Police chief says new cannabis law is flawed

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Cannabis has similar tells to alcohol impairment.
However, it requires a Drug Recognition Expert (DRE) to perform several tests to determine what the impairment is from, if it's other than alcohol.
There are 3 DRE's for the entire county I work in. Good luck getting one for a regular DWAI-Drugs arrest.
The DRE course is VERY difficult. So it's not gonna be a matter of "just get patrol guys trained up."
Expect to see more crashes from this edict.
 
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Catskillkid said:
Bigger issue, imo, is how to enforce Driving while under influence of drugs laws. There's no breathalyzer for pot and blood tests don't always come back conclusive, especially if other drugs are in their system.
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Add to that they set a BAC a limit and a level for weed in your blood. What if you smoke weed and drink together and it impairs you yet your under the legal limit for both alcohol and weed? Still impaired but can’t be prosecuted??
 
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Catskillkid said:
Bigger issue, imo, is how to enforce Driving while under influence of drugs laws. There's no breathalyzer for pot and blood tests don't always come back conclusive, especially if other drugs are in their system.
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In most departments, they have drug recognition experts. There are not enough trained though, throughout the Country, less than 5000 all together.

Driving while stoned is very, very hard to prove.


Evidence of impairment usually comes from the arresting officer’s observations of things like:

poor field sobriety tests, slurred speech, unusual behavior, and overall bad driving.
 
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GOPerfect said:
In most departments, they have drug recognition experts. There are not enough trained though, throughout the Country, less than 5000 all together.

Driving while stoned is very, very hard to prove.


Evidence of impairment usually comes from the arresting officer’s observations of things like:

poor field sobriety tests, slurred speech, unusual behavior, and overall bad driving.
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The driving while impaired laws are fundamentally flawed.

Because they concentrate on the substance and not the impairment.

I don’t care if the guy is high, or drunk, or just too old or tired to drive. The test should be an objective test for the necessary skills themselves.

I'm not talking a road test. I'm talking about quick tests of reaction time, etc administered by an automatic system.

And if that means that aunt myrtle can never pass it, then she should probably not be driving at all anyway.

And yep, if someone can pass the tests with a .15 BAC, then he's good to go, because it's mental capacity we care about not chemistry.
 
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spat said:
The driving while impaired laws are fundamentally flawed.

Because they concentrate on the substance and not the impairment.

I don’t care if the guy is high, or drunk, or just too old or tired to drive. The test should be an objective test for the necessary skills themselves.

I'm not talking a road test. I'm talking about quick tests of reaction time, etc administered by an automatic system.

And if that means that aunt myrtle can never pass it, then she should probably not be driving at all anyway.

And yep, if someone can pass the tests with a .15 BAC, then he's good to go, because it's mental capacity we care about not chemistry.
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But that is a problem with most laws. They have to be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator because otherwise "enforcement would be hard!". So they try to set an arbitrary level that might catch 80% of the problem and ignore the rest (people over the 'limit' who are fine and people under the 'limit' who are a danger to others.).

That's how you get BAC laws, headlights-on-during-the-day laws, move-over-for-emergency-vehicle laws, etc. It has become too costly to actually require people to learn to behave properly and enforce that requirement.
 
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I just want to know how they established 3oz as the cut off of acceptability!?

3oz...

Really?

I don't know much about anything, but 3oz for personal use is a bit of a stretch! Amazingly so...

6 plants per person, ok?
Same thing, what's the yield per plant?

How much weed smoke is ok? I mean yes, you can buy and possess all the alcohol you'd like, so I understand then, are any limits ok?

But it's all just the money grab...

The acceptance by the Gov't of Vice, for $$$ gain. As it has endorsed and promoted gambling over the last couple decades+ ... We now see the further eroding of morality by the State sponsorship of vices, such as drug use, alcohol, gambling... and more to come! Prostitution is next, wholesale across the board, wait for it...

It's not that I completely disagree with it, just that I don't like the undertones of why! Ultimately and largely because its the ol "Pat on the ass" there ya go, have fun, send off from the Gov't. No support programs in the background, no systemized therapy for those who experience the worst of these vices, no help (real help, not an 800#)... Just the old ok, it's good now, just pay the freight and you're good to go! Have fun, see ya'

Alcoholism is real and it destroys, so is drug addiction, and sexual offenses! The Gov't is ignoring the dark side of these vices, period!

And THAT is a problem, will be a problem and the problem then will always be ours! Will be the families impacted by these decisions. Not much different than defunding the police and at the same time restricting a citizens ability to protect themselves... Simply befuddling and mentally deficient!

Anyways... /end rant

Have a nice day ;)
 
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I believe the bigger picture is now that it is taxed . Anything over so many ounces and you are avoiding paying the tax ... Soon there will be a federal tax .. It will come .. Folks will be going to federal prison over this just like they did and do with booze.
 
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Cooolone said:
I just want to know how they established 3oz as the cut off of acceptability!?

3oz...

Really?

I don't know much about anything, but 3oz for personal use is a bit of a stretch! Amazingly so...

6 plants per person, ok?
Same thing, what's the yield per plant?

How much weed smoke is ok? I mean yes, you can buy and possess all the alcohol you'd like, so I understand then, are any limits ok?

But it's all just the money grab...

The acceptance by the Gov't of Vice, for $$$ gain. As it has endorsed and promoted gambling over the last couple decades+ ... We now see the further eroding of morality by the State sponsorship of vices, such as drug use, alcohol, gambling... and more to come! Prostitution is next, wholesale across the board, wait for it...

It's not that I completely disagree with it, just that I don't like the undertones of why! Ultimately and largely because its the ol "Pat on the ass" there ya go, have fun, send off from the Gov't. No support programs in the background, no systemized therapy for those who experience the worst of these vices, no help (real help, not an 800#)... Just the old ok, it's good now, just pay the freight and you're good to go! Have fun, see ya'

Alcoholism is real and it destroys, so is drug addiction, and sexual offenses! The Gov't is ignoring the dark side of these vices, period!

And THAT is a problem, will be a problem and the problem then will always be ours! Will be the families impacted by these decisions. Not much different than defunding the police and at the same time restricting a citizens ability to protect themselves... Simply befuddling and mentally deficient!

Anyways... /end rant

Have a nice day ;)
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I skimmed the law, 3oz on person, 3 mature plants, 3 immature plants. 5 pounds in your house.
5 lbs seems like more than enough for personal consumption.
 
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Catskillkid said:
Bigger issue, imo, is how to enforce Driving while under influence of drugs laws. There's no breathalyzer for pot and blood tests don't always come back conclusive, especially if other drugs are in their system.
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You don't know how many people are driving around stoned now, because they are not going to be swerving and driving erratically .

What about prescription meds ? Plenty of people driving on pain meds and other scripts that impair them.

Bottom line I don't think people driving on weed is going to be a huge safety problem.
 
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