Mandated covid19 vaccines for all NYC employees

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Saltwater60 said:
Ok. Not sure I see the connection there but I’m willing to listen?
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The connection being "my body, my choice". Not that I am trying to stir up the whole abortion argument, but I think you can arguably say "my body, my choice" doesn't stop at abortion.
If you are pro-choice you can extend that to mean that you cannot be forced into putting something into your body that you do not want.
If you are pro-life, you can extend that to mean that you cannot be forced into putting something into your body that you do not want.

That was the point I was trying to make.
 
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I am a county employee. I can't wait to see what kind of bullshit I'm going to have to deal with on Monday after taking a long vacation.
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NONE! You dont have to deal with any of it. Take the hard road , and take people with you. When its my turn, I will do the same. The times are changing.
 
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The Covid cases and flooded hospitals depends on the hospital. It was so mismanaged that the floating hospital Trump sent had about that number. Other hospitals were flooded. And thousands died because of Cuomo’s mismanagement. The number of Covid deaths was high in NYC.
Go look at secondary sources. Go google how many NYC employees died from Covid.

abc7ny.com

Coronavirus News: 30 teachers among 74 DOE employees to die of COVID-19

The New York City Department of Education said it has now lost 74 employees to COVID-19 -- including teachers, staffers in food services, school aides and a computer technology specialist.
abc7ny.com abc7ny.com

Or cop’s who died of covid
www.police1.com

COVID-19: Law enforcement deaths

A compilation of the reports, by state, of U.S. law enforcement personnel who have died of coronavirus-related complications
www.police1.com www.police1.com

Or healthcare workers who died from it

www.statista.com

Infographic: Where U.S. Healthcare Workers Have Died From Covid-19

This chart shows U.S. healthcare worker deaths from Covid-19 by state up to April 07, 2021.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

We can just look at Cuomo and the nursing home. Just the rate of deaths in the nursing homes.

And these numbers are deaths.Not the people who survived due to respirators, or other major medical interventions.

Your brother in law ‘s hospital might have been smart enough not to treat Covid patients if they didn’t have to. ( Since I don’t know the type of hospital- speciality hospitals did turn away Covid patients if they knew they had Covid prior to admittance .
I too have family and friends in healthcare , some at the highest corporate levels. Covid was a very real issue. And they pulled strings to get Covid vaccines for themselves and their families like put their family on the payroll to be eligible when the shot was limited to healthcare employees only. Does that give a clue to how bad it was. Not hype .
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Not saying covid wasn't real. Teachers, cops and doctors are still part of an average society. Their jobs don't equate to health. Basically saying that just because they are a doctor or in the health field that doesn't constitute them being healthy. 99% survival rate. Again, healthy people survive. Also dying with compared to from are two different beasts. My family has implemented protocols to insure we stay well and those protocols have nothing to do with the jab. Yes, it can be done for those who are willing to look and not fall for the bullshit. Bottom line is this. At a minimum, this scamdemic should indicate as an underlying issue, how sick and unhealthy society is. That's the epidemic here..
 
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Wait, how can it be mandated if it's not FDA approved?
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Pretty sure that's why they left the testing option open. Since it's not approved they can't force anyone to get it. I'm sure crazy Joe and the left will start pushing hard for the vaccine to become FDA approved soon so they can jab as many as possible.
 
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Since we are in such a lethal Pandemic and can't get clear numbers of deaths, I'm not hearing about huge expansions of Cemeteries. Hmmmmm??
 
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Defilade said:
Since we are in such a lethal Pandemic and can't get clear numbers of deaths, I'm not hearing about huge expansions of Cemeteries. Hmmmmm??
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Since the "died with vs died from" determination is completely missing (ie died with is assumed to be died from), and we know that the testing method used was completely bogus, all we can do is compare total deaths.


Do, anyone lookup total deaths in the US in 2019 vs 2020 ?

Then subtract the known causes of death that wouldn't be conflated with covid from each total (many of them, like drug overdoses, rose drastically in 2020 due to secondary effects from the lockdown)

See what those numbers look like.

You'll find that covid is not nearly as deadly as was claimed.

They have manipulated much of the data for political reasons making it untrustworthy, but I think they haven't been able to do much about total body counts for each year.
 
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spat said:
Since the "died with vs died from" determination is completely missing (ie died with is assumed to be died from), and we know that the testing method used was completely bogus, all we can do is compare total deaths.


Do, anyone lookup total deaths in the US in 2019 vs 2020 ?

Then subtract the known causes of death that wouldn't be conflated with covid from each total (many of them, like drug overdoses, rose drastically in 2020 due to secondary effects from the lockdown)

See what those numbers look like.

You'll find that covid is not nearly as deadly as was claimed.

They have manipulated much of the data for political reasons making it untrustworthy, but I think they haven't been able to do much about total body counts for each year.
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Sounds like you may have done it. What results did you get?
 
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Dr. Evil said:
Sounds like you may have done it. What results did you get?
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So far it's very difficult to *get* a reliable statistic about how many Americans actually died in 2020.

Seems a bit odd that 8 months later and we can't even get that number.

And then the question, if they don't know how many total deaths there were, how do they know how many died from covid ?
 
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spat said:
So far it's very difficult to *get* a reliable statistic about how many Americans actually died in 2020.

Seems a bit odd that 8 months later and we can't even get that number.

And then the question, if they don't know how many total deaths there were, how do they know how many died from covid ?
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Motherfuckers.
 
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Pretty sure that's why they left the testing option open. Since it's not approved they can't force anyone to get it. I'm sure crazy Joe and the left will start pushing hard for the vaccine to become FDA approved soon so they can jab as many as possible.
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Unless your in health care then you have no testing option. They are short health cate workers now what will they do?
 
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Not saying covid wasn't real. Teachers, cops and doctors are still part of an average society. Their jobs don't equate to health. Basically saying that just because they are a doctor or in the health field that doesn't constitute them being healthy. 99% survival rate. Again, healthy people survive. Also dying with compared to from are two different beasts. My family has implemented protocols to insure we stay well and those protocols have nothing to do with the jab. Yes, it can be done for those who are willing to look and not fall for the bullshit. Bottom line is this. At a minimum, this scamdemic should indicate as an underlying issue, how sick and unhealthy society is. That's the epidemic here..
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Yes, perphaps the co-morbities are an issue but some are unavoidable like old age. Others like cancer or diabetes aren’t always a choice.
We can debate why some of them exist or say that in the past , these people would have been dead already from that and not around to experience a disease that would take advantage of their health condition.
As far as an average part of society, healthcare workers, first responders, and sometimes treachers are exposed to things the average person in society is not normally exposed to including certain diseases.
How often is someone exposed to drug resistant TB, bitten by AIDS infected people, or stuck by an AIDS or heb B or C infected needle. Cops , EMS, ER nurses, routinely deal with those situations.
 
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Yes, perphaps the co-morbities are an issue but some are unavoidable like old age. Others like cancer or diabetes aren’t always a choice.
We can debate why some of them exist or say that in the past , these people would have been dead already from that and not around to experience a disease that would take advantage of their health condition.
As far as an average part of society, healthcare workers, first responders, and sometimes treachers are exposed to things the average person in society is not normally exposed to including certain diseases.
How often is someone exposed to drug resistant TB, bitten by AIDS infected people, or stuck by an AIDS or heb B or C infected needle. Cops , EMS, ER nurses, routinely deal with those situations.
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Understood. Which is why you would think those professions would take care of their health. How many times have I seen an obese cop, nurse, nurses smoking on break, etc.. Yes, they have more situations of exposure. If you side with the terrain theory though instead of the germ theory (which doesn't hold water 99% of the time) you will survive. Also to your point, yes certain things aren't always a choice. That being said, things like epigenetics show us you can have a tremendous influence on your outcome based on how you live. Also, being old doesn't disqualify you from health. It's not how old you are overall, it's how you have lived over the years. I have older patients that are healthier than some of my younger patients. The root problem is we aren't taught what health is and how to have it. That's the bottom line to me in this whole scamdemic.
 
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spat said:
Since the "died with vs died from" determination is completely missing (ie died with is assumed to be died from), and we know that the testing method used was completely bogus, all we can do is compare total deaths.


Do, anyone lookup total deaths in the US in 2019 vs 2020 ?

Then subtract the known causes of death that wouldn't be conflated with covid from each total (many of them, like drug overdoses, rose drastically in 2020 due to secondary effects from the lockdown)

See what those numbers look like.

You'll find that covid is not nearly as deadly as was claimed.

They have manipulated much of the data for political reasons making it untrustworthy, but I think they haven't been able to do much about total body counts for each year.
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I only throw that question out there because.... Critical thinking and all! kinda goes with my assumption as to why I know NOBODY that has been in the hospital or has died from this. Like I said, After a YEAR and a HALF I should know MULTIPLE people by now if so lethal to lock down the world. I work in a building of essential employees in the hundreds and no one in their circle knows anyone either. Many cases, No deaths. Sounds to me like a nasty flu/Cold.
 
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I only throw that question out there because.... Critical thinking and all! kinda goes with my assumption as to why I know NOBODY that has been in the hospital or has died from this. Like I said, After a YEAR and a HALF I should know MULTIPLE people by now if so lethal to lock down the world. I work in a building of essential employees in the hundreds and no one in their circle knows anyone either. Many cases, No deaths. Sounds to me like a nasty flu/Cold.
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I wish I could say the same. I know multiple people who died from it.
 
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And to that I say....How do you know? False PCR test??
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One died after the whole family came up positive for Covid. No co-morbidity that a normal flu would be expected to kill them.

Another died in the nursing home where basically I’m told everyone on the floor died. That doesn’t happen with normal flu outbreaks.
 
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Truebeliever said:
The chances of dying from the vaccine is less than the vaccines you took as a kid.
This not to say you shouldn’t have concerns about long term effects .
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Long term effects like maybe........dying or your blood coagulating? Yeah. Less likely to die with all the years and years of research to pour over in this "vaccine". I just made a fresh pitcher of Kool aid.
 
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One died after the whole family came up positive for Covid. No co-morbidity that a normal flu would be expected to kill them.

Another died in the nursing home where basically I’m told everyone on the floor died. That doesn’t happen with normal flu outbreaks.
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Many said this was a very strong flu season so yes more difficult than the regular flu season. It wasn't more than that though. Guess what, if you keep testing most if not all people will be shown to have been exposed to it. You have been exposed to so much stuff in your life that you aren't even aware of because you don't get tested for something you have no symptoms of typically, until this scamdemic. Again, big difference FROM it compared to WITH it. Also, just because you don't have apparent comorbidity issues by no means means you are healthy with optimal function. I've had patients who were seemingly fine their whole life, didn't feel well and suddenly died of aggressive asymptomatic cancers. They've even named it "silent cancer." Also, sometimes the very first symptom of a heart attack is the heart attack. Goes back to what the average individual thinks "health" is. I will say it again, healthy functioning people don't die FROM covid.
 
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