NYPD 12lb trigger possibly discontinued.

[Podmonkey]

Goodbye NYPD Trigger: Agency Shifts from 12-Pound Trigger Pulls :: Guns.com

The New York Police Department is reportedly moving away from its long-held and much-loathed 12-pound trigger pull on handguns.

www.guns.com

I remember an article in which a NYPD officer discharged 15 shots at a suspect only to hit everything but including multiple bystanders.
Perhaps this will help with that.

 

[Dunedain Ranger]

Goodbye NYPD Trigger: Agency Shifts from 12-Pound Trigger Pulls :: Guns.com

The New York Police Department is reportedly moving away from its long-held and much-loathed 12-pound trigger pull on handguns.

www.guns.com

I remember an article in which a NYPD officer discharged 15 shots at a suspect but hit everything but including multiple bystanders.
Perhaps this will help with that.

I remember that as well. I also vaguely remember a few years ago, i believe it was an Asian American officer in the projects somewhere, and he managed to fire EVERY round from his 12 pound trigger, hitting and killing the person. Unfortunately, in the dimly lit stairwell of the projects, the person he hit and killed, was NOT the suspect, but an unarmed woman, YIKES. I could be wrong, but i really think this happened.

A 12 pound trigger, did not prevent that officer from emptying his whole magazine( i almost said clip, lol), and nervously hitting that woman. Yet, like posted above, that different officer couldnt hit anything, at least not what he was supposed to. I feel bad for that cop who accidentally whacked that woman. If i remember correctly, he was a rookie or close to it, it was dark in the stairway, the call was for an armed subject, and it was just him and one other officer. Think about how nervous someone could be in that situation. I guess nervous enough to fire every round from a gun with a 12 pound trigger, into the person that startled him.

I know 100% though that reducing the weight will be beneficial for all the officers. It will make them more accurate, proficient, and maybe less nervous. Plus not hitting bystanders is good too.

 

[AnthonyC]

NYPD will issue easier-to-fire guns to new recruits, aiming for improved accuracy

NYPD recruits will receive guns that are easier to fire under a new initiative to improve accuracy, the Daily News has learned. The move, which one civil rights lawyer said “doesn’t mak…

www.nydailynews.com

It still amazes me that NYPD brass took decades to figure out that a heavy trigger pull affects accuracy.
However, it doesn't surprise me that there are people in the article claiming that the lighter (AKA normal) trigger pull would lead to more deaths rather than less unintentional bystanders shot.

NYPD Admits To Wounding All 9 Bystanders In Empire State Building Shooting

NYPD Admits To Wounding All 9 Bystanders in Empire State Building Shooting.

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[Phazer]

It still amazes me that NYPD brass took decades to figure out that a heavy trigger pull affects accuracy.

I've taken several pistol courses where NYPD officers were using their duty pistols. This is obvious.

 

[Phauxtoe]

Just another instance of a politician solving a problem they don’t understand, that’s how you get a 12 pound trigger!

 

[Truebeliever]

I remember that as well. I also vaguely remember a few years ago, i believe it was an Asian American officer in the projects somewhere, and he managed to fire EVERY round from his 12 pound trigger, hitting and killing the person. Unfortunately, in the dimly lit stairwell of the projects, the person he hit and killed, was NOT the suspect, but an unarmed woman, YIKES. I could be wrong, but i really think this happened.

A 12 pound trigger, did not prevent that officer from emptying his whole magazine( i almost said clip, lol), and nervously hitting that woman. Yet, like posted above, that different officer couldnt hit anything, at least not what he was supposed to. I feel bad for that cop who accidentally whacked that woman. If i remember correctly, he was a rookie or close to it, it was dark in the stairway, the call was for an armed subject, and it was just him and one other officer. Think about how nervous someone could be in that situation. I guess nervous enough to fire every round from a gun with a 12 pound trigger, into the person that startled him.

I know 100% though that reducing the weight will be beneficial for all the officers. It will make them more accurate, proficient, and maybe less nervous. Plus not hitting bystanders is good too.

That’s not what happened. He had his finger on the trigger while patrolling the stairs in a housing project. He stumbled and fired one round that hit the Akai Gurley from a ricochet.

 

[Cooolone]

How about actual training time, force on force drills and some range time, all mandatory... More than the ridiculous qualification standards that exist now. Let's not forget physical proficiency exhibition as well... From fitness to the ability to handle yourself or an assailant for that matter! Just thoughts...

 

[Truebeliever]

NYPD will issue easier-to-fire guns to new recruits, aiming for improved accuracy

NYPD recruits will receive guns that are easier to fire under a new initiative to improve accuracy, the Daily News has learned. The move, which one civil rights lawyer said “doesn’t mak…

www.nydailynews.com

It still amazes me that NYPD brass took decades to figure out that a heavy trigger pull affects accuracy.
However, it doesn't surprise me that there are people in the article claiming that the lighter (AKA normal) trigger pull would lead to more deaths rather than less unintentional bystanders shot.

NYPD Admits To Wounding All 9 Bystanders In Empire State Building Shooting

NYPD Admits To Wounding All 9 Bystanders in Empire State Building Shooting.

newsone.com

Before you criticize that shooting . Look at the backstop.


And the video doesn’t show the all of the people behind the gunman either. But three people decide run in the line of fire.
Three people were hit by direct fire and six by fragments. There is no mention of pass thru / over penetration one way or the other.

Also out of the 16 rounds fired yes
by two officers ( one fired seven times and the other nine times) and at least seven hit him.

The shooting isn’t the lack of skill one would present .
Go look how three people run right with the line of fire. The others were injured by ricochet or fragments.

 

[Truebeliever]

How about actual training time, force on force drills and some range time, all mandatory... More than the ridiculous qualification standards that exist now. Let's not forget physical proficiency exhibition as well... From fitness to the ability to handle yourself or an assailant for that matter! Just thoughts...

That has greatly improved. They do simmuntions for shooting training now as supplement to the semi annual requalification training


Shooting training has greatly improved in LE just over the past 5 to 7 years.

 

[libertysnake]

NYPD will issue easier-to-fire guns to new recruits, aiming for improved accuracy

NYPD recruits will receive guns that are easier to fire under a new initiative to improve accuracy, the Daily News has learned. The move, which one civil rights lawyer said “doesn’t mak…

www.nydailynews.com

It still amazes me that NYPD brass took decades to figure out that a heavy trigger pull affects accuracy.
However, it doesn't surprise me that there are people in the article claiming that the lighter (AKA normal) trigger pull would lead to more deaths rather than less unintentional bystanders shot.

NYPD Admits To Wounding All 9 Bystanders In Empire State Building Shooting

NYPD Admits To Wounding All 9 Bystanders in Empire State Building Shooting.

newsone.com

Trigger discipline also prevents innocent deaths.

 

[meketrefe]

Happy trigger is not the same as trigger happy.