators demanded personal data of users of a single app from Apple and Google. And never has an order been made public where the feds have asked the Silicon Valley giants for info on so many thousands of people in one go.

According to a court order filed by the Department of Justice (DOJ) on September 5, investigators want information on users of Obsidian 4, a tool used to control rifle scopes made by night-vision specialist American Technologies Network Corp. The app allows gun owners to get a live stream, take video and calibrate their gun scope from an Android or iPhone device. According to the Google Play page for Obsidian 4, it has more than 10,000 downloads. Apple doesn’t provide download numbers, so it’s unclear how many iPhone owners have been swept up in this latest government data grab.
Exclusive: Feds Order Apple And Google To Hand Over Names Of 10,000+ Users Of A Gun Scope App
 
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livingston said:
Own a rifle? Got a scope to go with it? The government might soon know who you are, where you live and how to reach you.

That’s because Apple and Google have been ordered by the U.S. government to hand over names, phone numbers and other identifying data of at least 10,000 users of a single gun scope app, Forbes has discovered. It’s an unprecedented move: Never before has a case been disclosed in which American investigators demanded personal data of users of a single app from Apple and Google. And never has an order been made public where the feds have asked the Silicon Valley giants for info on so many thousands of people in one go.

According to a court order filed by the Department of Justice (DOJ) on September 5, investigators want information on users of Obsidian 4, a tool used to control rifle scopes made by night-vision specialist American Technologies Network Corp. The app allows gun owners to get a live stream, take video and calibrate their gun scope from an Android or iPhone device. According to the Google Play page for Obsidian 4, it has more than 10,000 downloads. Apple doesn’t provide download numbers, so it’s unclear how many iPhone owners have been swept up in this latest government data grab.
Exclusive: Feds Order Apple And Google To Hand Over Names Of 10,000+ Users Of A Gun Scope App
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UNFUCKING believable this shit is getting out of hand :idk:
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
I know you guys are sick of hearing it, I'm becoming a broken record, but by my acknowledgement of that fact it's even more important to remind everyone.

We are actually beginning to live with big brother watching us. We are becoming dangerously close to living under a techno-dictatorship.
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I’m telling you my wife’s phone combined with Facebook listens to her speaking and suggests things in her browser that she and I have never searched for.
A few weeks ago she showed me her Facebook feed and said hey weren’t we just talking about this? I didn’t search it did you? This has happened a few times over the last year or so.
Cabelas offered me a birthday discount even though I’ve never given them my birthday officially. I’ve given it while buying ammo and paid with a debit card. Those two must be communicating. It’s worse than we all know.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
I’m telling you my wife’s phone combined with Facebook listens to her speaking and suggests things in her browser that she and I have never searched for.
A few weeks ago she showed me her Facebook feed and said hey weren’t we just talking about this? I didn’t search it did you? This has happened a few times over the last year or so.
Cabelas offered me a birthday discount even though I’ve never given them my birthday officially. I’ve given it while buying ammo and paid with a debit card. Those two must be communicating. It’s worse than we all know.
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You have to learn to lie and bullshit with a straight face, keep the NSA and listeners guessing.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
I’m telling you my wife’s phone combined with Facebook listens to her speaking and suggests things in her browser that she and I have never searched for.
A few weeks ago she showed me her Facebook feed and said hey weren’t we just talking about this? I didn’t search it did you? This has happened a few times over the last year or so.
Cabelas offered me a birthday discount even though I’ve never given them my birthday officially. I’ve given it while buying ammo and paid with a debit card. Those two must be communicating. It’s worse than we all know.
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There are YouTube videos about this.
 
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It's only going to get worse, the rate that technology is accelerating is it a blinding pace. Most of us that are in our 40s and 50s will not recognize the world we're living in in 10 or 15 more years.
 
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Deplorable Me said:
You have to learn to lie and bullshit with a straight face, keep the NSA and listeners guessing.
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I've spent 20 years working side by side with lawyers, I'm good.

:evil:

What I'm not clear on is why they cant seek out strictly location data (only) and then focus in on obvious violations i.e. location data points to a non-US location, seek a specific subpoena for that owner's PII. That should be what the court comes back with.
 
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I'm torn between avoiding everything or downloading the app to give them one more dead end to have to track down.
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Wow, I thought that very thing.
If we get another 10k+ to download the app, regardless if they have the scope or not, the chaff could make it difficult to find whatever they are searching for.

Then again, it could also give them an excuse to come into our homes searching for who-knows-what and checking out everything else as well.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
I’m telling you my wife’s phone combined with Facebook listens to her speaking and suggests things in her browser that she and I have never searched for.
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I don't have kids.
I have never felt the need to search for dolls.

My friend was discussing the difficulties he was facing trying to find a specific doll for his niece.

That night I found this on my facebook feed:
 

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We're probably only 1 or 2 more election cycles away from big tech having perfected how to stealthily manipulate and sway elections without people realizing.

1984 Big brother is going to come true. The foundation is already there.

There's nothing paranoid about it. It's completely factual and accurate.
 
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BDinPutnam said:
I've spent 20 years working side by side with lawyers, I'm good.

:evil:

What I'm not clear on is why they cant seek out strictly location data (only) and then focus in on obvious violations i.e. location data points to a non-US location, seek a specific subpoena for that owner's PII. That should be what the court comes back with.
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This would impact anyone, anywhere, within miles of schools, malls, restaurants, movie theaters, .gov buildings, residential areas, etc. This (location data) is what they are after, as well as video feed for evidence, I'm pretty sure. They are not looking for a couple scopes sent outside CONUS in violation of ITAR. If you pointed a scope into the woods in your back yard, and there was a school 170,000 yards in that direction you are TOTALLY... well, you know.


If this story went public, I am more concerned about the info we don't know they already have. Google, Alphabet, FB are keeping your info secure? OK.
I live in Sullivan Colony, and the other day there was a story about a teenager that made a threat against a hospital. Shortly after, troopers located the teen in a car in the Montighetto walmart parking lot. I'm confidant he did not post on FB he was there buying short barrel rifle ammo on his way to the hospital.
If somebody is interested, and you have a cell phone, they know where you are, and what you are doing, PERIOD.
Teen in police custody after possible threat against Sullivan hospital
 
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