New York City weekend bloodshed leaves 31 people shot, 6 killed: 'Welcome to the city of violence'

[Podmonkey]

Many are looking to get out.

Walking away from 100 Grand a year is not easy.

Lose the house, cars and child's education funds... Not that easy

You willing to give up everything?

I'm just saying I've lost all sympathy for blue area cops. If someone is too dumb to read the writing on the wall they get what they deserve. Furthermore I am at the point of if someone enforces evil laws for evil people then they deserve whatever evil befalls them.
Your aren’t going to engender any sympathy with me with the "but muh monies" argument. We all choose what to do with our lives, we are all responsible for our actions. These blue city cops are on the headsman's block, I'd think they'd do what they'd have to to avoid the final fall of the axe

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

the Left is playing the long game on fundamentally changing the US and the right isnt even playing in the same ballpark. They will call for defunding of police and more gun control until shit gets unbearable, innocent people will die. Then the left will call for their police to take over, much like the brown shirts of 1920s Germany the "new police" will enforce party doctrine, nowadays referred to as woke culture. The politicians on the right wont do anything, they're too afraid to stand up and be called whatever the insult of the day is. The US will slide into a soft socialist/Marxist type country and as long as the sheep have UFC, NFL and WIFI they will all go along with it.

They're moving the overton window towards their goal.

 

[Podmonkey]

They're moving the overton window towards their goal.

It will be their undoing too.

 

[holdover]

I agree with Tim of the TimCast channel. Cops in these blue cities should should all resign and let the animal denizens within do as they please. And the rest of us should form up posses that hunt down and put down any animal that wanders outside their shithole liberal city. And the cops should look the other way on this too. Let these leftist animal scum get what they deserve: chaos and death.
All blue cities should be quarantined Escape from New York style.

We are at the precipice ,We are going to start seeing more and more of this in the big citys. Its almost inevitable now. At some point this summer the guns will start coming out as the people try to protect thier own and police are overwhelmed Not so much a prediction , but just the next logical step.

Nothing happened to them after they looted burned destroyed the citys last year, They are going to do it again this year to the next level . And once the guns come out, the police are almost powerless to control it.

 

[Celt]

We are at the precipice ,We are going to start seeing more and more of this in the big citys. Its almost inevitable now. At some point this summer the guns will start coming out as the people try to protect thier own and police are overwhelmed Not so much a prediction , but just the next logical step.

Nothing happened to them after they looted burned destroyed the citys last year, They are going to do it again this year to the next level . And once the guns come out, the police are almost powerless to control it.

Any typically law abiding citizens that defend themselves with arms against armed thugs will feel the full weight of the law come down on them. The left doesnt care so much when animals kill themselves (its thinning the herd) but the CANNOT allow citizens to " take the law into their own hands"

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Many are looking to get out.

Walking away from 100 Grand a year is not easy.

Lose the house, cars and child's education funds... Not that easy

You willing to give up everything?

Agreed, walking away from 6 figures isn't easy. BUT, we can have a $200k home with 50+ acres and NO close neighbors for the same, or even less, monthly payment. And, we live within our means, SO CC cards are for emergency use only, IF we don't have that amount set aside to pay cash. 2 empty nesters can live pretty cheap.

 

[GOPerfect]

Agreed, walking away from 6 figures isn't easy. BUT, we can have a $200k home with 50+ acres and NO close neighbors for the same, or even less, monthly payment. And, we live within our means, SO CC cards are for emergency use only, IF we don't have that amount set aside to pay cash. 2 empty nesters can live pretty cheap.

Oh, I get that. I watch my finances as close as possible. I was just telling another member the other day about how cheap and frugal I am.

I owe near nothing to anyone. No CC bills. No auto payments. Normal life bills only.

I am thinking more of those that have a family. I have co-workers that this is their only income, wife and 3-4 kids.

It would be very irresponsible for these people to just walk away. Family and self should always be near the top of the importance list.

These people that say, Just Walk Away; I would to see them do the same.

Retirement is rather important as well. Most private companies these days have no retirement. Same as the Medical coverage. I could not imagine too many having a better plan than most Government workers. Got a sick kid? Yeah, quit the job and not be able to get treatment for that child.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Oh, I get that. I watch my finances as close as possible. I was just telling another member the other day about how cheap and frugal I am.

I owe near nothing to anyone. No CC bills. No auto payments. Normal life bills only.

I am thinking more of those that have a family. I have co-workers that this is their only income, wife and 3-4 kids.

It would be very irresponsible for these people to just walk away. Family and self should always be near the top of the importance list.

These people that say, Just Walk Away; I would to see them do the same.

Retirement is rather important as well. Most private companies these days have no retirement. Same as the Medical coverage. I could not imagine too many having a better plan than most Government workers. Got a sick kid? Yeah, quit the job and not be able to get treatment for that child.

That I understand.

 

[spat]

Many are looking to get out.

Walking away from 100 Grand a year is not easy.

Lose the house, cars and child's education funds... Not that easy

You willing to give up everything?

100 grand in NYC isn't much.

50 in upstate is probably better.

 

[GOPerfect]

100 grand in NYC isn't much.

50 in upstate is probably better.

I cannot speak for what cops are making in other places, I only speak about the Buffalo area.

100 Grand in the Buffalo area is rather nice.

 

[spat]

I cannot speak for what cops are making in other places, I only speak about the Buffalo area.

100 Grand in the Buffalo area is rather nice.

I'd rather take 100k in buffalo than 400k in NYC.

And if you have kids ?

Do anything you have to to get them out of NYC schools. Sell a kidney, flip burgers after hours, whatever it takes.

 

[GOPerfect]

I'd rather take 100k in buffalo than 400k in NYC.

And if you have kids ?

Do anything you have to to get them out of NYC schools. Sell a kidney, flip burgers after hours, whatever it takes.

This is another thing that I need to consider, my son's school is freaking awesome. He has one more year until graduation.

I will not cut off my nose to spite my face.

 

[Blimey]

I'm just saying I've lost all sympathy for blue area cops. If someone is too dumb to read the writing on the wall they get what they deserve. Furthermore I am at the point of if someone enforces evil laws for evil people then they deserve whatever evil befalls them.
Your aren’t going to engender any sympathy with me with the "but muh monies" argument. We all choose what to do with our lives, we are all responsible for our actions. These blue city cops are on the headsman's block, I'd think they'd do what they'd have to to avoid the final fall of the axe

I have sympathy for somebody who entered a decent profession with a long history of being a good job and then, through no fault of their own, almost overnight the profession becomes shit. It's tough to switch careers later in life.

Guys who are caught mid-career are between a rock and a hard place with this. People who are still working just to save more pension cash they don't need should leave. And new cops should not become one, but the rest are caught in the middle and it's hard to bail and go to another job entirely.

 

[holdover]

Any typically law abiding citizens that defend themselves with arms against armed thugs will feel the full weight of the law come down on them. The left doesnt care so much when animals kill themselves (its thinning the herd) but the CANNOT allow citizens to " take the law into their own hands"

Yeah,I agree, but its still going to happen as this shit escalates. Anyone defending themselves will be demonized .Once that reality sets in it may get even worse.

 

[spat]

Yeah,I agree, but its still going to happen as this shit escalates. Anyone defending themselves will be demonized .Once that reality sets in it may get even worse.

At some point it becomes advisable to it cover up and take your chances of being caught rather than call the cops and take your chances in court.

We're not there yet, but I can see it coming in some areas.

 

[holdover]

Did you ever read Prairie fire by Former Green Beret Clay Martin? He sees things a lot like us , Great book on what needs to be done in case things go South

Prairie Fire: Guidebook for Surviving Civil War 2: Martin, Clay: 9798697913628: Amazon.com: Books

Concrete Jungle: A Green Beret's guide to Urban Survival: Martin, Clay: 9798652385965: Amazon.com: Books

 

[Celt]

@holdover

This is a little confusing, it says its a quote by me but did you mean to tag me instead of quoting me?

 

[1075tech]

My son went back and forth with leaving. When he first started, his goal was to make sergeant by the time he was 30. 3 years in, he had nearly 40 felony arrests. When he made the decision to leave, he said it wasn't easy, but it would be harder once he reached top pay.

He took a 12k pay cut but more than made up for that with no commuting costs and lower taxes.

And he's in a city where, for the most part, they support the police

 

[holdover]

My son went back and forth with leaving. When he first started, his goal was to make sergeant by the time he was 30. 3 years in, he had nearly 40 felony arrests.

No wonder he didnt get promoted. What kind of cop gets arrested 40 times!!! and still gets promoted!

 

[holdover]

@holdover


This is a little confusing, it says its a quote by me but did you mean to tag me instead of quoting me?

Yep, I was recommending a few books.

 

[Big John]

When it comes to the subject of killings, riots, burnings or other such bullshit it is incumbent on the people to defend themselves against ASSHOLIC BEHAVIER! THE STATES LAWS ALLOW FOR SUCH DEFENSE!


35.05 Justification; generally.

Unless otherwise limited by the ensuing provisions of this article defining justifiable use of physical force, conduct which would otherwise constitute an offense is justifiable and not criminal when:

1. Such conduct is required or authorized by law or by a judicial

decree, or is performed by a public servant in the reasonable exercise

of his official powers, duties or functions; or

2. Such conduct is necessary as an emergency measure to avoid an

imminent public or private injury which is about to occur by reason of a

situation occasioned or developed through no fault of the actor, and

which is of such gravity that, according to ordinary standards of

intelligence and morality, the desirability and urgency of avoiding such

injury clearly outweigh the desirability of avoiding the injury sought

to be prevented by the statute defining the offense in issue. The

necessity and justifiability of such conduct may not rest upon

considerations pertaining only to the morality and advisability of the

statute, either in its general application or with respect to its

application to a particular class of cases arising thereunder. Whenever

evidence relating to the defense of justification under this subdivision

is offered by the defendant, the court shall rule as a matter of law

whether the claimed facts and circumstances would, if established,

constitute a defense.

35.10 Justification; use of physical force generally.

The use of physical force upon another person which would otherwise

Constitute an offense is justifiable and not criminal under any of the

Following circumstances:

1. A parent, guardian or other person entrusted with the care and

Supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one or an incompetent

Person, and a teacher or other person entrusted with the care and

Supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one for a special

Purpose, may use physical force, but not deadly physical force, upon

Such person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it

Necessary to maintain discipline or to promote the welfare of such

person.

2. A warden or other authorized official of a jail, prison or

Correctional institution may, in order to maintain order and discipline,

use such physical force as is authorized by the correction law.

3. A person responsible for the maintenance of order in a common

carrier of passengers, or a person acting under his direction, may use

physical force when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it

necessary to maintain order, but he may use deadly physical force only

when he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent death or serious

physical injury.

4. A person acting under a reasonable belief that another person is

about to commit suicide or to inflict serious physical injury upon

himself may use physical force upon such person to the extent that he

reasonably believes it necessary to thwart such result.

5. A duly licensed physician, or a person acting under a physician's

direction, may use physical force for the purpose of administering a

recognized form of treatment which he or she reasonably believes to be

adapted to promoting the physical or mental health of the patient if (a)

the treatment is administered with the consent of the patient or, if the

patient is under the age of eighteen years or an incompetent person,

with the consent of the parent, guardian or other person entrusted with

the patient's care and supervision, or (b) the treatment is administered

in an emergency when the physician reasonably believes that no one

competent to consent can be consulted and that a reasonable person,

wishing to safeguard the welfare of the patient, would consent.

6. A person may, pursuant to the ensuing provisions of this article,

use physical force upon another person in self-defense or defense of a

third person, or in defense of premises, or in order to prevent larceny

of or criminal mischief to property, or in order to effect an arrest or

prevent an escape from custody. Whenever a person is authorized by any

such provision to use deadly physical force in any given circumstance,

nothing contained in any other such provision may be deemed to negate or

qualify such authorization.

35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person.

1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use

physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she

reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself, herself or a

third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or

imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person, unless:

(a) The latter's conduct was provoked by the actor with intent to

cause physical injury to another person; or

(b) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case the

use of physical force is nevertheless justifiable if the actor has

withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such

withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing

the incident by the use or threatened imminent use of unlawful physical

force; or

35.20 Justification; use of physical force in defense of premises and

in defense of a person in the course of burglary.

1. Any person may use physical force upon another person when he or

she reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate

what he or she reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted

commission by such other person of a crime involving damage to premises.

Such person may use any degree of physical force, other than deadly

physical force, which he or she reasonably believes to be necessary for

such purpose, and may use deadly physical force if he or she reasonably

believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or

attempted commission of arson.

2. A person in possession or control of any premises, or a person

licensed or privileged to be thereon or therein, may use physical force

upon another person when he or she reasonably believes such to be

necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she reasonably believes to

be the commission or attempted commission by such other person of a

criminal trespass upon such premises. Such person may use any degree of

physical force, other than deadly physical force, which he or she

reasonably believes to be necessary for such purpose, and may use deadly

physical force in order to prevent or terminate the commission or

attempted commission of arson, as prescribed in subdivision one, or in

the course of a burglary or attempted burglary, as prescribed in

subdivision three.

3. A person in possession or control of, or licensed or privileged to

be in, a dwelling or an occupied building, who reasonably believes that

another person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such

dwelling or building, may use deadly physical force upon such other

person when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to

prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of such

burglary.



35.25 Justification; use of physical force to prevent or terminate

larceny or criminal mischief.

A person may use physical force, other than deadly physical force,

upon another person when and to the extent that he or she reasonably

believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she

reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission by such

other person of larceny or of criminal mischief with respect to property

other than premises.

35.30 Justification; use of physical force in making an arrest or in

preventing an escape.

1. A police officer or a peace officer, in the course of effecting or

attempting to effect an arrest, or of preventing or attempting to

prevent the escape from custody, of a person whom he or she reasonably

believes to have committed an offense, may use physical force when and

to the extent he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to

effect the arrest, or to prevent the escape from custody, or in

self-defense or to defend a third person from what he or she reasonably

believes to be the use or imminent use of physical force; except that

deadly physical force may be used for such purposes only when he or she

reasonably believes that:

(a) The offense committed by such person was:

(i) a felony or an attempt to commit a felony involving the use or

attempted use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a

person; or

(ii) kidnapping, arson, escape in the first degree, burglary in the

first degree or any attempt to commit such a crime; or

(b) The offense committed or attempted by such person was a felony and

that, in the course of resisting arrest therefor or attempting to escape

from custody, such person is armed with a firearm or deadly weapon; or

(c) Regardless of the particular offense which is the subject of the

arrest or attempted escape, the use of deadly physical force is

necessary to defend the police officer or peace officer or another

person from what the officer reasonably believes to be the use or

imminent use of deadly physical force.

2. The fact that a police officer or a peace officer is justified in

using deadly physical force under circumstances prescribed in paragraphs

(a) and (b) of subdivision one does not constitute justification for

reckless conduct by such police officer or peace officer amounting to an

offense against or with respect to innocent persons whom he or she is

not seeking to arrest or retain in custody.

3. A person who has been directed by a police officer or a peace

officer to assist such police officer or peace officer to effect an

arrest or to prevent an escape from custody may use physical force,

other than deadly physical force, when and to the extent that he or she

reasonably believes such to be necessary to carry out such police

officer's or peace officer's direction, unless he or she knows that the

arrest or prospective arrest is not or was not authorized and may use

deadly physical force under such circumstances when:

(a) He or she reasonably believes such to be necessary for

self-defense or to defend a third person from what he or she reasonably

believes to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical force; or

(b) He or she is directed or authorized by such police officer or

peace officer to use deadly physical force unless he or she knows that

the police officer or peace officer is not authorized to use deadly

physical force under the circumstances.

4. A private person acting on his or her own account may use physical

force, other than deadly physical force, upon another person when and to

the extent that he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to

effect an arrest or to prevent the escape from custody of a person whom

he or she reasonably believes to have committed an offense and who in

fact has committed such offense; and may use deadly physical force for

such purpose when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to:

(a) Defend himself, herself or a third person from what he or she

reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical

force; or

(b) Effect the arrest of a person who has committed murder,

manslaughter in the first degree, robbery, forcible rape or forcible

criminal sexual act and who is in immediate flight therefrom.

5. A guard, police officer or peace officer who is charged with the

duty of guarding prisoners in a detention facility, as that term is

defined in section 205.00, or while in transit to or from a detention

facility, may use physical force when and to the extent that he or she

reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent the escape of a

prisoner from a detention facility or from custody while in transit

thereto or therefrom.

 

[Robin]

When it comes to the subject of killings, riots, burnings or other such bullshit it is incumbent on the people to defend themselves against ASSHOLIC BEHAVIER! THE STATES LAWS ALLOW FOR SUCH DEFENSE!


35.05 Justification; generally.

Unless otherwise limited by the ensuing provisions of this article defining justifiable use of physical force, conduct which would otherwise constitute an offense is justifiable and not criminal when:

1. Such conduct is required or authorized by law or by a judicial

decree, or is performed by a public servant in the reasonable exercise

of his official powers, duties or functions; or

2. Such conduct is necessary as an emergency measure to avoid an

imminent public or private injury which is about to occur by reason of a

situation occasioned or developed through no fault of the actor, and

which is of such gravity that, according to ordinary standards of

intelligence and morality, the desirability and urgency of avoiding such

injury clearly outweigh the desirability of avoiding the injury sought

to be prevented by the statute defining the offense in issue. The

necessity and justifiability of such conduct may not rest upon

considerations pertaining only to the morality and advisability of the

statute, either in its general application or with respect to its

application to a particular class of cases arising thereunder. Whenever

evidence relating to the defense of justification under this subdivision

is offered by the defendant, the court shall rule as a matter of law

whether the claimed facts and circumstances would, if established,

constitute a defense.

35.10 Justification; use of physical force generally.

The use of physical force upon another person which would otherwise

Constitute an offense is justifiable and not criminal under any of the

Following circumstances:

1. A parent, guardian or other person entrusted with the care and

Supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one or an incompetent

Person, and a teacher or other person entrusted with the care and

Supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one for a special

Purpose, may use physical force, but not deadly physical force, upon

Such person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it

Necessary to maintain discipline or to promote the welfare of such

person.

2. A warden or other authorized official of a jail, prison or

Correctional institution may, in order to maintain order and discipline,

use such physical force as is authorized by the correction law.

3. A person responsible for the maintenance of order in a common

carrier of passengers, or a person acting under his direction, may use

physical force when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it

necessary to maintain order, but he may use deadly physical force only

when he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent death or serious

physical injury.

4. A person acting under a reasonable belief that another person is

about to commit suicide or to inflict serious physical injury upon

himself may use physical force upon such person to the extent that he

reasonably believes it necessary to thwart such result.

5. A duly licensed physician, or a person acting under a physician's

direction, may use physical force for the purpose of administering a

recognized form of treatment which he or she reasonably believes to be

adapted to promoting the physical or mental health of the patient if (a)

the treatment is administered with the consent of the patient or, if the

patient is under the age of eighteen years or an incompetent person,

with the consent of the parent, guardian or other person entrusted with

the patient's care and supervision, or (b) the treatment is administered

in an emergency when the physician reasonably believes that no one

competent to consent can be consulted and that a reasonable person,

wishing to safeguard the welfare of the patient, would consent.

6. A person may, pursuant to the ensuing provisions of this article,

use physical force upon another person in self-defense or defense of a

third person, or in defense of premises, or in order to prevent larceny

of or criminal mischief to property, or in order to effect an arrest or

prevent an escape from custody. Whenever a person is authorized by any

such provision to use deadly physical force in any given circumstance,

nothing contained in any other such provision may be deemed to negate or

qualify such authorization.

35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person.

1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use

physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she

reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself, herself or a

third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or

imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person, unless:

(a) The latter's conduct was provoked by the actor with intent to

cause physical injury to another person; or

(b) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case the

use of physical force is nevertheless justifiable if the actor has

withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such

withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing

the incident by the use or threatened imminent use of unlawful physical

force; or

35.20 Justification; use of physical force in defense of premises and

in defense of a person in the course of burglary.

1. Any person may use physical force upon another person when he or

she reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate

what he or she reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted

commission by such other person of a crime involving damage to premises.

Such person may use any degree of physical force, other than deadly

physical force, which he or she reasonably believes to be necessary for

such purpose, and may use deadly physical force if he or she reasonably

believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or

attempted commission of arson.

2. A person in possession or control of any premises, or a person

licensed or privileged to be thereon or therein, may use physical force

upon another person when he or she reasonably believes such to be

necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she reasonably believes to

be the commission or attempted commission by such other person of a

criminal trespass upon such premises. Such person may use any degree of

physical force, other than deadly physical force, which he or she

reasonably believes to be necessary for such purpose, and may use deadly

physical force in order to prevent or terminate the commission or

attempted commission of arson, as prescribed in subdivision one, or in

the course of a burglary or attempted burglary, as prescribed in

subdivision three.

3. A person in possession or control of, or licensed or privileged to

be in, a dwelling or an occupied building, who reasonably believes that

another person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such

dwelling or building, may use deadly physical force upon such other

person when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to

prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of such

burglary.



35.25 Justification; use of physical force to prevent or terminate

larceny or criminal mischief.

A person may use physical force, other than deadly physical force,

upon another person when and to the extent that he or she reasonably

believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she

reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission by such

other person of larceny or of criminal mischief with respect to property

other than premises.

35.30 Justification; use of physical force in making an arrest or in

preventing an escape.

1. A police officer or a peace officer, in the course of effecting or

attempting to effect an arrest, or of preventing or attempting to

prevent the escape from custody, of a person whom he or she reasonably

believes to have committed an offense, may use physical force when and

to the extent he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to

effect the arrest, or to prevent the escape from custody, or in

self-defense or to defend a third person from what he or she reasonably

believes to be the use or imminent use of physical force; except that

deadly physical force may be used for such purposes only when he or she

reasonably believes that:

(a) The offense committed by such person was:

(i) a felony or an attempt to commit a felony involving the use or

attempted use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a

person; or

(ii) kidnapping, arson, escape in the first degree, burglary in the

first degree or any attempt to commit such a crime; or

(b) The offense committed or attempted by such person was a felony and

that, in the course of resisting arrest therefor or attempting to escape

from custody, such person is armed with a firearm or deadly weapon; or

(c) Regardless of the particular offense which is the subject of the

arrest or attempted escape, the use of deadly physical force is

necessary to defend the police officer or peace officer or another

person from what the officer reasonably believes to be the use or

imminent use of deadly physical force.

2. The fact that a police officer or a peace officer is justified in

using deadly physical force under circumstances prescribed in paragraphs

(a) and (b) of subdivision one does not constitute justification for

reckless conduct by such police officer or peace officer amounting to an

offense against or with respect to innocent persons whom he or she is

not seeking to arrest or retain in custody.

3. A person who has been directed by a police officer or a peace

officer to assist such police officer or peace officer to effect an

arrest or to prevent an escape from custody may use physical force,

other than deadly physical force, when and to the extent that he or she

reasonably believes such to be necessary to carry out such police

officer's or peace officer's direction, unless he or she knows that the

arrest or prospective arrest is not or was not authorized and may use

deadly physical force under such circumstances when:

(a) He or she reasonably believes such to be necessary for

self-defense or to defend a third person from what he or she reasonably

believes to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical force; or

(b) He or she is directed or authorized by such police officer or

peace officer to use deadly physical force unless he or she knows that

the police officer or peace officer is not authorized to use deadly

physical force under the circumstances.

4. A private person acting on his or her own account may use physical

force, other than deadly physical force, upon another person when and to

the extent that he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to

effect an arrest or to prevent the escape from custody of a person whom

he or she reasonably believes to have committed an offense and who in

fact has committed such offense; and may use deadly physical force for

such purpose when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to:

(a) Defend himself, herself or a third person from what he or she

reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical

force; or

(b) Effect the arrest of a person who has committed murder,

manslaughter in the first degree, robbery, forcible rape or forcible

criminal sexual act and who is in immediate flight therefrom.

5. A guard, police officer or peace officer who is charged with the

duty of guarding prisoners in a detention facility, as that term is

defined in section 205.00, or while in transit to or from a detention

facility, may use physical force when and to the extent that he or she

reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent the escape of a

prisoner from a detention facility or from custody while in transit

thereto or therefrom.

In other words, buy a coat with pockets big enough to carry a lawyer, don't leave home without it.
Robin

 

[GOPerfect]

When it comes to the subject of killings, riots, burnings or other such bullshit it is incumbent on the people to defend themselves against ASSHOLIC BEHAVIER! THE STATES LAWS ALLOW FOR SUCH DEFENSE!


35.05 Justification; generally.

Unless otherwise limited by the ensuing provisions of this article defining justifiable use of physical force, conduct which would otherwise constitute an offense is justifiable and not criminal when:

1. Such conduct is required or authorized by law or by a judicial

decree, or is performed by a public servant in the reasonable exercise

of his official powers, duties or functions; or

2. Such conduct is necessary as an emergency measure to avoid an

imminent public or private injury which is about to occur by reason of a

situation occasioned or developed through no fault of the actor, and

which is of such gravity that, according to ordinary standards of

intelligence and morality, the desirability and urgency of avoiding such

injury clearly outweigh the desirability of avoiding the injury sought

to be prevented by the statute defining the offense in issue. The

necessity and justifiability of such conduct may not rest upon

considerations pertaining only to the morality and advisability of the

statute, either in its general application or with respect to its

application to a particular class of cases arising thereunder. Whenever

evidence relating to the defense of justification under this subdivision

is offered by the defendant, the court shall rule as a matter of law

whether the claimed facts and circumstances would, if established,

constitute a defense.

35.10 Justification; use of physical force generally.

The use of physical force upon another person which would otherwise

Constitute an offense is justifiable and not criminal under any of the

Following circumstances:

1. A parent, guardian or other person entrusted with the care and

Supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one or an incompetent

Person, and a teacher or other person entrusted with the care and

Supervision of a person under the age of twenty-one for a special

Purpose, may use physical force, but not deadly physical force, upon

Such person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it

Necessary to maintain discipline or to promote the welfare of such

person.

2. A warden or other authorized official of a jail, prison or

Correctional institution may, in order to maintain order and discipline,

use such physical force as is authorized by the correction law.

3. A person responsible for the maintenance of order in a common

carrier of passengers, or a person acting under his direction, may use

physical force when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it

necessary to maintain order, but he may use deadly physical force only

when he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent death or serious

physical injury.

4. A person acting under a reasonable belief that another person is

about to commit suicide or to inflict serious physical injury upon

himself may use physical force upon such person to the extent that he

reasonably believes it necessary to thwart such result.

5. A duly licensed physician, or a person acting under a physician's

direction, may use physical force for the purpose of administering a

recognized form of treatment which he or she reasonably believes to be

adapted to promoting the physical or mental health of the patient if (a)

the treatment is administered with the consent of the patient or, if the

patient is under the age of eighteen years or an incompetent person,

with the consent of the parent, guardian or other person entrusted with

the patient's care and supervision, or (b) the treatment is administered

in an emergency when the physician reasonably believes that no one

competent to consent can be consulted and that a reasonable person,

wishing to safeguard the welfare of the patient, would consent.

6. A person may, pursuant to the ensuing provisions of this article,

use physical force upon another person in self-defense or defense of a

third person, or in defense of premises, or in order to prevent larceny

of or criminal mischief to property, or in order to effect an arrest or

prevent an escape from custody. Whenever a person is authorized by any

such provision to use deadly physical force in any given circumstance,

nothing contained in any other such provision may be deemed to negate or

qualify such authorization.

35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person.

1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use

physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she

reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself, herself or a

third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or

imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person, unless:

(a) The latter's conduct was provoked by the actor with intent to

cause physical injury to another person; or

(b) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case the

use of physical force is nevertheless justifiable if the actor has

withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such

withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing

the incident by the use or threatened imminent use of unlawful physical

force; or

35.20 Justification; use of physical force in defense of premises and

in defense of a person in the course of burglary.

1. Any person may use physical force upon another person when he or

she reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate

what he or she reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted

commission by such other person of a crime involving damage to premises.

Such person may use any degree of physical force, other than deadly

physical force, which he or she reasonably believes to be necessary for

such purpose, and may use deadly physical force if he or she reasonably

believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or

attempted commission of arson.

2. A person in possession or control of any premises, or a person

licensed or privileged to be thereon or therein, may use physical force

upon another person when he or she reasonably believes such to be

necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she reasonably believes to

be the commission or attempted commission by such other person of a

criminal trespass upon such premises. Such person may use any degree of

physical force, other than deadly physical force, which he or she

reasonably believes to be necessary for such purpose, and may use deadly

physical force in order to prevent or terminate the commission or

attempted commission of arson, as prescribed in subdivision one, or in

the course of a burglary or attempted burglary, as prescribed in

subdivision three.

3. A person in possession or control of, or licensed or privileged to

be in, a dwelling or an occupied building, who reasonably believes that

another person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such

dwelling or building, may use deadly physical force upon such other

person when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to

prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of such

burglary.



35.25 Justification; use of physical force to prevent or terminate

larceny or criminal mischief.

A person may use physical force, other than deadly physical force,

upon another person when and to the extent that he or she reasonably

believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she

reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission by such

other person of larceny or of criminal mischief with respect to property

other than premises.

35.30 Justification; use of physical force in making an arrest or in

preventing an escape.

1. A police officer or a peace officer, in the course of effecting or

attempting to effect an arrest, or of preventing or attempting to

prevent the escape from custody, of a person whom he or she reasonably

believes to have committed an offense, may use physical force when and

to the extent he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to

effect the arrest, or to prevent the escape from custody, or in

self-defense or to defend a third person from what he or she reasonably

believes to be the use or imminent use of physical force; except that

deadly physical force may be used for such purposes only when he or she

reasonably believes that:

(a) The offense committed by such person was:

(i) a felony or an attempt to commit a felony involving the use or

attempted use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a

person; or

(ii) kidnapping, arson, escape in the first degree, burglary in the

first degree or any attempt to commit such a crime; or

(b) The offense committed or attempted by such person was a felony and

that, in the course of resisting arrest therefor or attempting to escape

from custody, such person is armed with a firearm or deadly weapon; or

(c) Regardless of the particular offense which is the subject of the

arrest or attempted escape, the use of deadly physical force is

necessary to defend the police officer or peace officer or another

person from what the officer reasonably believes to be the use or

imminent use of deadly physical force.

2. The fact that a police officer or a peace officer is justified in

using deadly physical force under circumstances prescribed in paragraphs

(a) and (b) of subdivision one does not constitute justification for

reckless conduct by such police officer or peace officer amounting to an

offense against or with respect to innocent persons whom he or she is

not seeking to arrest or retain in custody.

3. A person who has been directed by a police officer or a peace

officer to assist such police officer or peace officer to effect an

arrest or to prevent an escape from custody may use physical force,

other than deadly physical force, when and to the extent that he or she

reasonably believes such to be necessary to carry out such police

officer's or peace officer's direction, unless he or she knows that the

arrest or prospective arrest is not or was not authorized and may use

deadly physical force under such circumstances when:

(a) He or she reasonably believes such to be necessary for

self-defense or to defend a third person from what he or she reasonably

believes to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical force; or

(b) He or she is directed or authorized by such police officer or

peace officer to use deadly physical force unless he or she knows that

the police officer or peace officer is not authorized to use deadly

physical force under the circumstances.

4. A private person acting on his or her own account may use physical

force, other than deadly physical force, upon another person when and to

the extent that he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to

effect an arrest or to prevent the escape from custody of a person whom

he or she reasonably believes to have committed an offense and who in

fact has committed such offense; and may use deadly physical force for

such purpose when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to:

(a) Defend himself, herself or a third person from what he or she

reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical

force; or

(b) Effect the arrest of a person who has committed murder,

manslaughter in the first degree, robbery, forcible rape or forcible

criminal sexual act and who is in immediate flight therefrom.

5. A guard, police officer or peace officer who is charged with the

duty of guarding prisoners in a detention facility, as that term is

defined in section 205.00, or while in transit to or from a detention

facility, may use physical force when and to the extent that he or she

reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent the escape of a

prisoner from a detention facility or from custody while in transit

thereto or therefrom.

Too often too many people do not understand their Rights!

BTW, good to see you back. Been gone a bit??

 

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This is all because the NYC workers have to actually go into work because of the NYC Executive Order...