A cop shooting in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota---- More riots and more shootings.

[GOPerfect]

Deadly police shooting of Daunte Wright in Brooklyn Center leads to protests, looting

A man died Sunday after he was shot by police and then shortly after involved in a vehicle crash in Brooklyn Center, the police department reports. Law enforcement did not confirm the victim's identity Sunday, but protesters were calling for justice in the death of a man named Daunte Wright...

www.fox9.com

Anyone else see this story? Young man decided not to abide by officer commands at a simple traffic stop, raced away, was shot (in error), crashed his car and died.

Police station has been under attack throughout the day...

Shots fired at Brooklyn Park Police Department; no injuries reported

The Brooklyn Park Police Department says someone shot at the department Sunday night, shattering the glass doors to the lobby ...

kstp.com

The warmer weather is upon us...

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I saw it from the body cam. It's bad.

My take. If the dude complied he would be alive.

The female officer REALLY F'd up. Badly. She thought she was trying to taser him. Welp... That didn't happen.


Cliff notes, guy has outstanding warrant, resists arrest, cop pulls pistol thinking it's her taser.


End result, minneapolis burns again.

 

[GOPerfect]

Brooklyn Center City Hall Shakeup: City Manager Curt Boganey Fired - CCX Media

The Brooklyn Center city council fired city manager Curt Boganey in a 4-1 vote on Monday afternoon. Dan Ryan voted against.

ccxmedia.org

 

[GOPerfect]

Here is the shooting!!

 

[GOPerfect]

By the by, I blame the driver more than I blame the cop that screwed up.

 

[Podmonkey]

These rioters need to be shot on sight.

 

[Phauxtoe]

By the by, I blame the driver more than I blame the cop that screwed up.

Yep somebody set the stage and it wasn’t the officer, but What a giant fuck up

 

[Deplorable Me]

Watch real close the wording of the media articles. Are they intentionally trying to avoid mentioning the gender of the police officer? Male suspect tries to go misogynist on female officer and gets his ass kicked. Feminism at it's best.

 

[Acer-m14]

Here is the shooting!!

they got him out of the car .. he seemed to go along easy .. so way didn't them take him to the rear of car to put the cuffs on .. ummm ..

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

By the by, I blame the driver more than I blame the cop that screwed up.

Again, it completely goes against the lefts narrative. No one was out hunting black people.

They appeared to be very polite, professional, even friendly. The guy had an outstanding warrant he never addressed and took it upon himself to resist arrest and attempt to flee. The female officer adrenaline took over made an error and he died. Her immediate reaction shows she felt terrible. She messed up but it never should have gotten to that point.

Don't have outstanding warrants
Don't resist arrest
Don't try to flee

It's sad and that but it could happen to anyone. It's not racist.

 

[speedkills27]

anyone know what the outstanding warrant was for?

 

[Celt]

Again, it completely goes against the lefts narrative. No one was out hunting black people.

They appeared to be very polite, professional, even friendly. The guy had an outstanding warrant he never addressed and took it upon himself to resist arrest and attempt to flee. The female officer adrenaline took over made an error and he died. Her immediate reaction shows she felt terrible. She messed up but it never should have gotten to that point.

Don't have outstanding warrants
Don't resist arrest
Don't try to flee

It's sad and that but it could happen to anyone. It's not racist.

Agreed, but I have a question for everyone to try and gain perspective. If you were a younger black male, and all you hear from the news is that cops are racist and kill young black men for jaywalking would you feel "safe" with any police interactions (regardless if its realistic or not)?

Im in no way justifying the illegal behavior that led to the situation, but I look at this as if a mass gun confiscation order was given and normaly law abiding gun owners were being rounded up and some were being killed during attempted confiscations. I think many here would not be so willing to go quietly.

I blame the media as much as anyone here. Their actions are having an effect on peoples mindset that puts them in a heightened state of fight or flight due to a false narrative. This is getting more people killed because both cops and people they interact with are more stressed. This plays right into the lefts strategy of divide/conquer/control.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Agreed, but I have a question for everyone to try and gain perspective. If you were a younger black male, and all you hear from the news is that cops are racist and kill young black men for jaywalking would you feel "safe" with any police interactions (regardless if its realistic or not)?

Im in no way justifying the illegal behavior that led to the situation, but I look at this as if a mass gun confiscation order was given and normaly law abiding gun owners were being rounded up and some were being killed during attempted confiscations. I think many here would not be so willing to go quietly.

I blame the media as much as anyone here. Their actions are having an effect on peoples mindset that puts them in a heightened state of fight or flight due to a false narrative. This is getting more people killed because both cops and people they interact with are more stressed. This plays right into the lefts strategy of divide/conquer/control.

Excellent and fair point

The media and left have been clearly deceitful and fomenting strife. They bear responsibility for many of these situations but will never be held to account.

What % of these scenarios would be avoided if the media wasn't reporting that cops are out hunting black men. I bet these scenarios would drop by 50%. There would be many who wouldn't try to flee/resist and would just handle their interaction with the police in a normal conversational manner.

 

[Jsmegs77]

This unfortunate incident brings up another point for me, and I’d really appreciate some LEO context if anyone wants.

How is it that one could deploy a firearm when intending to deploy a taser? I have observed many officers carrying a taser in the same fashion as a firearm, and I think that there should be a bit more separation, or rigorous training, to ensure one is not deploying deadly force instead of less than lethal.

 

[Toecutter]

I wonder if people really think they can jump in a car and run from police and actually get away.

Could a cop ask for your keys with your license and reg and hold them till the stop is over? Seems like that could stop people from running.

 

[Toecutter]

This unfortunate incident brings up another point for me, and I’d really appreciate some LEO context if anyone wants.

How is it that one could deploy a firearm when intending to deploy a taser? I have observed many officers carrying a taser in the same fashion as a firearm, and I think that there should be a bit more separation, or rigorous training, to ensure one is not deploying deadly force instead of less than lethal.

My brother carries a taser at the 11 o'clock position , there is seperation.

 

[spat]

This unfortunate incident brings up another point for me, and I’d really appreciate some LEO context if anyone wants.

How is it that one could deploy a firearm when intending to deploy a taser? I have observed many officers carrying a taser in the same fashion as a firearm, and I think that there should be a bit more separation, or rigorous training, to ensure one is not deploying deadly force instead of less than lethal.

IMHO this is taser's fault for making their device with the form of a firearm.

I realize that the design of a firearm is driven by the same functional considerations as a taser, but if the taser wasn't so similar to the firearm, it would be much harder to make that mistake.

People in charge frequently try to blame the rank and file for making mistakes, when it's really the systems and procedures they have put in place that make those mistakes inevitable.

 

[Phazer]

Do tasers have a different grip texture from standard pistols? Is it perceptible through gloves?

Should tasers be a different shape than a pistol? Perhaps, the form factor of a stout flashlight?

I know that tasers are a different color and usually deployed from support side holsters. But, under life-threatening stress, such differences may not be perceptible to the officer who is target-focused.

Others senses should be forced into play during stress. Tasers should be made to beep and vibrate when deployed. That way, an officer would know that they were indeed holding a taser and not a pistol.

Medical monitoring devices beep with tones that reflect variations in heart rate and oxygen saturation. This has been shown to improve patient monitoring by recruiting multiple operator sense pathways. Would such multisensorial "displays " by tasers be useful?

 

[FRB]

Hmmm..... Confuse a taser from a pistol that a person obviously knows they are carrying, please tell me how that is "an error" vs gross negligence? How could it not be gross negligence?

 

[fresch]

Make them like brass knuckles.

 

[fresch]

I'm out to get a 3D printer and corner the market!

 

[Jsmegs77]

Hmmm..... Confuse a taser from a pistol that a person obviously knows they are carrying, please tell me how that is "an error" vs gross negligence? How could it not be gross negligence?

My thought was gap in training/muscle memory plus similar shape/form factor plus extreme stress. I’m not going to accuse the cop of doing it intentionally, based on my perspective and extremely limited knowledge.

 

[spat]

Do tazers have a different grip texture from standard pistols? Is it perceptible through gloves?

Should tazers be a different shape than a pistol? Perhaps, the form factor of a stout flashlight?

I know that tazers are a different color and usually deployed from support side holsters. But, under life-threatening stress, such differences may not be perceptible to the officer who is target-focused.

Others senses should be forced into play during stress. Tazers should be made to beep and vibrate when deployed. That way, an officer would know that they were indeed holding a tazer and not a pistol.

Medical monitoring devices beep with tones that reflect variations in heart rate and oxygen saturation. This has been shown to improve patient monitoring by recruiting multiple operator sense pathways. Would such multisensorial "displays " by tazers be useful?

Tasers don't need to deal with recoil, and don't have anywhere near the potential for precision, so they could function well with a form factor like this.



The fact that it is actuated with the thumb instead of the index finger and gripped completely differently would make it very difficult to make that mistake.

 

[FRB]

Just shaking my head, officer number one, get the cuffs on him already, that was the only error I seen, he fumbled the ball right away. That lady cop, NO EXCUSE, there was hardly even any stress, so that is no excuse, it was not an error. It was a complete failure of the job at hand, it was gross negligence.

The rioters: animals will do as animals are trained to do. They are taught in the government schools there is no God. Taught that they come from rocks exploding that turned into living slime. Taught that slime turned into animals, that eventually became them. And we wonder why products of the government run schools of today act like animals when pressure is put on them? We taught them that they are animals, that life is meaningless, kill it if you get pregnant if you so desire. Life has no value. Are a boy and feel like you are a girl, become a girl. Are a girl and feel like you are a boy, become a boy. You are a boy and love a boy, go for it, there is no God, it does not matter what some book out there we have banned in the school says about it being an abomination to the Creator God.

We need a third great awakening in America or we are doomed to way more madness.

 

[GOPerfect]

This unfortunate incident brings up another point for me, and I’d really appreciate some LEO context if anyone wants.

How is it that one could deploy a firearm when intending to deploy a taser? I have observed many officers carrying a taser in the same fashion as a firearm, and I think that there should be a bit more separation, or rigorous training, to ensure one is not deploying deadly force instead of less than lethal.

Not sure how the mistake could be made aside from done really huge human error as well as lack of individual training.

The two weapons are completely different; color, weight, feel as well as location on body.

No excuse at all for this error. None!

 

[Celt]

I wonder if people really think they can jump in a car and run from police and actually get away.

Could a cop ask for your keys with your license and reg and hold them till the stop is over? Seems like that could stop people from running.

I'd say no as thats your personal property, and people would probably try to run before it got to that point. That's just my thoughts on it.

 

[speedkills27]

this is where where we as a society desperately need need police reform.
1- increase funding to departments who will be contractually obligated to use the funds for increased training of existing officers, and hire new ones. With an increase in staffing, it becomes a lot easier rotating officers in and out of training modules
2- greater physical and psychological standards for all officers. Officers should be in good to great physical conditioning for their age and weight. They should be able to recognize the different situations of each call and be able to respond accordingly and change their approach appropriately.
3- lower the threshold for qualified immunity standards. The need to protect officers from frivolous suits is real but situations as presented in his thread need to be addressed. In most other professions if your mistake costs someone their life or grievous bodily injury, that person is held accountable.
4- (not necessarily police reform but related) reduce the amount of bullshit, victimless crime laws on the books. We absolutely have to much police presence for revenue generation. The idea being this will free up officers to attend to more pressing calls with better response time and hopefully improve moral.

 

[Jsmegs77]

I’ve been asked for my keys in a traffic stop before. Politely declined and the officer didn’t press it. Out of courtesy I did remove them from the ignition and set them on the dash though.

 

[Steal2B]

Not sure how the mistake could be made aside from done really huge human error as well as lack of individual training.

The two weapons are completely different; color, weight, feel as well as location on body.

No excuse at all for this error. None!

Inadequate training is likely a major contributing cause. Without enough physical training to establish or maintain muscle memories, during a high stress situation there is a probable loss of fine motor skills and a primative cognitive tunnel vision (where some sensory inputs of vision, sounds, sensory touch and smells are cognitively not processed by the brain). Those normal human responses to fear / stress greatly increase the probability of an outcome like this. It is normal for most untrained or inexperienced humans to lose fine motor skills and undergo cognitive tunnel vision focus during a high fear response. This was a predictable outcome. Not an excuse. Just the facts.

 

[GOPerfect]

Inadequate training is likely a major contributing cause. Without enough physical training to establish or maintain muscle memories, during a high stress situation there is a probable loss of fine motor skills and a primative cognitive tunnel vision (where some sensory inputs of vision, sounds, sensory touch and smells are cognitively not processed by the brain). Those normal human responses to fear / stress greatly increase the probability of an outcome like this. It is normal for most untrained or inexperienced humans to lose fine motor skills and undergo cognitive tunnel vision focus during a high fear response. This was a predictable outcome. Not an excuse. Just the facts.

I went to our qualification range two weeks ago. It really amazes me how many only train on qual day. There were people there laughing about how their guns haven't been out of their holsters since last qual day.

This is how mistakes and errors are made.