BREAKING: 9th Circuit Rules Americans Have No Right to Carry Guns, Either Open or Concealed

[tirwin1]

“After careful review of the history of early English and American regulation of carrying arms openly in the public square, the en banc court concluded that Hawai‘i’s restrictions on the open carrying of firearms reflect longstanding prohibitions, and therefore, the conduct they regulate is outside the historical scope of the Second Amendment,” the court decided. “The en banc court held that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an unfettered, general right to openly carry arms in public for individual self-defense.”

9th Circuit Rules Americans Have No Right to Carry Guns, Either Open or Concealed - Becker News

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has issued a ruling stating Americans do not have an inherent right to carry firearms, whether it be concealed or open carry. “The US Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit just ruled that THERE IS NO RIGHT TO CARRY – either openly or concealed in public. This...

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Fucking hawaii wasn't even a twinkle in the eye of the founders when the bill of rights was ratified so their "longstanding prohibitions" are worthless as it relates to the second amendment (which was ratified 168 fucking years before hawaii became a state).

This ruling is so laughably absurd it can't possibly be taken seriously. However, it probably will be. The liberals on the supreme court usurped power with their ruling in roe v. wade back in 1973. When the nation's laws can be changed overnight due to the abortion of a phrase (pun intended) "emanation of a penumbra" then it's clear that words no longer have meaning. Only the will to power rules.

 

[GOPerfect]

This is an awesome ruling. I for one am happy, nearly elated that this decision was made.

No sarcasm.

 

[GOPerfect]

This, this right here is why we need guns in America. This is why the Good American Citizens need to be armed.

 

[Modean]

So what exactly does keep and bear arms mean?

 

[1911guy]

The ninth circuit is the most overturned in the country. Just saying.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

They should just move their courtroom into the local Costco.

 

[OwnTheRide]

I agree with those who see this as a good thing. This is the case we needed before SCOTUS.

Watch them punt anyway, argh.

 

[GOPerfect]

I agree with those who see this as a good thing. This is the case we needed before SCOTUS.

Watch them punt anyway, argh.

I do not believe they will be able to "Punt" this away. It is in direct conflict of SCOTUS rulings. This may be fun to watch.

Granted I will pay very attention to the case. I have pretty much stopped caring about these cases and the laws.

The Second Amendment is a dying Right; it is dying before our very eyes. We are watching it die a slow death.

I have all I want and need. I just wish these Anti-American and Anti-Constitutionalists would get on with it already.

That is what I want to watch.

 

[tirwin1]

I think there is a lot of merit to this comment from Instapundit:

Well, gun rights are distasteful to the Gentry Class, and as I explain in my The Judiciary’s Class War, the Supreme Court, like the rest of the judiciary, is fundamentally a Gentry Class institution no matter who appoints its members. That’s why non-textual rights, like abortion, that are important to the Gentry Class get more solicitude than textual rights, like the right to arms, that are not.

 

[prambo]

Probably figuring that SCROTUM is now completely de-fanged and will just let it stand or rule the same.

Been saying for years not to pin any hopes on SCROTUM - the balls within said SCROTUM were removed decades ago.

The competition for the "Roland Freisler Lifetime Achievement Award for National Socialist Judges" will be crowded this year.

 

[speedkills27]

Couple questions come to mind, maybe someone smarter than me can answer them
1- isn't this in direct conflict with Heller and/or McDonald
2- if it is, and seeing the amazing amount of rulings that are over turned by the 9th circuit, how are they allowed to continue to operate. Isnt there some recourse or checks and balance on this clearly runaway judiciary?

 

[GOPerfect]

Couple questions come to mind, maybe someone smarter than me can answer them
1- isn't this in direct conflict with Heller and/or McDonald
2- if it is, and seeing the amazing amount of rulings that are over turned by the 9th circuit, how are they allowed to continue to operate. Isnt there some recourse or checks and balance on this clearly runaway judiciary?

Direct conflict. This conflict is the reason that I love this ruling.

 

[dwa12479]

Direct conflict. This conflict is the reason that I love this ruling.

I was under the impression that the scope of Heller ended within the home, and did not address the open or concealed carry outside.

 

[ProgSpear]

Consider how infallible SCOTUS has been in the past. It’s almost like having 9 black robed Popes to guide our meager existences.

HAHAHA! NOT! I cite Dred Scott, Roe, and Kelo as notable fails, where the courts improperly decided to force a judicial solution on political questions. I no longer have ANY faith that they will follow a constitutional path, do the right thing, or remotely improve the lives of us serfs.

 

[jimc]

how long before cuomo takes this and tells all of us we can no longer carry our firearms, concealed or otherwise outside of our homes

Why stop outside the home? Cuomo has already proven that he can decide what goes on IN your home. Remember- no more than 10 people in your house for the holidays?

I just looked. Apparently it's still the case. From: Travel, Large Gatherings and Quarantines

Large Gatherings
Social Gatherings: Previously limited to no more than 10 people, effective March 22, 2021,gatherings statewide at private residences will be limited to 10 people indoors and 25 people outdoors. As of March 22, 2021, social gatherings in public spaces, previously limited to 50 people, will be limited to 100 people indoors and 200 people outdoors.

 

[speedkills27]

I love how they dug down 700+ years for justification on this. Reeeaaaalllllllyyyyyyyyyy stretching it

 

[OwnTheRide]

Couple questions come to mind, maybe someone smarter than me can answer them
1- isn't this in direct conflict with Heller and/or McDonald
2- if it is, and seeing the amazing amount of rulings that are over turned by the 9th circuit, how are they allowed to continue to operate. Isnt there some recourse or checks and balance on this clearly runaway judiciary?

Direct conflict. This conflict is the reason that I love this ruling.

I was under the impression that the scope of Heller ended within the home, and did not address the open or concealed carry outside.

I believe dwa12479 is correct. The Heller ruling established that we have a fundamental right to possess a pistol in our homes. It was silent in regards to anything beyond the threshold of your home.

 

[prambo]

I love how they dug down 700+ years for justification on this. Reeeaaaalllllllyyyyyyyyyy stretching it

Well, we are but peons, at the best kulaks, to these self-anointed black-robed lords of the high bench. How Thomas can even stand to be in the same building with them is beyond me.

The stench of betrayal, sloth, self-masturbatory narcissism and buggery must be overwhelming.

 

[prambo]

I believe dwa12479 is correct. The Heller ruling established that we have a fundamental right to possess a pistol in our homes. It was silent in regards to anything beyond the threshold of your home.

And so shall we all.

 

[ProgSpear]

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This, this right here is why we need guns in America. This is why the Good American Citizens need to be armed.

Ok, I get the general drift, but WTF is a “hoover” that needs to be killed? I’m not wired into LE or gang speak. I’m just a normie.

 

[Podmonkey]

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

The Constitution does not grant us the right to keep and bear arms, birth gives you the right to keep and bear arms. The 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution limits what Government can do about that right.

 

[Cooolone]

The ruling did d not address possession (concealed)... Just open carry!

I'd have to find it, but there's reference in one of those (SCOTUS) rulings that "BOTH" cannot be restricted as it then invalidates that Right (2nd). So municipalities that restrict open carry, must allow concealed, etc.

ANYWAYS...

 

[IrishMick]

I believe dwa12479 is correct. The Heller ruling established that we have a fundamental right to possess a pistol in our homes. It was silent in regards to anything beyond the threshold of your home.

This has been my contention with the Sullivan Act. While the Right to Bear Arms outside the home possibly remains an unanswered question the Right to Keep them in the home for self protection was clearly answered by Heller. That, to purchase a handgun to keep in the home, you must have a special need as per the Sullivan Act is clearly an over reach by the current permitting scheme. That there is no option to simply purchase a handgun for your home as ownership is tied in to the permitting/registration boondoggle is clearly contrary to the Second Amendment and the Heller decision. Yet no one has managed to bring this to SCOTUS. Maybe I am misinterpreting the ruling but you should be able to own a handgun the same as buying a long gun without the whole permit process/obtaining a voucher from the permit office.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Ok, I get the general drift, but WTF is a “hoover” that needs to be killed? I’m not wired into LE or gang speak. I’m just a normie.

^^ this. I'm also perplexed why they hate hoover vacuums so much. Maybe they are the sharks or dyson's?

 

[dwa12479]

This has been my contention with the Sullivan Act. While the Right to Bear Arms outside the home possibly remains an unanswered question the Right to Keep them in the home for self protection was clearly answered by Heller. That, to purchase a handgun to keep in the home, you must have a special need as per the Sullivan Act is clearly an over reach by the current permitting scheme. That there is no option to simply purchase a handgun for your home as ownership is tied in to the permitting/registration boondoggle is clearly contrary to the Second Amendment and the Heller decision. Yet no one has managed to bring this to SCOTUS. Maybe I am misinterpreting the ruling but you should be able to own a handgun the same as buying a long gun without the whole permit process/obtaining a voucher from the permit office.

Not saying it's right, but NY has been able to get away with it because its their contention that you have other options, like long guns. California has a list of "approved" handguns etc. Same thing, they get away with it because you still have options. Its BS. Sadly, once a law is on the books it's nearly impossible to get it off without the courts. Thats why Sullivan has been here for 110 years.

 

[dwa12479]

The ruling did d not address possession (concealed)... Just open carry!

I'd have to find it, but there's reference in one of those (SCOTUS) rulings that "BOTH" cannot be restricted as it then invalidates that Right (2nd). So municipalities that restrict open carry, must allow concealed, etc.

ANYWAYS...

That was part of the original ruling on this case from the 9th Circuit. The en banc review has reversed that.

 

[Catskillkid]

How long before they just burn the constitution and say they lost it?

"The dog ate it" will be their excuse.

 

[livingston]

After the Trump haters pack the court ... wait and see what we deal with....

 

[Shadow2]

Don't expect the Supreme Court to step in and fix this mess.

The Supreme Court has a case on its docket right now pertaining to shale issue permit schemes in NY. Make no mistake this is F you in the face of SCOTUS hearing the case.

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