Interesting non-pistol grip option

[GOPerfect]

I can go with that answer. That makes sense.

So what about wrapping kydex around a handgun?

If too the point that the pistol could no longer be used as its' intended purpose, maybe.

 

[Marine Cpl]

If too the point that the pistol could no longer be used as its' intended purpose, maybe.

That's the thing. Maybe is probably no. Because if I put my pistol in a kydex holster with a thin screw that prevents the draw.....You get what I'm saying.

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

The reason your examples are different is because wrapping the Kydex around the grip stops the user from using the grip as its' intended purpose. Kind of like plugging a thump hole stock. No longer useable.

This.

Like the filled in thumbholes on my VEPR's, the pistol grip part of the thumbhole no longer exists. It no longer functions like a pistol grip.

So tell me, what is the difference between that and filling the thumbhole in with kydex like they do in California?

It functions in the same exact manner as a kydex wrap on a pistol grip. How can you say one is ok and the other is not?

 

[MikeyCNY]

The funniest thing about those Kydex covers is it makes you unable to manipulate the safety with your thumb. GO SAFE ACT.

It's my main complaint with the Thordsen stock. Unless I spring for an oversized safety switch, I can't reach the safety.

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

The funniest thing about those Kydex covers is it makes you unable to manipulate the safety with your thumb. GO SAFE ACT.

It's my main complaint with the Thordsen stock. Unless I spring for an oversized safety switch, I can't reach the safety.

LOL, if politicians cared about "safety", they would ban the spur grip.

 

[spat]

I didnt say its illegal but that doesnt matter if a cop doesnt know either. He may seize the weapon and you may have to jump through hoops to get it back while someone decides if its legal or not.

Then he's being a jackbooted enforcer in a police state, not a cop. A cop doesn't bother people unless he *knows* they are breaking the law.

 

[Jezman]

A Thordsen isn't a pistol grip. It's a stock. A Boar grip isn't a pistol grip. It's a goofy grip.

This is just a piece of Kydex over a banned feature. The feature is still there.

Those that say it's legal because it's vague, answer me this.

Can I wrap Kydex over a silencer?
Can I wrap Kydex over a trigger on a handgun? Can I I wrap Kydex over a 10 inch barrel without a tax stamp and claim there is no barrel there at all?
Can I wrap Kydex over a pistol to avoid registration?

If the answer is no, what makes this different? Give a different answer other than vague. I want to learn. Even Federal laws are vague.

None of those examples stop the function of the things you are covering. The wrap with hard plastic prevents the hand grip from being a hand grip.

 

[Marine Cpl]

None of those examples stop the function of the things you are covering. The wrap with hard plastic prevents the hand grip from being a hand grip.

Except for the handgun.

 

[Jezman]

Except for the handgun.

But we have no draconian laws against pistols yet

 

[Marine Cpl]

But we have no draconian laws against pistols yet

Huh? Yes we do. We can't own handguns unless we have a carry permit. So under the kydex logic where it stops the function of things, one could get a handgun and put kydex over the trigger.

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

Huh? Yes we do. We can't own handguns unless we have a carry permit. So under the kydex logic where it stops the function of things, one could get a handgun and put kydex over the trigger.

You can put kydex on your handgun, but it is still a pistol. You are comparing apples to oranges. Handguns and rifles are different classifications of firearms, and have (mostly) different laws pertaining to them. Throwing pistols and kydex together in the same argument is irrelevant. The original topic at hand has to do with rifles and kydex wraps.

 

[Criticalt]

Then he's being a jackbooted enforcer in a police state, not a cop. A cop doesn't bother people unless he *knows* they are breaking the law.

Absolutely but unfortunately it happens.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You can put kydex on your handgun, but it is still a pistol. You are comparing apples to oranges. Handguns and rifles are different classifications of firearms, and have (mostly) different laws pertaining to them. Throwing pistols and kydex together in the same argument is irrelevant. The original topic at hand has to do with rifles and kydex wraps.

How so? Follow this logic.

A pistol grip with kydex is no longer a pistol grip because it cannot be used as one. A rifle or pistol with kydex over the trigger is no longer a firearm because it cannot be used as one.

What makes wrapping the pistol grip different from wrapping the trigger? t's apples and oranges because you want it to be.

 

[Robin]

All this kind'a makes one want to grab a pol by the throat and thrash him good!!!! FUAC!
Robin

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

How so? Follow this logic.

A pistol grip with kydex is no longer a pistol grip because it cannot be used as one. A rifle or pistol with kydex over the trigger is no longer a firearm because it cannot be used as one.

What makes wrapping the pistol grip different from wrapping the trigger? t's apples and oranges because you want it to be.

The difference is that wrapping the grip on a handgun doesn't change it's classification. It is still a handgun. There is no point to this exercise per NY law. Irrelevant.

Getting rid of a pistol grip on a rifle can change it's classification from an "assault weapon" to just a semi-auto rifle. Per NY law.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The difference is that wrapping the grip on a handgun doesn't change it's classification. It is still a handgun. There is no point to this exercise per NY law. Irrelevant.

Getting rid of a pistol grip on a rifle can change it's classification from an "assault weapon" to just a semi-auto rifle. Per NY law.

But wrapping a pistol grip changes it's classification though?

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

But wrapping a pistol grip changes it's classification though?

You can't have it both ways.

Yes I can. Please explain how wrapping the grip on a handgun changes anything. You still have to have a permit for it in NY.

While you are at it, answer my questions in post 33 that you have so far ignored.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I didn't ignore it. It was answered when I said that wrapping kydex doesn't change any classification. A pistol needs a permit in NY because even if wrapped in kydex where you cannot utilize it, it is still a pistol. The same goes for that stock and grip.

Why? Because underneath it, the banned feature or pistol is still there. My first posts on the subject reflect that.

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

I didn't ignore it. It was answered when I said that wrapping kydex doesn't change any classification. A pistol needs a permit in NY because even if wrapped in kydex where you cannot utilize it, it is still a pistol. The same goes for that stock and grip.

Why? Because underneath it, the banned feature or pistol is still there.

You did ignore part of it. Explain how my filled in thumbhole is any different than one filled with kydex.

What if I grabbed a piece of 2x6 and cut it in the shape of my VEPR stock and put it on? I could get a hole saw and put a "thumbhole" in it faster the, I could probably get that kydex off.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It isn't any different actually. Both are still filled in thumbholes just the same as wrapped pistol grips. Underneath it all, the banned feature is there.

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

It isn't any different actually. Both are still filled in thumbholes just the same as wrapped pistol grips. Underneath it all, the banned feature is there.

LOL, then why haven't I been arrested for my VEPR's?

I am very open about my modification and will take it anywhere I want.

 

[Marine Cpl]

LOL, then why haven't I been arrested for my VEPR's?

I am very open about my modification and will take it anywhere I want.

Because you haven't and probably never will just the same as I probably never will either if I carry were I'm not supposed to or previously when I carried non preban magazines or when nobody checked to see if my stock was fixed or if my device was a brake instead of a flash suppressor.

 

[fingrips]

I've been making these wraps for CA residents for the last 6 years and am trying to learn more about the NY SAFE act to see if my wraps would work for you guys.

As stated earlier, CA defines what a pistol grip is and it is not whether one exists in form, as some of you have argued, but whether you can have a "pistol style grasp". That is why the kydex wraps work for CA despite there still being an actual pistol grip underneath the kydex. The law is basically that, if it can't be gripped like a pistol grip, then it is not a pistol grip.

What is the reasoning that the SPUR grip is allowable compared to a standard grip?

I saw the photos of the plugged Vepr's and can make the same plugs out of kydex. Is there a requirement for permanency?

 

[stuck in ny]

I've been making these wraps for CA residents for the last 6 years and am trying to learn more about the NY SAFE act to see if my wraps would work for you guys.

As stated earlier, CA defines what a pistol grip is and it is not whether one exists in form, as some of you have argued, but whether you can have a "pistol style grasp". That is why the kydex wraps work for CA despite there still being an actual pistol grip underneath the kydex. The law is basically that, if it can't be gripped like a pistol grip, then it is not a pistol grip.

What is the reasoning that the SPUR grip is allowable compared to a standard grip?

I saw the photos of the plugged Vepr's and can make the same plugs out of kydex. Is there a requirement for permanency?

No one knows, no ruling no nothing. At least Cali still has brakes and can get stuff shipped easily with wraps.

 

[WileyX585]

I've been making these wraps for CA residents for the last 6 years and am trying to learn more about the NY SAFE act to see if my wraps would work for you guys.

As stated earlier, CA defines what a pistol grip is and it is not whether one exists in form, as some of you have argued, but whether you can have a "pistol style grasp". That is why the kydex wraps work for CA despite there still being an actual pistol grip underneath the kydex. The law is basically that, if it can't be gripped like a pistol grip, then it is not a pistol grip.

What is the reasoning that the SPUR grip is allowable compared to a standard grip?

I saw the photos of the plugged Vepr's and can make the same plugs out of kydex. Is there a requirement for permanency?

IANAL, but I do believe the spur grip was designed because BUD law says " a grip protruding beneath the action "

So that to me means that even with the index there is still a grip protruding beneath the action.

IMHO. Just what I take from it

 

[stuck in ny]

IANAL, but I do believe the spur grip was designed because BUD law says " a grip protruding beneath the action "

So that to me means that even with the index there is still a grip protruding beneath the action.

IMHO. Just what I take from it

So my spur and PH trigger guard combo would be a pistol grip in CA?

 

[WileyX585]

So my spur and PH trigger guard combo would be a pistol grip in CA?

I guess so? Would you consider it a pistol style grasp? I also don't see why the same index wrap is any different from that VEPR stock filled in, or thimble with kydex.

It's how they get you. Let's be so vague that no one knows what's actually legal or not. People stop shipping things, they win.

Unreal how stupid this is...

 

[fingrips]

So my spur and PH trigger guard combo would be a pistol grip in CA?

Yes, since "pistol style grasp" is specifically defined as a "grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing"

Yes, All of this is very stupid. Although, it would mean the loss of my business, I am very happy the NRA decided to sue CA for their assanine Assualt Weapon regulations

 

[stuck in ny]

I guess so? Would you consider it a pistol style grasp? I also don't see why the same index wrap is any different from that VEPR stock filled in, or thimble with kydex.

It's how they get you. Let's be so vague that no one knows what's actually legal or not. People stop shipping things, they win.

Unreal how stupid this is...

Oh no, Its worse than I thought. Looks like FUAC can time travel.

 

[Phauxtoe]

I just don't have the time or the Thousands of dollars to be a Test case!