Texas leads the way, Bars are going to open and defy the government

[spat]

Doubt it. That would put both in violation. There are strict channels you must follow. It would be unlawful. Guy I know owns 2 places near each other. It is unlawful to take a bottle brought and delivered to business A and send it over to business B when they run out.

The whole point of this is that they have decided to say "fuck unlawful".

If they were going to worry about the bureaucracy coming for them they wouldn't be opening up at all.

 

[Chevusa]

That worked so well in the 20's.

You need to deal with what is now. Not what was. What’s to stop your from not paying speeding tickets? They take the license away. So what. You can still physically drive. The difference is money and criminal prosecution.

 

[Chevusa]

The whole point of this is that they have decided to say "fuck unlawful".

If they were going to worry about the bureaucracy coming for them they wouldn't be opening up at all.

There are going to defy until they cannot get alcohol supplied. That is the topic. You can do anything g you want for now. Then you’ll be caught. Party over.

 

[BDinPutnam]

The whole point of this is that they have decided to say "fuck unlawful".

If they were going to worry about the bureaucracy coming for them they wouldn't be opening up at all.

The "bureaucracy" is not who will be padlocking the front door of the business.

 

[spat]

You need to deal with what is now. Not what was. What’s to stop your from not paying speeding tickets? They take the license away. So what. You can still physically drive. The difference is money and criminal prosecution.

And a lot of people do say "fuck that" and drive anyway.

The point is that people will follow your ridiculous arbitrary laws until they are too onerous. Then they will go under the table/ black market and then you have *no* control.

What you are suggesting is like stopping drug cartels by pulling their business licenses.

 

[Chevusa]

And a lot of people do say "fuck that" and drive anyway.

The point is that people will follow your ridiculous arbitrary laws until they are too onerous. Then they will go under the table/ black market and then you have *no* control.

What you are suggesting is like stopping drug cartels by pulling their business licenses.

Not at all. You are a marked business in a fixed location. Defy the laws and see what happens. Locks and chains in the door pretty quick I’d say. Lots of control over it.

 

[spat]

The "bureaucracy" is not who will be padlocking the front door of the business.

Look, they tried it with alcohol in the 20's. It failed.

They've been trying it with drugs since then. Also failed.

They can padlock the front door, then it'll become a speakeasy.

And at that point, i would say the proprietors have a legitimate right (maybe not a legal one, but morally) to defend their business from the agents of the tyrants trying to shut them down.

 

[spat]

Not at all. You are a marked business in a fixed location. Defy the laws and see what happens. Locks and chains in the door pretty quick I’d say. Lots of control over it.

Takes about 2 seconds to cut a lock.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Takes about 2 seconds to cut a lock.

Takes about 15 to cuff and stuff someone into the back of a squad car.

 

[Chevusa]

Takes about 2 seconds to cut a lock.

Ok. I’m sure everyone will model their business plan after your advice. Seems logical.

 

[spat]

Ok. I’m sure everyone will model their business plan after your advice. Seems logical.

And why they haven’t shut down the drug trade using your strategy is completely a mystery.

 

[BDinPutnam]

And why they haven’t shut down the drug trade using your strategy is completely a mystery.

I wasn't aware the cartels maintained easy to find retail store fronts.

 

[spat]

Takes about 15 to cuff and stuff someone into the back of a squad car.

And in NY you'd be back on the street in a couple hours.

 

[spat]

I wasn't aware the cartels maintained easy to find retail store fronts.

Their clients seem to be able to find them just fine.

Same for "massage parlors" and a host of other businesses.

 

[Chevusa]

And why they haven’t shut down the drug trade using your strategy is completely a mystery.

Didn’t know they operated out of a building at 123 Main st and pay utilities, licensing, insurance etc etc etc.

 

[spat]

Didn’t know they operated out of a building at 123 Main st and pay utilities, licensing, insurance etc etc etc.

I am sure they all have an address and keep the lights on.

I don’t know why you think anyone would worry about licensing though. What are they going to do revoke the license for the business they already shut down ?

Insurance becomes a lot less of a concern once you go underground too. Not like you can be sued anymore.

The bottom line is that the government only has control over things they allow. Once they outlaw it completely they lose all say in how that business is conducted.

 

[Chevusa]

I am sure they all have an address and keep the lights on.

I don’t know why you think anyone would worry about licensing though. What are they going to do revoke the license for the business they already shut down ?

Insurance becomes a lot less of a concern once you go underground too. Not like you can be sued anymore.

The bottom line is that the government only has control over things they allow. Once they outlaw it completely they lose all say in how that business is conducted.

True. Then they stop it by force. Again it’s at 123 main st. Easy to enforce.

 

[spat]

True. Then they stop it by force. Again it’s at 123 main st. Easy to enforce.

So why are there "massage parlors" in every major city ?

They get shutdown. They reopen. Rinse, repeat.

 

[Chevusa]

So why are there "massage parlors" in every major city ?

They get shutdown. They reopen. Rinse, repeat.

True. But different. Don’t need truck loads of hand jobs delivered. And the business is already open and operating. They are just giving extra services. Not open in defiance of a shutdown order. Easy to get away with it.

 

[spat]

True. But different. Don’t need truck loads of hand jobs delivered. And the business is already open and operating. They are just giving extra services. Not open in defiance of a shutdown order. Easy to get away with it.

Prostitution has been subject to a shutdown order for a century.

I'm not saying the bars can keep operating like nothing happened. Just that they can keep operating.

Speakeasies can exist in the 21st century just as well as they could in the 20th.

Who knows, maybe the easy answer is just a few "campaign contributions" and you'll be overlooked.

 

[whatwasithinking]

Need to be licensed and etc etc to sell and deliver it. They got ya either way.

IF ... for one weekend, every business opened without restrictions, what could they possibly do? If one or two do it then that it is easy pickings for the state, but if everyone does it then it's an entirely different situation. The state would be cutting a big source of revenue.

 

[Chevusa]

Prostitution has been subject to a shutdown order for a century.

I'm not saying the bars can keep operating like nothing happened. Just that they can keep operating.

Speakeasies can exist in the 21st century just as well as they could in the 20th.

Who knows, maybe the easy answer is just a few "campaign contributions" and you'll be overlooked.

The prostitute doesn’t operate out of a building at 123 main st with customers lined up out the door and parked down the street. Not even close.

 

[spat]

The prostitute doesn’t operate out of a building at 123 main st with customers lined up out the door and parked down the street. Not even close.

Yes, they do.

Not sure what larger city you're near, but I guarantee I could google up a massage parlor and find a "rub and tug" joint in about 5 mins.

 

[Chevusa]

Yes, they do.

Not sure what larger city you're near, but I guarantee I could google up a massage parlor and find a "rub and tug" joint in about 5 mins.

Already explained the difference. That is not the primary business. Not the same thing.

 

[spat]

Already explained the difference. That is not the primary business. Not the same thing.

It *is* the primary business.

You think many people go there just to get a massage ?

 

[BDinPutnam]

It *is* the primary business.

You think many people go there just to get a massage ?

I do.

 

[E the massive]

Pay off the right people, no problems. Then there is the "silver or lead" business model. How committed are they?

 

[Chevusa]

It *is* the primary business.

You think many people go there just to get a massage ?

You aren’t getting it. What is the license under? You are talking about a side activity. If there is a seafood only restaurant and once in a while they give a guy chicken it’s different than a guy operating a restaurant in general without licensing to do so.

 

[meketrefe]

Screw John Hopkins!

Need-To-Know Connection Between the Rockefeller Foundation, Johns Hopkins University, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation

Here are the numbers that matter for NYS. The scamdemic is over! 5 people died yesterday. Do you understand that?? New York Coronavirus Deaths Per Day

You guys are all over the place.

Someone writes something in a "whoknows" blog and that is presented as facts.
And where major donors are have nothing ot do with anything since those huge foundations are linked to hundreds of hospitals
and other organizations world wide. I guess it makes for a nice political argument and the promotion of sensationalist blogs
and other forms of opinion.

If you look at the JHU database is not perfect but it is pretty well maintained and so far the most reliable source.
The datasrouces have been verified by major MPP databases that give subscriptions to any organizations who need the data world wide.

The updates are done daily or weekly so there might be a lag and even CDC data in the us might be one week behind when the JHU database
has the latest actuals.

I am providing a few examples on how well this is maintatined in case someone is interested in learning something and some facts instead of pandering to the ignorant .

JHU gives a total for the States but also any Countries affected by the virus.

Here is Brazil.

New COVID-19 Cases Worldwide - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Have countries flattened the curve? Daily confirmed new COVID-19 cases for the most affected countries over time.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

These match quite close the numbers from the Brazilian "Secretaria de Saude" (Ministry of Health) that are now pretty well maintained after June's scandal where they were delaying the updates to avoid panic and their health organizations found out and got burned so now they are updating on a daily basis.

Coronavírus Brasil

covid.saude.gov.br

Here another example, this is Spain showing the curve and the nr. of cases and deaths and how it is spiking after the reopening of the
beaches and bars for the summer season (lots of cases in the Mediterranean coast and the largest cities)

New COVID-19 Cases Worldwide - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Have countries flattened the curve? Daily confirmed new COVID-19 cases for the most affected countries over time.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

You go to an independent newspaper in Spain that verifies their data against their ministry of health (like our CDC)
and you have the same number. This is because JHU is connected to the reporting system in place for the hospitals in that country.

El coronavirus en España día a día y por comunidades: así evolucionan los casos, los ingresos y las muertes

Actualización de los principales datos a nivel nacional y por territorios

elpais.com

I suggest you guys watch this video and then reflect on it a little. The UFO situation applies to many subjects in life.


I was really hoping liberty lovers and firearm owners would challenge themselves a bit more than the people on the left with their tribalism and propaganda agendas. Maybe we are all the same, a polarized society with little interest in education and critical thinking,

 

[spat]

You aren’t getting it. What is the license under? You are talking about a side activity. If there is a seafood only restaurant and once in a while they give a guy chicken it’s different than a guy operating a restaurant in general without licensing to do so.

Go to google.

Run a search for your city and "body rubs".

What do you think those businesses are selling ?

I'll give you a hint, it's not back rubs and foot massages.