Should the Police / Military have Cell Phone Towers shut off in areas of insurrection ?

[CaseHardened]

Do they have this ability ?

Would it cripple the Rioters ability to co-ordinate ?

What are the implications for our Liberty and Civil Rights ?

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Do they have this ability ?

Most likely yes.

Would it cripple the Rioters ability to co-ordinate ?

Yes, if that is their main mode of coordination.

What are the implications for our Liberty and Civil Rights ?

Those should be obvious.

 

[BDinPutnam]

No.

 

[holdover]

Yes.

 

[CaseHardened]

CaseHardened said:
What are the implications for our Liberty and Civil Rights ?

ArmedCorgi: Those should be obvious.

Not to me.

COVID-19 has proven to me that we have very few rights anymore.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Those should be obvious.

In that I mean, it would be an infringement on our rights for them to do so.

 

[holdover]

It is. but still yes

 

[Jsmegs77]

Complicated answer with slippery slopes. Since many people, myself included, do not have land lines, doing so to help quell an unfortunate event in my area would result in my being placed out of communication with the outside world. Or, any of the outside world outside of radio or repeater range from me. Would it help cut down the BS from Antifa and friends? Almost certainly, since they are reported to heavily use cell phones and apps in their command and control scheme. But would the juice be worth the squeeze? Harder to determine.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I'd say only if they could localize the jamming to a matter of a specific area of rioting (I'm talking yards not miles) and not shut down an entire city or county. But even so, the police and military should have eavesdropping capability or other tactics to use to proactively counter the rioting.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Should they be able to shut off landlines, jam radios, and the internet, too?

Hard no on this proposal for so many reasons.

I'm fine with gov using their own frequencies. Dont fuck with mine.

You know where they literally do shit like this?

Iran. Turkey. China. List goes on.

Did I mention "hard no"?

 

[CaseHardened]

I see no conflict on shutting cell service off in limited areas of insurrection.

It's a tool that should be used.

When Riots break out, everyone in the area is typically warned they are in the violation of the law to remain in the area.

If forcing people to leave areas they are normally entitled to be is allowed, denying them Cell Service also seems to me to be valid.

Turning off the lights may help as well. Let them stumble and fall.

Obviously the Police should have Night Vision Tech.

 

[holdover]

They have been designated as a terrorist organization, They have committed acts of violence and openly stated that violence is necessary to achieve their goals which has been stated as an overthrow of the present system . They are an enemy of the state and an enemy of the people. They are enemy combatants and should be processed under military law, not civil. If there's actionable intelligence of an operation. By all means shut the lights off.

 

[spat]

They absolutely have the ability.

They should not be allowed to use it for more reasons than I can count.

 

[BDinPutnam]

I see no conflict on shutting cell service off in limited areas of insurrection.

It's a tool that should be used.

When Riots break out, everyone in the area is typically warned they are in the violation of the law to remain in the area.

If forcing people to leave areas they are normally entitled to be is allowed, denying them Cell Service also seems to me to be valid.

Turning off the lights may help as well. Let them stumble and fall.

Obviously the Police should have Night Vision Tech.

Including the people who live / work in the area who are in their homes or places of business?

Including the press that is covering the story?

Nope.

 

[CaseHardened]

They can't find the people who dropped off Pipe Bombs in DC.

Pipe Bombs Found Near Korean War Memorial: Law Enforcement In Pursuit – USSA News | The Tea Party's Front Page

Yet many years ago, with far less technology, Timothy McVeigh was located within hours.

Explain, please.


My point is, yes, the Police already have sufficient tech to know when the riots will happen, and who is behind them.

And they seem reluctant to use even that !


So whether shutting off Cell Phone Towers is a violation of Civil Rights or not is probably moot.

 

[holdover]

Yep. Shut em down, pick em up . Im not concerned with their civil rights during an attack on innocent people.

 

[Jsmegs77]

The thing is, cell phone service covers the good and the bad alike. Looters and first responders alike. Police and perpetrators. Not sure there is a way to separate. Slippery slope warning: once you allow this as an option, it will be used at every justifiable occasion, then rules will be created to ensure that a commander's whim is "justifiable occasion" (kind of like governors and executive orders (FUAC)), and down the spiral goes.

As to the pipe bombs, my suspicion is the reason that they can't be found is because they were created and planted by the very people who are being permitted to engage in mass lawbreaking virtually without consequence. It's not a case of can't, it's won't.

 

[BDinPutnam]

They can't find the people who dropped off Pipe Bombs in DC.

Pipe Bombs Found Near Korean War Memorial: Law Enforcement In Pursuit – USSA News | The Tea Party's Front Page

Yet many years ago, with far less technology, Timothy McVeigh was located within hours.

Explain, please.


My point is, yes, the Police already have sufficient tech to know when the riots will happen, and who is behind them.

And they seem reluctant to use even that !


So whether shutting off Cell Phone Towers is a violation of Civil Rights or not is probably moot.

What does this even remotely have to do with the topic at hand?

Gov is less competent now than they were then so we should give them even more power?

Color me confused.

By the way shutting down cell would actually hamper an investigation of this sort since there would be less to track.

 

[holdover]

I understand. But we must start to understand that we are now living in a low intensity warzone.

 

[CaseHardened]

By the way shutting down cell would actually hamper an investigation of this sort since there would be less to track.

As I said, the Police are being ordered to "Stand Down" anyways.

So yeah, even if they had the authority to shut off the Cell Towers, it may not mean shit.

 

[CaseHardened]

I understand. But we must start to understand that we are now living in a low intensity warzone.

And civilization is losing.

Any archeologist can tell you of civilization after civilization that have came and gone.

Ever wonder why ?

Turn on the news.

 

[spat]

They can't find the people who dropped off Pipe Bombs in DC.

Pipe Bombs Found Near Korean War Memorial: Law Enforcement In Pursuit – USSA News | The Tea Party's Front Page

Yet many years ago, with far less technology, Timothy McVeigh was located within hours.

Explain, please.


My point is, yes, the Police already have sufficient tech to know when the riots will happen, and who is behind them.

And they seem reluctant to use even that !


So whether shutting off Cell Phone Towers is a violation of Civil Rights or not is probably moot.

So the people in that area can't call for help ?

And while I think the rioters need to be shut down immediately and with all necessary force, I *also* thing there is a lot of police abuse out there that needs to see the light of day.

This does not sound like a good plan. It will be used more often to keep the public in the dark about things we ought to be outraged by than to actually stop any lawlessness.

The solution is to arrest rioters and keep them locked up. The fact that they are unwilling to do that does not justify giving them more power.

 

[BDinPutnam]

As I said, the Police are being ordered to "Stand Down" anyways.

So yeah, even if they had the authority to shut off the Cell Towers, it may not mean shit.

What does this have to do with McVeigh?

 

[Jsmegs77]

Now, as far as the street lights go, shut 'em all out. Let these urbanites see how well their eyes really do in the dark. Ever have to navigate an urban area in a blackout?

 

[spat]

Now, as far as the street lights go, shut 'em all out. Let these urbanites see how well their eyes really do in the dark. Ever have to navigate an urban area in a blackout?

Won't work.

You ever see how much light a burning 7/11 puts out ?

 

[CaseHardened]

What does this have to do with McVeigh?

They found McVeigh - A BOMBER - within hours.

Days have passed and still no leads on the PIPE BOMBS.

What, are there no cameras, no fingerprints, no DNA ?
They tracked McVeigh's Ryder Truck. They can't track the Pipe Bomber's U-HAUL ?

This is complete horseshit.

Many of our POLITICAL "LEADERS" are enabling this terror.

 

[CaseHardened]

So the people in that area can't call for help ?

And in the midst of a Riot, the Police are going to help you ?

Name me ONE instance in the past two weeks that a call for help from an innocent in the midst of a riot zone has resulted in help being delivered.

 

[Curmudgeon]

What does this have to do with McVeigh?

Grace? She died 30 years ago...

Almost 19 years to the day since he was put down...

Timothy McVeigh - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[spat]

And in the midst of a Riot, the Police are going to help you ?

Name me ONE instance in the past two weeks that a call for help from an innocent in the midst of a riot zone has resulted in help being delivered.

In the midst of a riot it is very valuable *to the police* for the good citizens who live in that area to be able to call out.

"there are a couple guys trying to start a fire at the gas station on 4th and Elm" Is definitely information they would need to know.

 

[CaseHardened]

Grace? She died 30 years ago...

Almost 19 years to the day since he was put down...

Timothy McVeigh - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

ABSOLUTELY NOT DEFENDING MCVEIGH.

"A Gulf War veteran, McVeigh sought revenge against the federal government for the 1993 Waco siege that ended in the deaths of 86 people, many of whom were children, as well as the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident and American foreign policy."

But how many Federal Agents were disciplined for the MURDERS that outraged many of us ?

McVeigh was put down, and that was the right thing to do.

How many ANTIFA will be ?