So, can they ask for forgiveness, receive it and do over and over as long as they try to get better?
US Catholic Bishops to Vote on Denying Biden Communion
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So, can they ask for forgiveness, receive it and do over and over as long as they try to get better?
technicalgadget
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Was just pointing some key differences between the Catholic Church and Christianity in general.
I believe it is well received that according to the Bible, there are two conditions for the forgiveness of sin. One being repentance and a sincere resolve to turn away from sin and to God, the other being unconditional forgiveness of others that commit sin onto you.
I suppose these are the correct common characteristics that we as humans must have to create a livable society.
I believe it is well received that according to the Bible, there are two conditions for the forgiveness of sin. One being repentance and a sincere resolve to turn away from sin and to God, the other being unconditional forgiveness of others that commit sin onto you.
I suppose these are the correct common characteristics that we as humans must have to create a livable society.
Robin
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Do they still hand out those indulgence's? Like an EZ pass on the thruway to the promised land, sin all your life, buy an indulgence and you be singing'
Robin
Robin
oc shooter
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I'm having a hard time finding the words separation of church and state in the constitution
First Amendment and Religion
The First Amendment has two provisions concerning religion: the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause. The Establishment clause prohibits the government from "establishing" a religion. The precise definition of "establishment" is unclear. Historically, it meant prohibiting state-sponsored churches, such as the Church of England.
Today, what constitutes an "establishment of religion" is often governed under the three-part test set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602 (1971). Under the "Lemon" test, government can assist religion only if (1) the primary purpose of the assistance is secular, (2) the assistance must neither promote nor inhibit religion, and (3) there is no excessive entanglement between church and state.
The Free Exercise Clause protects citizens' right to practice their religion as they please, so long as the practice does not run afoul of a "public morals" or a "compelling" governmental interest. For instance, in Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944), the Supreme Court held that a state could force the inoculation of children whose parents would not allow such action for religious reasons. The Court held that the state had an overriding interest in protecting public health and safety.
Sometimes the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause come into conflict. The federal courts help to resolve such conflicts, with the Supreme Court being the ultimate arbiter.
Check out similar cases related to Engel v. Vitale that deal with religion in schools and the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
First Amendment and Religion
The First Amendment has two provisions concerning religion: the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause. The Establishment clause prohibits the government from "establishing" a religion. The precise definition of "establishment" is unclear. Historically, it meant prohibiting state-sponsored churches, such as the Church of England.
Today, what constitutes an "establishment of religion" is often governed under the three-part test set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602 (1971). Under the "Lemon" test, government can assist religion only if (1) the primary purpose of the assistance is secular, (2) the assistance must neither promote nor inhibit religion, and (3) there is no excessive entanglement between church and state.
The Free Exercise Clause protects citizens' right to practice their religion as they please, so long as the practice does not run afoul of a "public morals" or a "compelling" governmental interest. For instance, in Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944), the Supreme Court held that a state could force the inoculation of children whose parents would not allow such action for religious reasons. The Court held that the state had an overriding interest in protecting public health and safety.
Sometimes the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause come into conflict. The federal courts help to resolve such conflicts, with the Supreme Court being the ultimate arbiter.
Check out similar cases related to Engel v. Vitale that deal with religion in schools and the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
First Amendment and Religion
I believe it is impossible, and, in fact, immoral to forgive transgressions when the perpetrator displays no remorse, and, in fact, is eager to transgress again.
To do do would trivialize any forgiveness of the truly repentant.
Yes.
A doctor that saved the slight of countless blind children who didn't belive in Jesus would go to hell and a mass murderer that accepted Jesus and asked for forgiveness would go to heaven in loony - town.
God is no idiot.
He knows whether, in your heart, you intend to sin again.
So no forgiveness follows the insincere.
I've not been to Confession in half a century.
I sin, and intend to until the day I die.
Hopefully God will weigh my bad against my good, as Anubis did.
Please don't assume everyone admires the Pope.
Some were better, some worse.
They are just men; I have never attributed any especial divinity to them.
As it should be.
God is no idiot.
Creates the world covered in life-sustaining water.
Most is undrinkable.
Something Something makes you more thankful for the tiny bit of water you can drink
Or, in many cases, you wind up dead.
Or, in many cases, you wind up dead.
Right and that's also a good thing cause now you learned his true lesson
spat
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There used to be a floating fee (indulgence), but they have relaxed that in the last few centuries....
spat
.950 JDJ
Trick is, in every case you wind up dead.Or, in many cases, you wind up dead.
Sometimes sooner, sometimes later, but it's a certainty.
UNDRINKABLE by who ?
Fish, Coral, Whales, Dolphins, and many more thrive on Salt Water.
Did God only create Humans ?
@CaseHardened ....
Why all the sad faces on my comments?
I am not the one that said all kinds of nasty thing about the Catholics, others did, not me. I mostly posed questions.
Without ever pushing my beliefs, I would be more than happy to answer questions posed about what I follow. No sad faces from me.
Back on topic, so, the church says it wants to basically boot Biden out of faith due to his stance on abortion. Do the teachings forbid abortion? Or is this a made up thing by the Catholic Church?
On the abortion issue, I find the entire process to be despicable and disgusting. My thoughts are based upon my own feelings; not religious.
Why all the sad faces on my comments?
I am not the one that said all kinds of nasty thing about the Catholics, others did, not me. I mostly posed questions.
Without ever pushing my beliefs, I would be more than happy to answer questions posed about what I follow. No sad faces from me.
Back on topic, so, the church says it wants to basically boot Biden out of faith due to his stance on abortion. Do the teachings forbid abortion? Or is this a made up thing by the Catholic Church?
On the abortion issue, I find the entire process to be despicable and disgusting. My thoughts are based upon my own feelings; not religious.
Please.
Who is worried about "Frowns" or "Laughs" ?
They are a Badge of Honor.
I was raised Catholic, but do disagree with their stance on Abortion. Which is why I would NEVER accept Communion, on the rare instances I am offerred it. I still respect the religion enough to avoid hypocrisy.
Still, I am digusted when a Politician purports to be of any faith, for Political purposes, while acting contrary to that Religions undisputed basic tenets.
When Catholic Hierarchy treats their Political "Benefactors" in accordance to the faith, rather than immediate political advantage, is the day I begin to regain respect.
Excommonicate those who publically urge others to sin.
That's cool.
Sadly, there are those who are not serious enough to think anything through.
So they giggle, cackle, and laugh.
It makes them feel superior, and does indeed fool the fools.
Though scowling constantly is a similar badge of the debased moron.
Xae289
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Excommunication isn't really kicking someone out of the church. It's a punishment for people who've committed an action extremely contrary to the church's beliefs by denying them access to rituals. It doesn't prevent or rule out the person's reconciling later. I don't know if there's any permanent ban around anymore now that the church's stance on heretic burning, hanging, and breaking on the wheel has mellowed out. As far as abortion goes, Christian teachings from very early on consider abortion murder in contrast to the sorrounding Greco-Roman society, which was fine with it and infanticide up to a certain point.
Since you offered, fair game. How, generally, do you practice your faith? Do you just worship your gods in whatever way you choose, or do you look for clues in things like the Eddas, Sagas and modern interpretation of ancient sources to follow rituals and practices attested to in them? Always curious about how the old religions get practiced in the modern day and it seems to vary wildly from hippies hugging trees to people reading primary sources and doing their best to strictly reconstruct ancient practices.
So, there does not seem to many around me, at least, very few that I have met. I practice for the most part alone.
Through searches and groups found on the internet, I have connected with people that share my faith. I speak with them from time to time. I have relatives and friends still in Scandinavia that I speak with often. We share with each other.
For the most part, I "practice" alone. Nature is of course my church. I spend as much time as possible among the things that my gods have created. I read the Eddas often and I search through the Havamal for daily guidance and words that lead me. I do not pray, I do not speak direct with any of the gods. I do feel closer to some gods and not so close to others; Tyr is whom I look to the most. His deeds and his actions throughout time speak to me and I honor him the most. The Eddas were written by man all through word of mouth, they are a tool that I use, but I look to the direct words of the Allfather the most. I do not ritual practice. I follow the seasons and the celebration of those seasons. I love reading the Sagas, I study them and like the Eddas, they are tools that I use in daily life. Too much has been lost, I learn (or try to) each and everyday.
I honor my gods through my honor and my integrity. They honor me by guiding me and teaching me.
God did not create any of them.
Modean
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Kinda silly isn't it? Yep that's how it works in the Catholic Church. You can screw up to your hearts content as long as you say I'm sorry in confession.
Says the guy who made a whole thread begging the mods and admins to add a block function because the ignor wasn't good enough for him.. so much so he was going to pay for it himself..
FS1040
.45 acp
Antichrist?
If that's what people want to call it...
FS1040
.45 acp
And Ruger never designed or built a gun. Complexity of design doesn’t come from chaos. The chaos theory was designed to remove God from the equation, but it doesn’t make it true.