Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
As we should be.
No one forces people to become cops, its voluntary. If youre not able to handle being a cop where private citizens have THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS then dont fucking become a cop.
Woman shot in her Texas home
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No one forces people to become cops, its voluntary. If youre not able to handle being a cop where private citizens have THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS then dont fucking become a cop.
Toecutter
.308 Win
This will probably be an unpopular opinion and I dont know all the facts, such as tge type of firearm . This could be a combination of a nervous untrained cop paired with a striker fired pistol. Yes i know all the safety protocols but without proper training a striker fired pistol can be dangerous.
As usual, wrong on nearly everything you typed.
Law enforcement is absolutely NOT out gunned, yeah, there are more people than cops. But the weapons arsenal of the Police is grand.
I do not know many officers that fear for their lives when doing health and welfare checks. Happens all of the time in the US. Everyday and every night these health/welfare checks are being done; fear is not in the air.
As for the murder charge, i am sure I am right when I assume that you did not look up Texas Murder....
Sec. 19.01. TYPES OF CRIMINAL HOMICIDE. (a) A person commits criminal homicide if he intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence causes the death of an individual.
(b) Criminal homicide is murder, capital murder, manslaughter, or criminally negligent homicide.
Yeah, his actions fit. Should be and has been charged with murder.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I disagree because any gun where you pull the trigger, the round will go off. If it was hammer fired, the same would have happened unless you pointed it with safety on and nobody does that unless they have no training.
Toecutter
.308 Win
My point is a stiker fired pistol trigger is short and lighter then a da/sa.
I can't speak for every cop but I know alot of them ,some are gun people like us the enjoy training . Most get trained in the academy and shoot 50 or so rounds a year to qualify maybe a few days of shoot /no shoot. Otger tgen that they unhokster tgier guns to take a shit.
I can't imagine cop guy did this on purpose , we haven't heard his side . Im not saying he shouldn't be charged , he fucked up , id just like to know why and see steps taken to not see this happen again.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
All that is moot if you do not have your finger on the trigger until ready to fire. A 5.5 pound striker fired trigger is not light anyways. You still need a deliberate pull. It isn’t a hair trigger.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
What is the trigger weight on an NYPD SIG vs an NYPD Glock?
Just curious...
Just curious...
My guess of why he fucked up? Simple, he was scared, did not take his training in a serious manner and the training that he did receive, he did not use that training.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
So you are suggesting that he fired accidentally ?
I suppose it's possible, but it seems unlikely. He certainly pointed the gun at her on purpose though, and where I come from you don't do that unless you want to shoot the thing you're pointing at.
I don't think anyone is ascribing anything to this guy but incompetence. I haven't heard anyone accuse him of malice, or anything. So, even if he fired accidentally it just changes the flavor of his incompetence a little, it doesn't diminish it.
So, which would you have running around, cops so afraid of their shadow that they fire at the people they are sent to protect, or cops who's gun handling skills are so poor that they accidentally fire at the people they were sent to protect ?
I'm not sure which of those is worse.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
I dont know anything of the Sigs but I had NYPD G19 and the trigger was horrible. I dont remember what it weighed but it was more than 5.5 pounds. Thankfully it's an easy fix.
Toecutter
.308 Win
I believe the nypd2 trigger is 12 lbs.
I dont know the answer , is it financially posssible to put officers through monthly firearms training?
This guy was either nervous or put his finger on the trigger and had a ND. Possibly both.Maybe tge woman did have something in her hand .idk I get training is the answer but how?
I dont know the answer , is it financially posssible to put officers through monthly firearms training?
This guy was either nervous or put his finger on the trigger and had a ND. Possibly both.Maybe tge woman did have something in her hand .idk I get training is the answer but how?
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
I dont know why but I saved those NYPD trigger parts, maybe as a reminder of how shitty it was lol. I was quite spoiled to nice triggers on my target guns so when I got the G19 I couldn't hit shit with it. A Glock armorer I know knew what the problem was without me talking much about it. 5 minutes in his office for a night and day change.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Burden of proof for murder is heavy, its a get out of jail free card IMO.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
the answer is yes .. they get a paycheck just like a auto mechanic does and the mechanic buy his tools and learns how to use them effectively and correctly ..
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
A 12 pound trigger is not as bad as some make it out to be. I have shot friends who are Leo’s glocks with the ny2 trigger and you can still make hits easily if you practice. It’s not a great trigger but not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. It’s not a good revolver trigger but it’s not all that bad.
Mechanics use their tools every single day in the performance of their routine duties.
Cops do not use their guns every day. Most never use it at all.
Analogies with cops rarely create sound logic, as we have seen many, many times here.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Oh. But they do. Just because they don’t discharge them, it doesn’t mean that they don’t. When approaching a vehicle, where is their strong hand? What would be the compliance level of criminals if they didn’t have a gun?
Toecutter
.308 Win
This is pretty much how things work now and most dont train enough because most never need to use thier firearm ever .They simply aren't gun people. I also know police that train weekly and not just shooting paper.
Most dept dont have ranges . From what I know when the qualify they are given a few boxes of practice ammo. They can make qualifications harder but what happens when half the dept can't pass at once?
I believe VR may have a place in the future . People can be put through high stress scenarios and see how they react then a training program can be built for them .
Justincase
.308 Win
From what I heard it wasn't relayed to the officers as a welfare call. It was instead an "open premises" call, i.e. potential burglary or home invasion. Lots potentially lost in translation from caller to dispatcher.