Putin Gets it. ( far-left woke ideology that he said is causing societal ills throughout the Western world)

[Mosinitis]

It's very likely Putin's been involved in the murder of political rivals. He invaded and annexed Ukraine. He also helped cover up the downing of Malaysia flight 17. This list is not all-inclusive. He is a "strong-man", which is just a term for a bully who holds office. He, like many Russians, feels insecure about Russia being a second-rate nation and yearns for a time when it had more sway than simply threatening Europe's gas supply.

His views on America mentioned here may be fair but as a person he's a POS.

If you want a better look into Putin there are a number of youtube videos in which he publicly chides lower officials. It's all theater.

I think most Russians resent being threatened by weaker and historically more cowardly people.

Douglas McArthur is considered an icon in this country. He abandonned his troops in the Philippines and ran away, while telling them to fight to the end. Japan's military was second rate, compared to Hitler's war machine. British barely escaped at Dunkirk and somehow paint it as a victory. General Patton wasn't even sure which side he was on, would have lost the Battle of the Bulge, if FDR didn't convince Stalin to start the offensive on the Eastern front earlier.
When Moscow was expected to fall and German tanks were only miles from the city, Stalin stayed in the city and motivated troops.

Putin believes in diplomacy and power of persuasion. He is a wise statesman and does a good job deflecting mudslinging directed at him and his country. Always enjoy listening to him and Lavrov. I wish I could be more optimistic about U.S. Russia relations, unfortunately NATO will always pursue expansion and I just don't see a good ending.

Communist, post-Communist or Czarist, Russia always faced threats and invasions and came out victorious in the end. This has been going on for centuries.

 

[holdover]

More people were killed and more atrocities were committed by Imperialism, Colonialism, Fascism and anti-Communist hysteria.

You have to put that statement into context. Communism is barely 100 years old . Imperialism, Colonialism, Fascism is century's old.

to make the equal comparison , you have compare the two worst 100 years , Theres no way The imperialists even come close. Even the Roman legions as brutal as they were, ever came close to slaughtering tens of millions within a 100 year period. killing on scale like that wasn't even possible until the early 19Th century.

 

[holdover]

I think most Russians resent being threatened by weaker and historically more cowardly people.

Economics are the power behind the military. The more cash you have the more toys you can field. Economics made the US a world superpower. The Russians never came close economically. Whats making China a great power now? Its economy . US company's using slave wages to make massive profits while China grows into a giant red dragon. You show me a weak economy , and Ill show you a weak army.

Douglas McArthur is considered an icon in this country. He abandonned his troops in the Philippines and ran away, while telling them to fight to the end. Japan's military was second rate, compared to Hitler's war machine. British barely escaped at Dunkirk and somehow paint it as a victory. General Patton wasn't even sure which side he was on, would have lost the Battle of the Bulge, if FDR didn't convince Stalin to start the offensive on the Eastern front earlier.
When Moscow was expected to fall and German tanks were only miles from the city, Stalin stayed in the city and motivated troops.

Mc Aurther did it under presidential orders under protest. He knew he should not have left as per military tradition, but he was to valuable to lose so early in the war. The country needed him .We pretty much lost the battle of the bulge. The first part anyway, The Germans pushed us back over hundred miles, The reason the Germans lost was due to two factors , no,petrol, and no air cover. When the weather broke US air power decimated entire divisions with little protection from the Luftwaffe. they got caught on the roads and were Anniliated.

I say this for Russia, they did pretty much defeat the German army by the time the US landed in France. The cream of the German military were destroyed in Russia. By the time of the 1944 landings in France The Germans were routed back to Poland in the east,

I do believe myself that Roosevelt and Churchill were biding their time, hoping to kill two birds with one stone If the soviets collapsed. ending communism and fascism in one war. Thats the play I would have made Too.

Putin believes in diplomacy and power of persuasion. He is a wise statesman and does a good job deflecting mudslinging directed at him and his country. Always enjoy listening to him and Lavrov. I wish I could be more optimistic about U.S. Russia relations, unfortunately NATO will always pursue expansion and I just don't see a good ending.

Communist, post-Communist or Czarist, Russia always faced threats and invasions and came out victorious in the end. This has been going on for centuries.

I believe Putin is a brilliant statesmen. and a great patriot to his country. Even though he is an adversary of the US Im forced to respect him , Much like Rommel was respected by Allied forces in WW2. I wish We had more politicians like him here in the US.

 

[Podmonkey]

Anybody that actually defends a brutally authotarian mass murderer like Stalin is a pinko, commie piece of shit communist that needs to get the fuck off these forums, out of this country or the world in general. Communists are plague rats.

 

[meketrefe]

"one day.." is a good read to combat the systemic ignorance of modern arm chair neo-marxist activists and weekend warriors alike.

 

[Acer-m14]

@spat

i watched this like a week ago .. it just showed up in random utube feed ..

 

[Mosinitis]

You have to put that statement into context. Communism is barely 100 years old . Imperialism, Colonialism, Fascism is century's old.

to make the equal comparison , you have compare the two worst 100 years , Theres no way The imperialists even come close. Even the Roman legions as brutal as they were, ever came close to slaughtering tens of millions within a 100 year period. killing on scale like that wasn't even possible until the early 19Th century.

20th century. How many were killed in WWI alone? This pointless war was used by the Communists to rally people against Imperialism. How many Chinese, Koreans. Filipinos were killed by Imperialist Japan? I am not even touching Nazi Germany? Are you seriously asking me this question.

 

[Mosinitis]

"one day.." is a good read to combat the systemic ignorance of modern arm chair neo-marxist activists and weekend warriors alike.

On his last visit to Russia, Solzhenitsyn was confronted by other decedent writers about inaccuracies, exaggerations and fabrications in his books. He claimed artistic license as his defense and admitted it wasn't true accounts of actual stories. His books are still viewed as accurate portrayal in the West and people like you swallow this bullshit, because it supports what you want to believe.

 

[Mosinitis]

@spat

i watched this like a week ago .. it just showed up in random utube feed ..

Visitor rooms and dormitories, Wow. That's even nicer than what I expected these places to be. ......and people compare this to Auschwitz?

 

[Mosinitis]

Economics are the power behind the military. The more cash you have the more toys you can field. Economics made the US a world superpower. The Russians never came close economically. Whats making China a great power now? Its economy . US company's using slave wages to make massive profits while China grows into a giant red dragon. You show me a weak economy , and Ill show you a weak army.

Mc Aurther did it under presidential orders under protest. He knew he should not have left as per military tradition, but he was to valuable to lose so early in the war. The country needed him .We pretty much lost the battle of the bulge. The first part anyway, The Germans pushed us back over hundred miles, The reason the Germans lost was due to two factors , no,petrol, and no air cover. When the weather broke US air power decimated entire divisions with little protection from the Luftwaffe. they got caught on the roads and were Anniliated.

I say this for Russia, they did pretty much defeat the German army by the time the US landed in France. The cream of the German military were destroyed in Russia. By the time of the 1944 landings in France The Germans were routed back to Poland in the east,

I do believe myself that Roosevelt and Churchill were biding their time, hoping to kill two birds with one stone If the soviets collapsed. ending communism and fascism in one war. Thats the play I would have made Too.


I believe Putin is a brilliant statesmen. and a great patriot to his country. Even though he is an adversary of the US Im forced to respect him , Much like Rommel was respected by Allied forces in WW2. I wish We had more politicians like him here in the US.

They can spin McArthur story any way they want. High ranking U.S. general abandoning his troops and escaping obviously needed to be white washed. If this was Soviet or German general, he would have been shot.
Despite major ideological differences, on a personal level FDR and Stalin formed a friendship. During the conference in Teheran, FDR chose to stay at the Soviet mission, instead of British mission, which caused somewhat of a scandal.
When Patton got his ass handed to him during the Battle of the Bulge, FDR pleaded with Stalin to begin the offensive on the Eastern front. Red Army wasn't ready, but Stalin gave the order to begin. Many believe if FDR didn't die, cold war could have been avoided.

 

[Podmonkey]

^

 

[meketrefe]

It sounds funny but it is very real...

 

[tirwin1]

They can spin McArthur story any way they want. High ranking U.S. general abandoning his troops and escaping obviously needed to be white washed. If this was Soviet or German general, he would have been shot.
Despite major ideological differences, on a personal level FDR and Stalin formed a friendship. During the conference in Teheran, FDR chose to stay at the Soviet mission, instead of British mission, which caused somewhat of a scandal.
When Patton got his ass handed to him during the Battle of the Bulge, FDR pleaded with Stalin to begin the offensive on the Eastern front. Red Army wasn't ready, but Stalin gave the order to begin. Many believe if FDR didn't die, cold war could have been avoided.

Many also believe that FDR was a naive fool who thought he could "handle" Stalin. The British in particular thought so. There is no way the cold war could have been avoided since the soviets essentially held on to all the territory they conquered or set up puppet governments. The irony of course is the question of polish independence was the trigger for the second world war yet the allies had to acquiesce to the facts on the ground - Russian takeover of the country.

 

[Mosinitis]

Many also believe that FDR was a naive fool who thought he could "handle" Stalin. The British in particular thought so. There is no way the cold war could have been avoided since the soviets essentially held on to all the territory they conquered or set up puppet governments. The irony of course is the question of polish independence was the trigger for the second world war yet the allies had to acquiesce to the facts on the ground - Russian takeover of the country.

You are factualy wrong. Soviets didn't hold on to all of their territory. Austria stayed independent. So did Yugoslavia. Berlin was shared with American, British and French administration.
On the British American side every dirty trick was used to keep Communists out of power, even though they were the main resistance during the Nazi occupation. Former head of the CIA admitted we rigged the elections in these countries to keep Communists out of power.

 

[Mosinitis]

The irony of course is the question of polish independence was the trigger for the second world war yet the allies had to acquiesce to the facts on the ground - Russian takeover of the country.

Most of Poland was a part of Russian Empire when Russia was our ally during WWI. Stalin could have insisted on return of that territory, since being allies is defacto acceptance of each countries borders. He didn't. Poland is not a part of Germany today, because of the Red Army. Poland didn't become a part of the Soviet Union because of Stalin. The world is full of paradoxes.

 

[tirwin1]

You are factualy wrong. Soviets didn't hold on to all of their territory. Austria stayed independent. So did Yugoslavia. Berlin was shared with American, British and French administration.
On the British American side every dirty trick was used to keep Communists out of power, even though they were the main resistance during the Nazi occupation. Former head of the CIA admitted we rigged the elections in these countries to keep Communists out of power.

Your sense of the word "independent" is very biased. On the commie side, every dirty trick was used to keep commies in power in places like east germany and poland. Next thing you'll be telling us the americans built the berlin wall to keep people out.

 

[Robin]

Putin gets it, Mosin doesn't.
Robin

 

[meketrefe]

Many also believe that FDR was a naive fool who thought he could "handle" Stalin. The British in particular thought so. There is no way the cold war could have been avoided since the soviets essentially held on to all the territory they conquered or set up puppet governments. The irony of course is the question of polish independence was the trigger for the second world war yet the allies had to acquiesce to the facts on the ground - Russian takeover of the country.

Patron suggested to rearm the regular german army and all go to liberate russia from the Communist cancer.

 

[holdover]

They can spin McArthur story any way they want. High ranking U.S. general abandoning his troops and escaping obviously needed to be white washed. If this was Soviet or German general, he would have been shot.
Despite major ideological differences, on a personal level FDR and Stalin formed a friendship. During the conference in Teheran, FDR chose to stay at the Soviet mission, instead of British mission, which caused somewhat of a scandal.
When Patton got his ass handed to him during the Battle of the Bulge, FDR pleaded with Stalin to begin the offensive on the Eastern front. Red Army wasn't ready, but Stalin gave the order to begin. Many believe if FDR didn't die, cold war could have been avoided.

It would be forbidden by the Army for a field officer to just quit and run just like any other army , and lets just say he did, You seriouly think they are going to give him a command? Come on man.

Ummm, Patton didn't get his ass handed to him in the bulge, He was in the south of France, It was the 8th army that broke though and rescued the 101st at Bastogne.

 

[holdover]

20th century. How many were killed in WWI alone? This pointless war was used by the Communists to rally people against Imperialism. How many Chinese, Koreans. Filipinos were killed by Imperialist Japan? I am not even touching Nazi Germany? Are you seriously asking me this question.

Oh yeah. Im seriously asking,

• In 1978, journalist Todd Culbertson wrote an article in The Richmond News Leader, republished in Human Events, in which he stated that "[a]vailable evidence indicates that perhaps 100 million persons have been destroyed by the Communists; the imperviousness of the Iron and Bamboo curtains prevents a more definitive figure."[ab][aa]
• In 1985, John Lenczowski, director of European and Soviet Affairs at the United States National Security Council, wrote an article in The Christian Science Monitor in which he stated that the "number of people murdered by communist regimes is estimated at between 60 million and 150 million, with the higher figure probably more accurate in light of recent scholarship."[ac]
• In 1993, Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter, wrote that "the failed effort to build communism in the twentieth century consumed the lives of almost 60,000,000."[43][aa][ad]
• In 1994, Rummel's book Death by Government included about 110 million people, foreign and domestic, killed by communist democide from 1900 to 1987.[44] This total did not include deaths from the Great Chinese Famine of 1958–1961 due to Rummel's then belief that "although Mao's policies were responsible for the famine, he was misled about it, and finally when he found out, he stopped it and changed his policies."[45][46] In 2004, Tomislav Dulić criticized Rummel's estimate of the number killed in Tito's Yugoslavia as an overestimation based on the inclusion of low-quality sources, and stated that Rummel's other estimates may suffer from the same problem if he used similar sources for them.[47] Rummel responded with a critique of Dulić's analysis[48] but was not convincing.[49] In 2005, a retired Rummel revised upward his total for communist democide between 1900 and 1999 from 110 million to about 148 million due to additional information about Mao's culpability in the Great Chinese Famine from Mao: The Unknown Story, including Jon Halliday and Jung Chang's estimated 38 million famine deaths.[45][46] Karlsson describes Rummel's estimates as being on the fringe, stating that "they are hardly an example of a serious and empirically-based writing of history", and mainly discusses them "on the basis of the interest in him in the blogosphere."[50]
• In 1997, Stéphane Courtois's introduction to The Black Book of Communism, an impactful yet controversial[38] work written about the history of communism in the 20th century,[51] gave a "rough approximation, based on unofficial estimates" approaching 100 million killed. The subtotals listed by Courtois added up to 94.36 million killed.[ae] Nicolas Werth and Jean-Louis Margolin, contributing authors to the book, criticized Courtois as obsessed with reaching a 100 million overall total.[52] In his foreword to the 1999 English edition, Martin Malia wrote that "a grand total of victims variously estimated by contributors to the volume at between 85 million and 100 million."[af] Courtois' attempt to equate Nazism and communist regimes was controversial, and remains on the fringes, on both scientific and moral grounds.[53][ag]
• In 2005, Benjamin Valentino stated that the number of non-combatants killed by communist regimes in the Soviet Union, China, and Cambodia alone ranged from a low of 21 million to a high of 70 million.[ah][ai] Citing Rummel and others,[aa] Valentino wrote that the "highest end of the plausible range of deaths attributed to communist regimes" was up to 110 million."[ah]
• In 2010, Steven Rosefielde, whose main point is that communism in general, although he focuses mostly on Stalinism, is less genocidal and that is a key distinction from Nazism, wrote in Red Holocaust that the internal contradictions of communist regimes caused the killing of approximately 60 million people and perhaps tens of millions more.[54]
• In 2011, Matthew White published his rough total of 70 million "people who died under communist regimes from execution, labor camps, famine, ethnic cleansing, and desperate flight in leaky boats", not counting those killed in wars.[aj]
• In 2012, Alex J. Bellamy wrote that a "conservative estimate puts the total number of civilians deliberately killed by communists after the Second World War between 6.7 million and 15.5 million people, with the true figure probably much higher."[ak]
• In 2014, Julia Strauss wrote that while there was the beginning of a scholarly consensus on figures of around 20 million killed in the Soviet Union and 2–3 million in Cambodia, there was no such consensus on numbers for China.[al]
• In 2016, the Dissident blog of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation made an effort to compile ranges of estimates using sources from 1976 to 2010, positing that the overall range "spans from 42,870,000 to 161,990,000" killed, with 100 million the most commonly cited figure.[am]
• In 2017, Stephen Kotkin wrote in The Wall Street Journal that communist regimes killed at least 65 million people between 1917 and 2017, commenting: "Though communism has killed huge numbers of people intentionally, even more of its victims have died from starvation as a result of its cruel projects of social engineering."[55][an]

 

[Mosinitis]

In other words, there is no credible source or a number historians agree on, but even the highest estimate from above will fall short of WWII and WWI combined.

 

[GOPerfect]

Curious, if communism is so awesome, why is not every country chasing this dream?

Why only shitty nations having this?

 

[Mosinitis]

Curious, if communism is so awesome, why is not every country chasing this dream?

Why only shitty nations having this?

It brought positive changes for a number of countries. For many others it was a nonstarter. It wasn't awesome, it wasn't evil.

 

[GOPerfect]

It brought positive changes for a number of countries. For many others it was a nonstarter.

I can get that, but overall, it is a complete failure; if not, all nations would be chasing this form of government

 

[Vapor]

Because humanity has to fundamentally evolve as a species to be able to institue some form of fantasy altruistic government. You have to change the nature of man, whether you belive it is the "soul", "heart", or selfish gene. How many, even here for instance, fundamentally espouse the "Fuck everyone else, I only care about me" ethos.

Certain governments try to force you to help support your fellow man, which in a perfect world, would really only be helping someone else who is also hard working, but has simply fallen on hard times or circumstances.


Communism was no better or worse than many other forms of government that came before it. It kept a certain small sect powerful, while the rest were serfs. Much like most forms of government already mentioned here. There may actually be an argument that true, altruistic communism has actually never been tried.


I don't know, I'm just a simple fool.

 

[meketrefe]

 

[Mosinitis]

I can get that, but overall, it is a complete failure; if not, all nations would be chasing this form of government

Communism itself never materialized, none of the countries managed to achieve it. In that sense it was a total failure. However communists were a good antidote for other world problems. Imperialism, Colonialism, Fascism and so on. It was also a needed transformation phase for countries like China. Even Putin gives credit to Stalin for succeeding in industrialization of Russia. Industrialization was a must as the world was gearing up for WWII.

 

[holdover]

So this time we'll do it right.

 

[holdover]

In other words, there is no credible source or a number historians agree on, but even the highest estimate from above will fall short of WWII and WWI combined.

if there is no credible source, your claim is just as invalid. You wouldn't know if it was above or below the threshold you claimed.

 

[holdover]

We had to build a wall to keep people out and Russians had to build a wall to keep people in .which system was better for the individual?