You Have Less Than a Year

Chris1389 said:

Ill have to read that. Interesting stuff. The main difference is that we have a 4 year term limit i dont think Germany had that. So whatever rules/laws the Biden admin passes on gun control can and will be overturned when the next republican gets in. Clinton did the AW ban and when Bush got in he overturned it.
its hard to get anything done here bc of politics. No party wants to give credit to another for anything good. Which is why biden is going crazy with the executive orders.

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The German constitution had a number of checks on executive power. Many were far stronger than a term limit.

When the time came the legislature swept them aside faster than an objection to the midnight vote for SAFE. Look up "enabling act" sometime.

drowhawk said:

We will see what happens. I think you are wrong and I really don't think it will get to that point. If Biden or the Democrats could really do something about gun control, they would have already. You don't think there are gun lobbies and manufacturers in the pockets of Democrats as well as Republicans? I do.

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You seem to have a very different idea about the "gun lobby" than I do.

I seriously doubt the manufacturers have anyone in their pocket. All of them put together spend less on lobbying than either Bloomberg *or* Soros alone.

The power of "the gun lobby" is us. The RKBA lobby's power comes from the voters they can mobilize. The RKBA lobby doesn't have the money to buy congressmen the way the gun grabbers do, but they do have millions of people who vote.

You should look up the spending numbers sometime.

drowhawk said:

Whats the point of having a gun now? As a civilian I'll likely never use it for defensive purposes.

My point is that taking away our guns now would be about as productive as a book burning in 2021. Yeah they'll burn shit but the information already exists digitally therefore the designs can be printed and reprinted over and over again. The 2nd ammendment has been forever etched into the stones of human rights because of technology. In 10 years i have no doubt we will be able to extrude top quality components out of virtually any material. It'll be cheap and it'll be easy.

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So much wrong here.

First, the printing technology isn't going to be there in 10 years. 50? MAYBE. The temperatures are too high and the chemistry of even old alloys are too complex. Sure, you'll be able to make frames and many other components that are very serviceable in your basement because they don't require high strength or hardness. But you will NOT get the strength needed for a barrel and you will NOT get the properties of hardened steel needed for portions of the action. It may be technically possible with an industrial grade process but that will not find it's way into a commercial printer within a decade.

Second, why don't you think we can slide back into a society where the for self defense is a near certainty during the course of a typical life? Humans haven't changed. We haven't gotten nicer, kinder, or more forgiving. We just don't have to worry about starving to death in most of the west. That's it. That's the only reason we are in such a historically peaceful period. The arrogance inherent in the assumption that we can no longer fall is astounding.

Third, have you been living under a rock?!? The fact that everything is digital makes it EASIER to control and, more importantly, manipulate. Even if you can print a viable barrel, it would be easy to put a small, critical, hard to detect void or seam into the file. Then, instead of firing, it blows up in your face. If everyone still gets their news from the morning paper, the story of Hunter's laptop is can't be quashed AFTER publication. There are already millions of copies distributed across the country.

The most important times for the preservation of rights are those moments when it appears they are no longer needed.

Chris1389 said:

So whatever rules/laws the Biden admin passes on gun control can and will be overturned when the next republican gets in. Clinton did the AW ban and when Bush got in he overturned it.

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There was a sunset provision built into the bill. Bush didn't kill it, it had a built in kill switch. All the legislature had to do was not renew.

And that whole 'republicans will overturn' concept has NEVER worked for gun rights (see 2016 -2018 for the most recent example).

Chris1389 said:

Ill have to read that. Interesting stuff. The main difference is that we have a 4 year term limit i dont think Germany had that. So whatever rules/laws the Biden admin passes on gun control can and will be overturned when the next republican gets in. Clinton did the AW ban and when Bush got in he overturned it.
its hard to get anything done here bc of politics. No party wants to give credit to another for anything good. Which is why biden is going crazy with the executive orders.

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dominion has proven they can cheat and get away with it. so the only way there will ever be another conservative in the white house is if someone can eliminate dominion voting system, or buys them out and fixes the program

Chris1389 said:

Well yeah no shit. It wasent renewed bc a republican got elected. Not sure what you mean by do more research

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Well yeah no shit. Let's just look at your post that I Quoted!

Chris1389 said:

Ill have to read that. Interesting stuff. The main difference is that we have a 4 year term limit i dont think Germany had that. So whatever rules/laws the Biden admin passes on gun control can and will be overturned when the next republican gets in. Clinton did the AW ban and when Bush got in he overturned it.
its hard to get anything done here bc of politics. No party wants to give credit to another for anything good. Which is why biden is going crazy with the executive orders.

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Clinton did the AW ban and when Bush got in he overturned it.

I understand you meant something else but it is not what you wrote/posted!! Words have meaning! Had there not been a Sunset provision the AW's ban would still be in affect today, why? because it would have taken 60 votes in the Senate to overturn it!!

Drinkthekoolaid said:

Biden calls on Congress to ban assault weapons

Sunday marked the third anniversary of the Parkland school shooting.

news.yahoo.com

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im surprised it took him two weeks to get around to this, its just one more edict to ignore

Drinkthekoolaid said:

Biden calls on Congress to ban assault weapons

Sunday marked the third anniversary of the Parkland school shooting.

news.yahoo.com

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Thats why there are still troops surrounding the white house. I figured as much.

Biden White House Plan to Keep Occupying Troops in DC Through End of Year
By Kristinn Taylor
Published February 13, 2021 at 10:32am
The Biden National Security Council is planning on having National Guard troops continue to occupy the nation’s capital through the end of the year, according to a report by WTTG-TV Fox 5 in Washington, D.C. Additionally, active duty and reserve troops are being considered for deployment.

National Guard could stay in DC until the Fall, source reveals to FOX 5 (fox5dc.com)

holdover said:

Biden White House Plan to Keep Occupying Troops in DC Through End of Year
By Kristinn Taylor
Published February 13, 2021 at 10:32am
The Biden National Security Council is planning on having National Guard troops continue to occupy the nation’s capital through the end of the year, according to a report by WTTG-TV Fox 5 in Washington, D.C. Additionally, active duty and reserve troops are being considered for deployment.

National Guard could stay in DC until the Fall, source reveals to FOX 5 (fox5dc.com)

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its only money, and it just SCREAMS UNITY

They're afraid of what can happen when they confiscate weapons. All of you constitutional white racist, antigovernment terrorists are going to get pissed off.

Everything is coming together in the US according to the plans of the left.

I believe the Military is there for a specific reason.

Brace yourselves.

holdover said:

They're afraid of what can happen when they confiscate weapons. All of you constitutional white racist, antigovernment terrorists are going to get pissed off.

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Gun control worked so well in Chicago.

I think its even worse than that. fear of blowback from whatever shit they have planned.

holdover said:

I think its even worse than that. fear of blowback from whatever shit they have planned.

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If they get that bad, just remember they can't protect their entire cabal. If you can't get the generalissimo, get the guys feeding him.

spat said:

If they get that bad, just remember they can't protect their entire cabal. If you can't get the generalissimo, get the guys feeding him.

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I'm sure you've already read this, but your quote is a fitting place to link this.

For those in this thread who haven't read this short story, you should.

livingston said:

Every man has to decide which way they will go ....However should not be up for debate on a public forum. ... Unless you want your dog shot in the near future....

Take note.

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The way to stop that is to start having these bagel clutches at a few LEO’s homes at 3:00 in the morning.

ManrisFrack said:

Third, have you been living under a rock?!? The fact that everything is digital makes it EASIER to control and, more importantly, manipulate. Even if you can print a viable barrel, it would be easy to put a small, critical, hard to detect void or seam into the file. Then, instead of firing, it blows up in your face.

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I disagree with this point. The files floating around out there are not just for end users its a deep hobby for designers. The designers work as a team or group on designs, continuously improving and modifying. Any such flaw would be very obvious and fixed.
The entire printing community checks literally hundreds of times the design. Typically, new designs are beta tested before being released to the public to ensure they are not shit.

Cavalry said:

I disagree with this point. The files floating around out there are not just for end users its a deep hobby for designers. The designers work as a team or group on designs, continuously improving and modifying. Any such flaw would be very obvious and fixed.
The entire printing community checks literally hundreds of times the design. Typically, new designs are beta tested before being released to the public to ensure they are not shit.

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It doesn't even need to be visible in a model. It could done with subtle modification of the infill or layering pattern. We're basically talking about a pressure vessel here. Not only do you need the printers' hardware and software to stay unadulterated by .gov/bigtech, you also need the modeling programs and their file translation algorithms to remain uncompromised.

Sure, defects will get caught eventually. But I think you underestimate the magnitude to which they can flood the community if they decide to target it. Besides, if you really HAVE to start printing your guns, those guys who know what to look for and how to look for it will disappear - whether through a desire to be discrete or otherwise. The community is small and relatively unknown even now, when the activity is perfectly legal.

All this to say, if they take our guns, printing them won't be a viable salvation. You'd do better running a small job shop out of your garage.

nortatoga said:

Well yeah no shit. Let's just look at your post that I Quoted!




Clinton did the AW ban and when Bush got in he overturned it.

I understand you meant something else but it is not what you wrote/posted!! Words have meaning! Had there not been a Sunset provision the AW's ban would still be in affect today, why? because it would have taken 60 votes in the Senate to overturn it!!

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Bush did nothing. The bill had a sunset clause. In fact, Bush would have signed a renewal if it had made it to his desk. He has said as much.

Apeman said:

I'm sure they will try to take our guns. I'm sure states like NY will jump at the chance to try and make people turn in their guns. I think it'll take a little longer though. SCOTUS has proven that they don't want to take up any new 2a cases but they've already ruled that we have the right to own a gun in our house. At a minimum NY will have to allow you to keep your guns on property an just remove the carry permits. The current justices will either need to overturn that previous ruling or Biden will have to try and pack the court which will take some time to do. It will at least make them present their hand and give people time to prepare. It might actually turn quite a few demoncraps against their own party when their confiscation plans come out. Some of them like guns.

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I dint know where you live, but NYC says you can't keep any gun in house without a permit. So, doesn't really matter what Scotus said. Nyc does it's own thing unchallenged.

They must be planning some blatantly unconstitutional shit, and a lot of it.
Robin