Ice agents shoot a women trying to run them over in Minneapolis

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fresch said:
If she was at home making a sandwich she would still be alive. How ever she chose to inject herself in things she has no right to even be there. As in interference of law enforcement - screw her.
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I figure at the very least, if she had pressed the brake pedal instead of the gas pedal, she wouldn't have gotten shot. She chose poorly.
 
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Bigfoot said:
Looks like the first shot is justified, but that second shot, when he shoots her as she drove by, doesn't look good. Meh, I wasn't there, so what do I know about it?

Do the mostly peaceful protests start soon, or will they wait until springtime?
Minneapolis is really cold this time of year.
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The problem is once you start shooting to turn it off immediately is not easy. I’m sure maybe the second shot was questionable but she was already a bad actor. Why was she parked like that? What was her vehicle doing. I heard she had pulled out to deliberately block ICE agents, true? I don’t know but as soon as I saw the situation first thing that popped in my head was that’s an odd place for her vehicle and what was she doing. IMO she turned the car to deliberately go towards the one agent at the front of the vehicle.
 
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rushmore said:
No argument from me that she shouldn’t have been there - but this is still poor training, and in my opinion, an avoidable tragedy in which a US Citizen was killed. I would like to see this investigated fully, and consequences for the office if warranted , but the way the media has spun this on both sides leads me to believe that no common ground will be found.

I won’t celebrate this as a FAFO, “domestic terrorist” incident, and I disagree with those who take that view. Even the good guys can royally f**k up sometimes. That’s all from me.
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The reports are she was there to deliberately interfere with ICE agents. You have to ask why her vehicle was where it was positioned. It’s an odd position and I suspect the reports of her interfering with ice agents is accurate. She then turns her wheel and hits the gas to run the one over at the front driver side of the vehicle.
Maybe you wouldn’t call that a terrorist attack but by definition it is a terror event.
Here is the definition of terrorism. She used violence and intimidation in pursuit of her political agenda and it goes against the laws of our land. Textbook terrorism, just many don’t know the definition of terrorism.
Terrorism
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
 
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rushmore said:
This angle looks more damning against him. She is focused on the officer to the left, attempting to turn, and rather than move to the side the officer quickly unholsters and shoots, three times! The second and third time he leans into her window from side. Where is the credible threat?
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WTF are you seeing? 3 shots? 2 leaning in the window? Dont make shit up like some libtard idiot. Credible threat? Turning the car in his direction and accelerating is a credible threat. Good shoot, period. In my eye you have zero credibility now.
 
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Bigfoot said:
The left finally got their so-called martyr, and man, they are going to use it for all it's worth.
It's going to get worse before it gets even worse. This shit is going to escalate for sure.
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Of course it is going to get worse. Anything to get the blatant corruption of the somalis off the front page. I guarantee you the Dems are absolutely delighted about this.
 
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4WHLDRFTN said:
I get it. She was clearly there to start shet. But interacting with the two she probably didn’t even see the other.

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That’s most likely what happened. She was backing up and focused on the agent attempting to get in the door. She put it in drive without looking I would guess. I don’t see any deliberate attempt to run anyone over. I need to look at more videos. The ones I have seen are all slow motion.
this was 100 percent preventable. I don’t think she was trying to kill anyone but she put herself in a no win situation.
 
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GOPerfect said:
This is actually text book training. A possible suspect was given a simple order to stop by officers. She refused, another officer came to assist and she decided that she would attempt to run him down.

I am celebrating her death, not at all. Should not have gotten to that point. She escalated the situation.
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I don’t recall ever hearing any training that says get in front of a suv. Other than that I agree with the exception of the attempt to run him down. I doubt she even saw him. She was most likely focused on backing up and maybe looking at the back up camera. The reverse lights went off as the other agent was attempting to open the door. She most likely was looking at him as she started to move forward.
She caused this but I don’t see an attempt to run anyone down. It will go down as justified but the shooters life is essentially ruined.
 
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ECU Pirates said:
I don’t recall ever hearing any training that says get in front of a suv. Other than that I agree with the exception of the attempt to run him down. I doubt she even saw him. She was most likely focused on backing up and maybe looking at the back up camera. The reverse lights went off as the other agent was attempting to open the door. She most likely was looking at him as she started to move forward.
She caused this but I don’t see an attempt to run anyone down. It will go down as justified but the shooters life is essentially ruined.
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Have not seen you in a bit, life good??

As for the scenario, it is not like he just stopped in front of the vehicle. He was a few feet away, looks like he was directing traffic.

He heard (guessing) a commotion, walked over to investigate and/or assist. She decided to ignore simple directives/commands. She put the vehicle in drive and floored the gas; striking the officer.
 
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GOPerfect said:
Have not seen you in a bit, life good??

As for the scenario, it is not like he just stopped in front of the vehicle. He was a few feet away, looks like he was directing traffic.

He heard (guessing) a commotion, walked over to investigate and/or assist. She decided to ignore simple directives/commands. She put the vehicle in drive and floored the gas; striking the officer.
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It's been awhile for sure! Life is good, hope it is for you as well. I need to watch some more videos of this. Like I said it's going to be justified. I don't think she was trying to run anyone over though. Looks like wheels were turned. If I was going go run someone over I would aim at them. 1 dead (for now, this could trigger the lunatics) and a life potentially ruined. What a stupid, preventable mess.
 
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ECU Pirates said:
It's been awhile for sure! Life is good, hope it is for you as well. I need to watch some more videos of this. Like I said it's going to be justified. I don't think she was trying to run anyone over though. Looks like wheels were turned. If I was going go run someone over I would aim at them. 1 dead (for now, this could trigger the lunatics) and a life potentially ruined. What a stupid, preventable mess.
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Yes sir, I watched about 15 different videos prior to me making up my mind.
 
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As for the shooting and the law....

Tousis v. Billiot

If a suspect threatens the officer with a weapon, that risk of serious physical harm has been established…In assessing whether force was excessive, we must analyze the actions of the officer from the objective perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight…Moreover, the reasonableness calculus must allow for the fact that officers are often forced to make split-second decisions about what amount of force is necessary in circumstances that are tense, uncertain and rapidly evolving.
 
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rushmore said:
Side of the windshield. It was reckless driving and I won’t argue that but do you seriously believe that officer felt his life was in danger? I don’t.

The car was moving so slowly, even in the full speed videos, that he could have easily stepped aside. This is poor training. If you watch the whole video, not only does he put himself in front of the moving vehicle unnecessarily, he shoots three times. Two of which are shown very clearly after he is clear of the car. Why the overkill? If she had a weapon, you had better believe that would be the top headline right now.

This was not an illegal or a terrorist. It was a 37 year old female white citizen. If this wasn’t ICE, and was local PD in a walmart parking lot altercation, would we be so quick to the defend the officer without all of the facts?
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I wouldn't have fired in that situation. You would probably have felt like you were in real danger of serious injury. Even if the speed wasn't high, getting knocked down and driven over is a real possibility.

But, I think dodging out of the way was a better option than employing a firearm.

But I think the officer was probably justified here, but just barely. The danger was real, the gun was a *reasonable* answer, just not the best one.
 
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GOPerfect said:
I tend to agree.

I am not sure what is placing me on the fence with this shooting.

It will go down, after investigation, a good shoot on the officers part. Not sure if it was needed here though. As I watch more video, I will solidify my thoughts.
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My mind would have been more involved with getting out of the way than shooting her.

The shot couldn't have stopped the threat in time, even with a perfect lights out shot between the eyes, the car was still coming.

It's entirely possible that him pausing to take the shot could have been what made the difference between getting knocked down and driven over vs getting out of the way.

The threat was real. From a purely practical standpoint, the gun was *not* the best way to end it.
 
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The left is already salivating over this incident. They will add this to their statements that ICE is arresting Americans, harassing innocent people who "work hard and pay taxes and haven't done anything wrong", robbing people (haven't found substantiation of this but supposedly they shook down someone for their groceries), running around like masked thugs, and demanding publicly that they be allowed to question Americans who cannot prove, at the point of contact, that they are citizens using a passport (driver's license and Real ID not accepted).
The leftist media is stating ICE are just terrorists and Nazis, and that the U.N. should step in and remove Trump.

It's just going to get worse and worse.
 
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Bigfoot said:
I figure at the very least, if she had pressed the brake pedal instead of the gas pedal, she wouldn't have gotten shot. She chose poorly.
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Of the two people who made bad decisions in that encounter, she made the worst ones for sure.

His life is going to be turned upside down for at least the next couple years when he probably should have just stepped aside and then they could have arrested her for attempted homicide.

He will probably not be criminally charged, but it's not going to be a fun ride for him no matter what.

She ended up room temp.
 
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spat said:
I wouldn't have fired in that situation. You would probably have felt like you were in real danger of serious injury. Even if the speed wasn't high, getting knocked down and driven over is a real possibility.

But, I think dodging out of the way was a better option than employing a firearm.

But I think the officer was probably justified here, but just barely. The danger was real, the gun was a *reasonable* answer, just not the best one.
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This sums up my thoughts as well.
 
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"The leftist media saying that the UN should step in and remove President Trump"

Yeah, that would create a shitstorm of epic proportions. On its face, the UN removing Trump is an absurd statement. But the Fake News Media is absurd in and of itself. And that's how they roll.
 
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spat said:
I wouldn't have fired in that situation. You would probably have felt like you were in real danger of serious injury. Even if the speed wasn't high, getting knocked down and driven over is a real possibility.

But, I think dodging out of the way was a better option than employing a firearm.

But I think the officer was probably justified here, but just barely. The danger was real, the gun was a *reasonable* answer, just not the best one.
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She was threatening the officer and the community with a deadly weapon. If you let her drive away and she recklessly runs over a kid, then what? She needed to be stopped at that point, her bad choices cost her her life. It’s an unfortunate situation for all involved.
 
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