If too the point that the pistol could no longer be used as its' intended purpose, maybe.
Interesting non-pistol grip option
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If too the point that the pistol could no longer be used as its' intended purpose, maybe.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's the thing. Maybe is probably no. Because if I put my pistol in a kydex holster with a thin screw that prevents the draw.....You get what I'm saying.
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
This.
Like the filled in thumbholes on my VEPR's, the pistol grip part of the thumbhole no longer exists. It no longer functions like a pistol grip.
So tell me, what is the difference between that and filling the thumbhole in with kydex like they do in California?
It functions in the same exact manner as a kydex wrap on a pistol grip. How can you say one is ok and the other is not?
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
The funniest thing about those Kydex covers is it makes you unable to manipulate the safety with your thumb. GO SAFE ACT.
It's my main complaint with the Thordsen stock. Unless I spring for an oversized safety switch, I can't reach the safety.
It's my main complaint with the Thordsen stock. Unless I spring for an oversized safety switch, I can't reach the safety.
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Then he's being a jackbooted enforcer in a police state, not a cop. A cop doesn't bother people unless he *knows* they are breaking the law.
None of those examples stop the function of the things you are covering. The wrap with hard plastic prevents the hand grip from being a hand grip.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Except for the handgun.
But we have no draconian laws against pistols yet
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Huh? Yes we do. We can't own handguns unless we have a carry permit. So under the kydex logic where it stops the function of things, one could get a handgun and put kydex over the trigger.
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
You can put kydex on your handgun, but it is still a pistol. You are comparing apples to oranges. Handguns and rifles are different classifications of firearms, and have (mostly) different laws pertaining to them. Throwing pistols and kydex together in the same argument is irrelevant. The original topic at hand has to do with rifles and kydex wraps.
Absolutely but unfortunately it happens.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
How so? Follow this logic.
A pistol grip with kydex is no longer a pistol grip because it cannot be used as one. A rifle or pistol with kydex over the trigger is no longer a firearm because it cannot be used as one.
What makes wrapping the pistol grip different from wrapping the trigger? t's apples and oranges because you want it to be.
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Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
All this kind'a makes one want to grab a pol by the throat and thrash him good!!!! FUAC!
Robin
Robin
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
The difference is that wrapping the grip on a handgun doesn't change it's classification. It is still a handgun. There is no point to this exercise per NY law. Irrelevant.
Getting rid of a pistol grip on a rifle can change it's classification from an "assault weapon" to just a semi-auto rifle. Per NY law.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
But wrapping a pistol grip changes it's classification though?
You can't have it both ways.
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
Yes I can. Please explain how wrapping the grip on a handgun changes anything. You still have to have a permit for it in NY.
While you are at it, answer my questions in post 33 that you have so far ignored.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I didn't ignore it. It was answered when I said that wrapping kydex doesn't change any classification. A pistol needs a permit in NY because even if wrapped in kydex where you cannot utilize it, it is still a pistol. The same goes for that stock and grip.
Why? Because underneath it, the banned feature or pistol is still there. My first posts on the subject reflect that.
Why? Because underneath it, the banned feature or pistol is still there. My first posts on the subject reflect that.
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
You did ignore part of it. Explain how my filled in thumbhole is any different than one filled with kydex.
What if I grabbed a piece of 2x6 and cut it in the shape of my VEPR stock and put it on? I could get a hole saw and put a "thumbhole" in it faster the, I could probably get that kydex off.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It isn't any different actually. Both are still filled in thumbholes just the same as wrapped pistol grips. Underneath it all, the banned feature is there.
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
LOL, then why haven't I been arrested for my VEPR's?
I am very open about my modification and will take it anywhere I want.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Because you haven't and probably never will just the same as I probably never will either if I carry were I'm not supposed to or previously when I carried non preban magazines or when nobody checked to see if my stock was fixed or if my device was a brake instead of a flash suppressor.
fingrips
.177 BB
I've been making these wraps for CA residents for the last 6 years and am trying to learn more about the NY SAFE act to see if my wraps would work for you guys.
As stated earlier, CA defines what a pistol grip is and it is not whether one exists in form, as some of you have argued, but whether you can have a "pistol style grasp". That is why the kydex wraps work for CA despite there still being an actual pistol grip underneath the kydex. The law is basically that, if it can't be gripped like a pistol grip, then it is not a pistol grip.
What is the reasoning that the SPUR grip is allowable compared to a standard grip?
I saw the photos of the plugged Vepr's and can make the same plugs out of kydex. Is there a requirement for permanency?
As stated earlier, CA defines what a pistol grip is and it is not whether one exists in form, as some of you have argued, but whether you can have a "pistol style grasp". That is why the kydex wraps work for CA despite there still being an actual pistol grip underneath the kydex. The law is basically that, if it can't be gripped like a pistol grip, then it is not a pistol grip.
What is the reasoning that the SPUR grip is allowable compared to a standard grip?
I saw the photos of the plugged Vepr's and can make the same plugs out of kydex. Is there a requirement for permanency?
S
stuck in ny
Guest
No one knows, no ruling no nothing. At least Cali still has brakes and can get stuff shipped easily with wraps.
IANAL, but I do believe the spur grip was designed because BUD law says " a grip protruding beneath the action "
So that to me means that even with the index there is still a grip protruding beneath the action.
IMHO. Just what I take from it
S
stuck in ny
Guest
So my spur and PH trigger guard combo would be a pistol grip in CA?
I guess so? Would you consider it a pistol style grasp? I also don't see why the same index wrap is any different from that VEPR stock filled in, or thimble with kydex.
It's how they get you. Let's be so vague that no one knows what's actually legal or not. People stop shipping things, they win.
Unreal how stupid this is...
fingrips
.177 BB
Yes, since "pistol style grasp" is specifically defined as a "grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing"
Yes, All of this is very stupid. Although, it would mean the loss of my business, I am very happy the NRA decided to sue CA for their assanine Assualt Weapon regulations
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