The Disease is Getting Worse - Push to Legalize Incest

[1075tech]

New York parent seeks OK to marry their own adult child

I take my child to be my lawfully wedded spouse … A New Yorker who wants to marry their own adult offspring is suing to overturn laws barring the incestuous practice, calling it a matter of &…

nypost.com

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Not a surprise. The way things are going there most likely will be people who want to marry their dog or other pet.

 

[holdover]

Those mother fuckers.

 

[Saltwater60]

If you look at how gay marriage was justified they have nothing to stop this. I see this, polygamy, and pedophilia being legal/accepted. They are already trying to justify pedophilia people as mentally ill?

 

[dwa12479]

“Through the enduring bond of marriage, two persons, whatever relationship they might otherwise have with one another, can find a greater level of expression, intimacy and spirituality,” the parent argues in the Manhattan federal court claim filed April 1.

Are we being played?

 

[Deplorable Me]

Most democrats don't know who daddy is anyway.

 

[fresch]

Are we being played?

Every day, every minute.

 

[Dr. Evil]

And so starts the push for leaving this state.

 

[Mosinitis]

The whole concept of cultural standards on sexuality was rejected in this country and Europe. Who is going to set the limits now?

 

[Darth]

Not my business what two consenting adults do.

 

[Darth]

The whole concept of cultural standards on sexuality was rejected in this country and Europe. Who is going to set the limits now?

What limits and why do we need them?

 

[Darth]

If you look at how gay marriage was justified they have nothing to stop this. I see this, polygamy, and pedophilia being legal/accepted. They are already trying to justify pedophilia people as mentally ill?

Well no, this is what the anti gay marriage people always do.

There is nothing wrong with polygamy berween commenting adults and pedophilia does not involve consenting adults. Where is the confusion?

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Well no, this is what the anti gay marriage people always do.

There is nothing wrong with polygamy berween commenting adults and pedophilia does not involve consenting adults. Where is the confusion?

Inbreds are bad, mkay?

You cannot extend kinship to existing kin. That's how you end up with english teeth.

 

[Darth]

Inbreds are bad, mkay?

You cannot extend kinship to existing kin. That's how you end up with english teeth.

And this is the government's problem because...?

 

[prambo]

I thought we were "Slouching Towards Gomorrah" - guess it's a full on sprint now.

Getting old is so very attractive now - I'm going out and having another cigarette...see if I can move things along some...

You young guys (anyone under 60) are in for a real ride...

 

[spat]

Not my business what two consenting adults do.

Maybe not (although them actually procreating adds a whole other dimension, not to mention a potential victim).

But when you accept that the logical conclusion of all this is legalized pedophilia things get much messier.

 

[SonOfSun]

If you look at how gay marriage was justified they have nothing to stop this.

What do you mean by justified? Why do consenting adults need to justify whatever personal relationships they want to have to the government? Seems like you're in favor of govt. control, as long as it goes along with what you prefer. Would you like it if it was the other way around? If not, why do you think you should be able to force your prefered relationship style on someone else, but them not be able to force their style on you?

I see this, polygamy, and pedophilia being legal/accepted. They are already trying to justify pedophilia people as mentally ill?

Polygamy and pedos aren't anywhere close to the same thing. One involves taking advantage of minors the other involves adults that all agree on that relationship. As above polygamy should be legal following the same logic (govt. shouldn't be involved in consensual adult relationships). Pedos taking advantage of minors should dedinitely not be legal.

 

[spat]

Well no, this is what the anti gay marriage people always do.

There is nothing wrong with polygamy berween commenting adults and pedophilia does not involve consenting adults. Where is the confusion?

The anti gay marriage people laid out the logical course of action this would take right to pedophilia.

Things are proceeding exactly as they predicted.

So, yes, this is what they "always do". They predict the existence of a slippery slope every time we slide down it.

Would they be better off it they acted surprised ?

Just like the RKBA folks predict that every round of new gun control will lead to demands for even more gun control.


And, no, this isn't the libertarian way. The libertarian way would be to eliminate the governments power to sanction marriage at all. Just changing what groups they will bless is not libertarianism.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

What limits and why do we need them?

I " assume" what is meant by limits is moral standards. If there are no "moral" standards then We all can be classified as animals. Moral standards have been almost completely destroyed in the past 70 years or so. Part of "moral standards" is respect. No one has respect for anybody out there. It's a "Me" world out there. Watch out for ME...what's in it for Me? What can be done for Me? I DESERVE .....The US is imploding like the Roman Empire did centuries ago. From within.

 

[Darth]

Maybe not (although them actually procreating adds a whole other dimension, not to mention a potential victim).

But when you accept that the logical conclusion of all this is legalized pedophilia things get much messier.

Except that is in no way the logical conclusion any more than "if we allow 30 round mags, the next thing you know toddlers will be forced to take AK47s to pre school"

Utter nonsense.

 

[Darth]

The anti gay marriage people laid out the logical course of action this would take right to pedophilia.

Things are proceeding exactly as they predicted.

So, yes, this is what they "always do". They predict the existence of a slippery slope every time we slide down it.

Would they be better off it they acted surprised ?

Just like the RKBA folks predict that every round of new gun control will lead to demands for even more gun control.


And, no, this isn't the libertarian way. The libertarian way would be to eliminate the governments power to sanction marriage at all. Just changing what groups they will bless is not libertarianism.

Describe, briefly, how "consenting adults should be able to do whatever they wish" leads to pedophilia.

Not wanting the government to ban this particular marriage is not mutually exclusive when paired with "government should not be in the marriage business at all."

 

[Darth]

I " assume" what is meant by limits is moral standards. If there are no "moral" standards then We all can be classified as animals. Moral standards have been almost completely destroyed in the past 70 years or so. Part of "moral standards" is respect. No one has respect for anybody out there. It's a "Me" world out there. Watch out for ME...what's in it for Me? What can be done for Me? I DESERVE .....The US is imploding like the Roman Empire did centuries ago. From within.

We are animals.

And animals do have moral standards by which they live.

Nobody has respect for anyone or there? Does that include yourself? It doesn't include me, that I know. So where are you getting this?

 

[spat]

Except that is in no way the logical conclusion any more than "if we allow 30 round mags, the next thing you know toddlers will be forced to take AK47s to pre school"

Utter nonsense.

It is the logical conclusion if you have ever read a history book.

There is a very recognizable pattern, and we are following it to a T.

 

[holdover]

Now, many many years ago
When I was twenty three
I was married to a widow
Who was pretty as could be
This widow had a grown-up daughter
Had hair of red
My father fell in love with her
And soon the two were wed
This made my dad my son-in-law
And changed my very life
My daughter was my mother
'Cause she was my father's wife
To complicate the matters
Even though it brought me joy
I soon became the father
Of a bouncing baby boy
My little baby then became
A brother-in-law to dad
And so became my uncle
Though it made me very sad
For if he was my uncle
That also made him the brother
Of the widow's grown-up daughter
Who, of course, was my step-mother
I'm my own grandpa
I'm my own grandpa
It sounds funny I know
But it really is so
I'm my own grandpa

My father's wife then had a son
That kept them on the run
And he became my grandchild
For he was my daughter's son
My wife is now my mother's mother
And it makes me blue
Because, she is my wife
She's my grandmother too

I'm my own grandpa
I'm my own grandpa

It sounds funny I know
But it really is so
I'm my own grandpa
Now, if my wife is my grandmother
Then, I am her grandchild
And every time I think of it
It nearly drives me wild
For now I have become
The strangest case you ever saw
As husband of my grandmother

I am my own grandpa
I'm my own grandpa
I'm my own grandpa
It sounds funny I know
But it really is so
I'm my own grandpa



(1) I'm My Own Grandpa - Diagrammed - YouTube

 

[Darth]

It is the logical conclusion if you have ever read a history book.

There is a very recognizable pattern, and we are following it to a T.

Hmm...a lot say "governments got too big and ruined everything."

 

[spat]

Describe, briefly, how "consenting adults should be able to do whatever they wish" leads to pedophilia.

Not wanting the government to ban this particular marriage is not mutually exclusive when paired with "government should not be in the marriage business at all."

The logic of "consenting adults should be able to do what they wish" doesn't lead to pedophilia.

But many of the most powerful people making that argument are doing so for the express purpose of eventually reaching that goal.

So, while it doesn't follow directly from the logic of the statement, it is logical to conclude that is where this is heading.

You are welcome to remain willfully blind to the way the world works, and human nature.

But don't expect sympathy when you are unpleasantly surprised by the endpoint.

 

[spat]

Hmm...a lot say "governments got too big and ruined everything."

That's the abridged version.

Kinda like saying "Warren Buffet got rich by buying low and selling high"

If you want understand *how* that happens you have to dig a bit deeper.

 

[Darth]

The logic of "consenting adults should be able to do what they wish" doesn't lead to pedophilia.

But many of the most powerful people making that argument are doing so for the express purpose of eventually reaching that goal.

So, while it doesn't follow directly from the logic of the statement, it is logical to conclude that is where this is heading.

You are welcome to remail willfully blind to the way the world works, and human nature.

But don't expect sympathy when you are unpleasantly surprised by the endpoint.

Ok, so it doesn't "logically lead to" anything.

You "invent" a scenario and strawman because, let's face it, there is no actual problem beyond "ew I don't like it" and claim "well logically it leads to..."

Like I said, no different than the anti-gay nutters.

 

[Darth]

That's the abridged version.

Kinda like saying "Warren Buffet got rich by buying low and selling high"

If you want understand *how* that happens you have to dig a bit deeper.

Oh, that's right, I didn't read the footnotes, here they are:

"And the reason they got too big was because the got people to believe things they didn't personally like should be banned by said governments. Be it a kid running a lemonade stand without a license of being a jew."

 

[tirwin1]

If you can't see the problem then my guess is you are neither a husband or a father. And if you are then I feel very sorry for the other people.