Nazis are Socialists too
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Saltwater60
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Well I hate them both.
Bananabandit
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I did nazi that coming anne frankly Im offended.
No, no it isn't. It is idiotic to try to deny that Nazis and Commies are two sides of the same coin.
libertysnake
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Both the nazis and commies are inspired by a pretty neutral philosopher -- Hegel -- which predated their ideologies. So they are, in a sense, a result of branches of single philosopher.
Hegel's view was, if my memory serves me correctly, that society is like a giant mind. It progresses when certain ideas are put forth, then tested, and then a synthesis of those ideas results. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis. To Hegel, Germany at the time was the currently more advanced society down this thought progression, but didn't rule it out as other cultures could progress.
The commies said "Well, what is the controlling factor. Is it really just ideas? We think it's the means of production, and the evolution of such, that allow for new types of thought." Marx was an early Hegelian, and took a very narrow view of all contributing factors that looked more at external circumstance shaping people, rather than people shaping production and society.
The nazis, similar to the commies, took a very narrow slice of Hegel's philosophy. In this case, they took the "Germans are the peak of thought" aspect to an extreme, which drove their national socialism.
Two ideologies which are directly opposite to each other. Only one was officialy declared guilty of crimes against humanity by a trial.
Karl Marx is still considered to be a prominent figure around the world including Germany. Hitler is not.
The reason two ideologies are equated in this country is to justify anti-communist hysteria which unnecessarily took so many lives around the world.
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Bob
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I hate Illinois nazis.
Saltwater60
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Hitler and the Nazi were declared guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity because he directly ordered the killing of people. Marx ideas, politics, and economic structure indirectly killed millions. You can’t directly equate those deaths to Marx because he didn’t say kill them.
I didn’t read the entire article but found this to be interesting and applicable. Oh and surprising that a liberal news outlet wouldn’t celebrate Marx, communism, or socialism. I think we’re starting to see a little push back because the media knows this is going too far and will lead to a loss in 2020. There’s been a few articles of this nature recently.
Took you off "ignore" to see your arguments about important issues, hoping there would some nuggets of wisdom. Once again, ignored my first reaction, which was to "ignore" your ignorant ass.
I was wrong.
I've read a lot of political drivel in my 7+ decades on this rock, but the ludicrous bullshit cited above is one of the most ridiculous, and unsupported pieces of shit for brains I've ever read.
Back to the "Ignore" list, sweetie.
Not just the leaders, Nazi ideology itself was found guilty in a trial where evidence and witnesses were presented and cross-examined with the participation of defense council. The case against communism is based largely on propaganda, literature and suppression of exculpatory evidence. Communism never received worldwide condemnation like Nazi ideology. There is no worldwide consensus about communism to this day, because there were a lot of positives as well. There is also strong evidence of how communist death tolls were fabricated, exaggerated and presented out of context of history. Kind of like blaming the death toll of WWI on capitalism, by ignoring the context of history and using only war profiteering argument.
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Blimey
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As opposed to pro-communist hysteria?
Didn't Stalin kill over 3M people in a famine in Ukraine? And then many millions more during various purges, so that those who dared have an opinion contrary to Stalinism wouldn't have to be heard from? Or did none of that happen?
Hmm, where have I heard this sort of argument before.
The theory of Ukrainian famine as Stalin's genocide was debunked, not to mention it didn't make any sense to begin with. It illustrates how we used propaganda, which was often borrowed from the Nazis, to exaggerate Stalin's crimes to help us make the equivalence between Nazi Germany and Soviet Union and use that as a weapon. Interestingly there are only a handful of countries that make that equivalence, mostly us and our puppet states in Eastern Europe.
Here how Ukrainian famine was used to fabricate genocide.
sputniknews.com
Here how Ukrainian famine was used to fabricate genocide.
Holodomor Hoax: Joseph Stalin's Crime That Never Took Place
Playing into the hands of Ukrainian nationalists, a monument to the so-called Ukrainian "Holodomor," one the 20th century's most famous myths and vitriolic pieces of anti-Soviet Propaganda, has been erected in the US capital.
sputniknews.com
Please, by all means give us a list of the positives. As for the death tolls - what context makes them acceptable?
That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have read in a long time. I'm beginning to think you are a KGB mole comrade.
Blimey
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Pretty sure I'm not going to go to "sputniknews" for a debunking of Stalin's famine.The theory of Ukrainian famine as Stalin's genocide was debunked, not to mention it didn't make any sense to begin with. It illustrates how we used propaganda, which was often borrowed from the Nazis, to exaggerate Stalin's crimes to help us make the equivalence between Nazi Germany and Soviet Union and use that as a weapon. Interestingly there are only a handful of countries that make that equivalence, mostly us and our puppet states in Eastern Europe.
Here how Ukrainian famine was used to fabricate genocide.
Holodomor Hoax: Joseph Stalin's Crime That Never Took Place
Playing into the hands of Ukrainian nationalists, a monument to the so-called Ukrainian "Holodomor," one the 20th century's most famous myths and vitriolic pieces of anti-Soviet Propaganda, has been erected in the US capital.
How about defeating Nazi Germany when all of the Western powers basically folded and waited for the Red Army to break the back of Nazi war machine.
If you are going to equate all countries where unacceptable death took place then we are in that list as well.
You listened to one-sided propaganda all of your life. I know both sides of the story. The world is not as simple as you were propagandized to believe.
It references Western sources and at least in part was also reported by the U.S. media, although played down.
Blimey
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Okay but that news source is 100% pure trash, garbage. It's owned by the russian government and, as we know, Russia has no freedom of the press.
Blimey
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Then please never ever get your news, ever from a news site owned wholesale by a government that actively suppresses dissenting views and which does not care one iota about freedom of the press.
It's pretty obvious that the soviets played more than their part in keeping the nazis at bay and we should all honor the fact they lost like 20M people in WWII (more than any other country). The war could not have been won without them.
None of that changes the fact that communism is shit, stalin was shit, soviet union was shit, and frankly russia today is shit as well.
You are repeating the same narrative which is propagated by the discredited U.S. media. Prince Andrew pedophilia scandal for example was reported by Russian media years ago and they stayed with it, while U.S. media was covering up.
On the contrary comrade, the world is not as simple as you believe.
As for the story of russia in world war 2. That has little to do with communism. Also, remember that stalin entered into a non aggression pact with hitler and invaded poland right after the nazis did. So the russian commies are not the angels you portray them to be.
Robin
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Spread it moisin !!!!!
Robin
There is an opposition media in Russia and it's not suppressed. It is actually used in an open public forum to debate the same very issues which are being debated here. Our media pretends to be independent but the narratives about foreign affairs are spoon fed by the state department.
Jmac00
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How long have you been waiting to post that, LOL
Blimey
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So it's not owned by the Russian government?
All major European powers had non-aggression pact with Hitler, including Poland. Soviet Union was the last country to sign one and that was only after Britain, France and Poland rejected Stalin's offer to form a coalition against Nazi Germany. Facing a war on two fronts (Japan in the East) Stalin had little choice and it bought Soviet Union valuable time to prepare for war.
Poland was invaded by Nazi Germany on Sept.1, 1939. Red Army crossed into Poland on Sept.17, 1939. By that time Poland was no longer a country, it's government fled to Romania and ordered Polish troops not to engage the Red Army. The territories that were annexed by the Soviet Union, were Western Ukraine and Western Belarus, which Poland grabbed from Russia in 1920 taking advantage of the Russian Civil War. These territories were never given to Poland by the League of Nations at the end of WWI.
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It never hides the fact that it is owned by the Russian government. Our media pretends to be independent.
Just to illustrate how our propaganda works. They took one fact out of the whole series of connected facts and took it out of historical context, blew it up and ran with it, ignoring everything else that was going on in Europe at the time.