GTN
.308 Win
Neither does mine but it is required for the new enhanced drivers license
ATF rule change, ID must show Full middle name
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Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
luckily my federal ID covers that. What a pain in the ass it was trying to get my license renewed.
Russ Woody
.45 acp
Last time I was at the PP office, the ladies there made sure to put my middle name on it. Can't remember what gun I bought but I'm glad they hooked me up.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Been this way since January I believe.
My dad doesn’t have a middle name and I’m not sure how that would go. They flew so he must have an enhanced DL. I just talked with a guy who doesn’t have a middle name about signing a legal document and he said NMI. I’m not sure if that’s a legal thing or not.
My dad doesn’t have a middle name and I’m not sure how that would go. They flew so he must have an enhanced DL. I just talked with a guy who doesn’t have a middle name about signing a legal document and he said NMI. I’m not sure if that’s a legal thing or not.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Then How does anyone know one lives north of the rio grande?
96coal449
.308 Win
2WheelGnnr
6.5 Creedmoor
mine does not either...but my PA Non resident pistol permit has my full Middle name....... Jeez always something....more and more and more they want..... I sorta get it..my wife had an issue with her NY PP application as her ex Sister in law has same name and it was the middle name that set them apart. she was/is not a good person......
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
"NMN" is the recognized abbreviation for "No Middle Name" on federal documents.
"MIO" (middle initial only) can be used when the person's middle "name" consists of only an initial
So I just took a look, my Army retirement card has my middle name, my driver's license has my middle name, my pistol permit has my full middle name and my police ID has my full middle name.
My social security card has my full middle name my birth certificate has my full middle name I even have two credit cards that have my full middle name.
I'm not sure if I see the problem here.
My social security card has my full middle name my birth certificate has my full middle name I even have two credit cards that have my full middle name.
I'm not sure if I see the problem here.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
interesting. My license and pistol permit don’t.
Conspiracy.
My full name is 21 letters. Just too much for them to type.
I don't have a middle name or middle initial. Lots of people don't. Whoever put up that sign is an ignorant moron.
In 45 years of using ids, it was never an issue. The SOP for filling out forms was to leave middle name or middle initial box blank.
In 45 years of using ids, it was never an issue. The SOP for filling out forms was to leave middle name or middle initial box blank.
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Funny thing is: in the Army if you did not have a middle initial you got three,
“NMI“
@thewheels
.308 Win
Same with a purchase I made a month ago or so. I took my passport (with full middle name) JIC there was an issue with my DL (initial only) but it wasn't a problem.
Without digging into this, this seems to be an issue where FFL's are interpreting rules based on ATF hassles.
Just looked through all my USMC papers from 1980's and didn't see anything like that, only first and last name.
Vapor
.308 Win
Does a birth certificate count? If not, I need s hunting liscence anyway, will they just update that?
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
My Pennsylvania pistol permit has my middle name on it.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I would think a birth certificate would count in combination with your FL. My DL and passport have my middle name. What form of identification must a licensee obtain from a transferee of a firearm? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
ADK_GLKr
.177 BB
The rule went into effect in October 2020. I work for Runnings in Plattsburgh, and since then we have been directed by our National as well as state gun gurus to REQUIRE a full middle name on the IDENTIFICATION we use as proof of identity for the 4473's. We are also required to have an accurate physical address, not a PO Box or a handwritten address correction on the back of the drivers license. Local DMV's are not very picky about including these on a DL and we have to insist a customer have some kind of Govt ID such as Soc. Sec Card, Passport, Birth Certificate, or Sportsmans license to establish their identity with the FBI. I had to go to extra pains to get my Middle Name on my Drivers' License when I renewed it, but I am encouraging everyone who comes into the store to update their ID when they get a chance. We are no longer allowed to suggest a customer buy a new fishing license, but I DO inform folks the Runnings "Service Desk" will print a revised sportsmen's license on our DEC printer for them if they request. No idea what they use as proof for the revised middle name, though.
ADK_GLKr
.177 BB
I usually have at least ONE customer per day (at the gun counter) that I have to send back to get govt. ID with their middle name. They usually come back with a birth certificate or passport, one guy brought us a copy of his marriage license. There is the occasional ignorant troll who tells us to "go F*** yourself" but he(she) never gets their firearm.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
4473
"IO" initial Only ..
www.atf.gov
Section B (Former Section A)
Question 9 (Former Question 1) Transferee's/Buyers Full Name:- Changed "recorded IO" after the initial" to "record the initial followed by "IO" in quotes"
"IO" initial Only ..
ATF Form 4473 - Firearms Transaction Record Revisions | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
View the Updated ATF Form 4473 - Firearms Transaction Record (August 2023 Revisions) Notice Regarding Previous Changes to the ATF Form 4473 Due to new statutory requirements set forth in both the NICS Denial Notification Act and the Bipartisan Safer Community Act (BSCA), and to reflect the...
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
so you would deny a sale if a person does not a middle name and only a initial ?
ADK_GLKr
.177 BB
Oh, yes, and those with no middle name can type "NMN" on their 4473 or with Initial Only can enter "IO" after their initial.
ADK_GLKr
.177 BB
See answer above.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
so where in the instructions on filling out the 4473 states my ID needs my full middle name if i only go by my Middle Initial ? my SSN card is only my Middle Ini .. mom n dad did that when i was born ..
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
The identification document presented by the transferee must have a photograph of the transferee, as well as the transferee’s name, residence address, and date of birth. The identification document must also be valid (e.g., unexpired) and have been issued by a governmental entity for the purpose of identification of individuals. An example of an acceptable identification document is a current driver’s license.
just name .. not first middle and last ..
the box stores FFL are the owns asking for full middle name and giving people a hassle over it ..
when this issue first came about in i ask the small mom n pop local FFL about this .. .. her reply was there full of shit ..
i will be seeing her tomorrow and can ask again if you want me to ..
this is the same issue of going into walmart and buying a box of 9mm .. need a pistol permit .. it for a fking rifle ..
go to small mom n pop ffl and buy all the 9mm boxes i want with not ID or PP ..
None of my ID’s have my full middle names on them, just initials,( Enhanced DL , Pistol permit, fishing license,etc). Soooooo…….. fuck Runnings??!?