Marine Cpl
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2A Activists.
1A Activists Have More Balls Than
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Marine Cpl
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They came in in force.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
You can't really break into their houses and confiscate their voices.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
"Yet."
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Not quite equivalent is it.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
So what is the point here and is it of any value? Worth the time ? I'm a dummy and wasted 20 minutes watching it.
I fast forwarded most of this garbage. I see these people as losers. Always have. They change nothing. They act like they are doing a service, but in reality, nothing is accomplished. Well, they do accomplish one thing; they show all of Youtube how ridiculous they look.
S&W Fan
.475 A&M Magnum
Hmm, that’s what you associate with being ballsy eh?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
They actually have brought awareness that you can film in public spaces. They have made it more normal by continuing to do it. In the beginning when these 1A audits started happening, the auditors were arrested and trespassed. Now they are not for the most part and the officers are being trained to leave them alone and they do for the most part. A DHS memo and a court decision has been rendered due to these auditors.
That’s not the case with firearms in most places. Some open carrier activists have succeeded in some places. They have made it more normal in places where it’s legal to do so. But since it isn’t done as often as these 1A Auditors, in many places even though legal, it still is taboo and law enforcement still sees it as threat.
Look at NY for example. Here in NY it is absolutely legal to do so with long guns. Yet it is still taboo to do so unless you are hunting and a call will be made if someone sees a NY resident open carrying a rifle downtown in Main Street.
Marine Cpl
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Yep. Many have been arrested for doing so. Now they are doing it in numbers with multiple auditors. There is a term called mass audit. When someone gets arrested, these guys send a bunch of auditors to the same location over and over until they do not arrest someone for that anymore and Reinstruction is given to the officers.
Marine Cpl
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The point is that they keep doing it at the same locations until they are left alone at that location and then they move to another one. They are educating people and law enforcement that it is a protected right. 2A activists aren’t this persistent.
carpediem
.338 Win Mag
Ok, I'll bite. These "audits" serve no purpose. Big deal, you can film in a federal building. The news does it all the time so I don't see the issue. Your average person isn't working around concerned that they can't film a guy sitting on a desk in the foyer of a federal building. Who the fuck cares? If we "audit" for the 2A, guys in black show up to strip it from us. You are not going to accomplish anything outside the ballot box and nyers' have proven too unmotivated to give a shit. I have been fighting for the 2A since 96, or whenever the awb bullshit started here. People didn't care. The fudds fucked us. Royally. Then the illegals flooded in and the welfare flooded out and now the commucrats have the state in a lock.
You want to lose your 2A right, go trooping downtown carrying a rifle and sidearm. You'll be red flagged and screwed.
These two things are not comparable and no, a dude with a go pro does not have "more balls". He just get more attention and a go fund me for legal fees.
You want to lose your 2A right, go trooping downtown carrying a rifle and sidearm. You'll be red flagged and screwed.
These two things are not comparable and no, a dude with a go pro does not have "more balls". He just get more attention and a go fund me for legal fees.
Marine Cpl
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Oh. But they do. Previously the police didn’t allow themselves to be filmed. Now they begrudgingly do for the most part. This isn’t just in federal buildings. They do this at car stops, DUI checkpoints, ect. It’s a whole organized movement. They go live on the internet and when they get interference from the police, the ones that are watching are calling the watch commander at the police station directly. Sometimes that makes the officer back down.
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Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
I don't think they are educating anyone. What have they gained at the end of the day ? All's they did was make the people in the building take a different exit.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
They have gained that the police will now not intimidate them and tell them that what they are doing isn’t illegal. How can you not see that?
repete
.338 Win Mag
Okay, I get that with the 1st, but how many times are you going to be able to lead the way open carrying a gun in NY before you lose your PP? You first bud we'll be behind you!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I wouldn’t do an open carry a pistol and says only exempt for concealed carry. But my point behind all of this is that we myself included only talk. That’s a fact.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I agree with this. Cops used to think they were special snowflakes who got to not be filmed while in public and they generally know better now. It's videos like this that have established this as precedent.
repete
.338 Win Mag
True that! (me too) I call, I write letters, I send emails. What happens? NADA!
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Apparently the ATF broke into his house last night, planted drugs and shot his dog as a warning. DEA executing a no-knock warrant this morning. FBI just pasted TRUMP bumper stickers on his Prius before it was towed and impounded. He's now RED-FLAGGED and DHS put him on the no-fly list.
See the stuff that happens when the camera is off?
See the stuff that happens when the camera is off?
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carpediem
.338 Win Mag
Alright, I get some of what you say. But, ask yourself this, being I assume a younger guy, how did we (as in us that are older) survive the rampant corruption you say exists in policing when there were no cell phones and no go pros? I was man handled by the troopers. That's a fact. So we fucked with them back.
For instance, one night I wanted a soda at 2am. I walked down to the four corners in town where there was a soda machine. It was a nice warm summer night, I believe it was 1986. A trooper car drove by. Only an idiot would think they weren't coming back to make contact with me, just because.
I ran. I hid behind a nearby house because fuck them. Sure enough, they retuned and the hunt was on. Spotlights and endless cruising up and down. I timed my movement to coincide with their laps and actually had an adrenaline rush of a good time fucking with those idiots.
To me, that's more ballsy than filming the foyer of a building for no reason. I taught them a lesson too. The next time they saw me getting a soda at 2am, was it worth hours of their time to bother trying to make contact, or is it best to just drive on.
These first amendment auditors are the answer to a problem very few people were having. Just record the police regardless of what they say, if you are so inclined.
Are there corrupt police? Absofuckingloutely! To believe otherwise is retarded. Are there decent police? Same answer. Why waste everyone's time with these audits looking for that one dick of a cop? You'll find them alright, cause they are out there.
The people fighting for the 2A cannot go bust in to the foyer of a federal building open carrying. We all know that won't end well. The same with trooping down the street and begging to be stopped. You may find that one dumbass rookie who smokes your ass. Well, that wouldn't be good.
You are comparing apples (cameras) to oranges (firearms). The police react to each differently. One gets you arrested, the other gets you dead.
So no, the millennial with the camera is not even remotely "ballsy". Just more pushy and irritating....
Marine Cpl
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This guy did both. And if he and others keep doing it, then it wouldn’t be abnormal just like the cop said which his reasoning for the stop.
Rights are like a muscles. If you stop using them they wither away. More people should be doing this. Not just one guy but an organized group to back each other up. Once it becomes commonplace, it isn’t abnormal anymore. Imagine if every Sunday 50 people showed up to a different police station or government building to exercise that muscle?
Rights are like a muscles. If you stop using them they wither away. More people should be doing this. Not just one guy but an organized group to back each other up. Once it becomes commonplace, it isn’t abnormal anymore. Imagine if every Sunday 50 people showed up to a different police station or government building to exercise that muscle?
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Marine Cpl
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And there you go. The exact reasons why it should be done.