2022 Best LPVO round up review
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GTN
.308 Win
I didn’t watch the video but I like this on for my ar10 Primary Arms SLx 1-6x24mm FFP Rifle Scope - Illuminated ACSS-RAPTOR-5.56/.308
Watch the video! PA's 1-8 got their top pick.
He’s banned bruhhhh, he can’t comment lol.
PutnamCharlie
6.5 Creedmoor
Again ????? WTF
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
I've been going down this rabbit hole lately and wondering is anyone has experience with, or owns any of the optics mentioned?
Also I don't see it mentioned but any feed back on the Swampfox Arrowhead or Tomahawk?
Also I don't see it mentioned but any feed back on the Swampfox Arrowhead or Tomahawk?
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
OMFG haven't you boomers heard? The LPVO fad is SO two-weeks-ago.
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I run the Vortex Razor. Except mine is the more expensive HD Gen III 1-10x. It’s a nice scope.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
Heard nothing but good things about the Razor. Unfortunately its out of my price range
too bad @Edwardteach72 got banned this one of the few types of posts he was good with
He doesn’t own an lpvo. He hasn’t bought one yet. There’s a few good options. What’s your price range?
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
$5-600 tops not including mount
But I will also say that with lpvo’s it’s kinda hard to skimp on them and also get really good quality. If you want a really good quality optic, you pretty much want at least a $1k budget to start. If you’re able to save some the Razor Gen II’s are good. There’s other options in that price range as well.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
16" 556
I do like the Vortex line up at that price point.
Honestly i feel like Vortex and PA are great balance of quality and price. Also, recently ran into a review of the Swampfox line and they seem to be trying to step into that same price/mid tier market
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
This will be just a range toy for me for the most part. Not looking for duty grade. More im just getting bored with red dots and want to explore something with a bit more capability
TJ12010
9mm
I got talked into buying a very expensive Steiner LPVO for one of my rifles. I really should learn how to use the thing to it's full potential. It's WAY above my skill set. Honestly, I'd love to unload it if I could get a fair price for it. Red dots do all I need.
Vapor
.308 Win
I have a burris MTAC 1-4 that I really like.
I wouldn't hesitate to try the Burris RT6.
I wouldn't hesitate to try the Burris RT6.
I hear ya. So skimping on lpvo’s isn’t quite the same as doing it in red dots, I don’t agree with doing either if possible but that’s not always feasible. But for skimping on lpvo’s, one of the largest factors is glass quality. Cheap red dots usually have kinda crappy glass and some kinda sub par reticle but at 1x and for quick shooting it works ok. When you get cheap lpvo’s you get lower quality glass which really affects how the lpvo is usable for the shooter. Which can turn someone off to lpvo’s quickly and make them think they suck…when really they just have a crappy optic. Cheap ones tend to have bulky housings that takes up a ton of fov, mushy turrets for wind age/elevation adjustment that also don’t track correctly to their desired measurements, glass quality with degrading light transmission, lack of the 1x magnification setting be a true 1x, the edge distortion is higher on lower quality lpvo’s and give you the fisheye effect.
All those things possibly going against you, it’s very easy to buy a cheap one to see if you like it, just to be turned off to lpvo’s and get the notion that you don’t like them when really you’re not giving it a fair shake. It’s much more expensive on the manufacturing level to build a higher quality scope than it is a red dot or holographic sight. With all that said, I’m not saying go and buy a top of the line lpvo but just realize that if you do buy a budget lpvo, that there might be something that you don’t like and that “something” is most likely specifically to that optic itself and not lpvo’s as a whole.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
great stuff, thanks for the advice!
Are you running first or second focal plane? Any preference on one or the other?
I prefer FFP for lpvo’s that go down to 1x. I don’t want the reticle taking up my entire fov when I’m running at 1x like an sfp does. The main reason for choosing an lpvo that’s a 1-*something*x…is so you can use the 1x like a red dot. I don’t want my stadias being more intrusive than they need to be. When I want to dial up, I can and then I’m still able to use the stadias and lines when I needs/want them. Also all the stadias of the reticle stay correct throughout the range of magnification. So say you know your dope and you know that at 400yd you have to hold a certain amount. With an ffp, you can use those lines no matter what magnification you’re at. With an sfp, you have to use it only at the highest magnification due to the reticle only being true when it’s cranked up to its highest setting.
That's really down more to reticle design. I did A LOT of research and window shopping when I was looking to put glass on the DD General Purpose Rifle (I like the Brass Facts appellation better than "Recce" now) more than a year's worth in fact. I found that very few FFP reticles scaled well. The VUDU was an example of of a good FFP reticle and the Nightforce reticles I thought were terrible in this regard. I thought that the reticles were either too fine at 1x or too coarse at top magnification. It is more difficult to brightly illuminate a FFP reticle as well. For a 1-4 or 1-6 I think SFP is the way to go. At any distance you would need to range or do holds you would be at max magnification anyway. Then it just comes down to finding a good reticle you like. Obscuring the target view is why I hate the segmented circles found in Trijicon and Nightforce scopes, the segments are far too thick. The Kahles SM1 circle dot reticle is far better, excellent at 1x and it illuminates very brightly. My issues with that reticle is that the vertical stadia lines are busy and the lack of proper windage stadia, though the inner "parenthesis" hashmarks can be effectively used for lead/wind holds with the help of Strelok.
With the SM1 only the dot and circle are illuminated and with the brightness cranked it is rather like using a Eotech type reticle, the missing bottom portion of the reticle aligns perfectly for height over bore sighting at CQB distance, and incidentally I find also for the 385 yard plate at my new range.
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meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
hearing those youtubers talk about a lgtbq lpvo non sense sound like listening to plumbers giving opinions and advice on heart bypass surgery.
rapid scopes have been there for decades in hunting scout and big game hunting where speed and accuracy are key, even more critical than a defensive carbine like the ones on top of a dangerous game rifle. This 1x non sense only tells me these youtubers dont have a clue what they are talking about.
A quality rapid scope is a very good choice for many roles and for many reasons.
of course POS glass is garbage rapid or not so one gets what one pays for.
rapid scopes have been there for decades in hunting scout and big game hunting where speed and accuracy are key, even more critical than a defensive carbine like the ones on top of a dangerous game rifle. This 1x non sense only tells me these youtubers dont have a clue what they are talking about.
A quality rapid scope is a very good choice for many roles and for many reasons.
of course POS glass is garbage rapid or not so one gets what one pays for.
mca90guitar
.357 mag
Can find him on Reddit
mca90guitar
.357 mag
I can't complain about my rt6, reticle is nice, glass is clear, holds zero. Only complaint is the turrets are not clicky at all. Not a issue once setup but rather have a nicer clicky feel when sighting in.
Your indicated interests imply to me that perhaps you yourself don't quite understand what current LPVOs are used for.
An AR15 outfitted with an LPVO is not a tool tailored for hunting, though it can fill that role, nor precision target shooting, though again can be used for such. An LPVO is a compromise optic intended to preserve the strengths of a light, handy carbine like the AR15 while extending its capabilities somewhat. The 1x of the LPVO is there to provide rapid acquisition of very close range targets while offering an enhanced ability to engage more distant ones. The characteristics of this kind of scope are optimized for the kind of dynamics a shooter would encounter in speed based competitions and for defensive/combative use against humans, both situations that can call for a rapid shift in requirements on the fly and the inclusion of more variables than would be found in a hunting or more static precision based competition. An LPVO is inferior to a red dot for closeup work and inferior to more traditional scopes for longer range precision work but is able to give a reasonable capability in either area.
I posted another video in a thread about the drawbacks of 1-10x scopes, the youtuber presenting the information seems to have a firm grasp of the technical aspects of both the equipment and it's practical applications.
You have a great deal of knowledge and you have been a good resource to these forms but I think you should consider that the things you value and require for the types of shooting you do are not universal to all shooters. Your shooting interests are indeed somewhat specialized whereas your various 1-whichever LPVO is very much a tool for a generalist and this perhaps presents you with a bias.
Am I reading that correctly? You’re saying that speed and accuracy are more critical while hunting than in a defensive situation? Cause I’m pretty sure if you’re in a defensive situation, there’s a 100% chance that the person you’re defending against already wants to hurt or kill you (that’s why you’re defending). I’m not saying that it’s not dangerous to hunt some game but more people get killed by other people than any dangerous game ever have by an astronomical margin.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The First thing one needs to understand is what a tool is really for and not what we think is for based on some arbitrary opinions typical of online communities.
this is going to be a large thread about things we covered extensively before long time ago so I rather be in my desktop, hard to do from the phone.
in the mean time lets see some youtube tactical video that might help save someone's life...
this is going to be a large thread about things we covered extensively before long time ago so I rather be in my desktop, hard to do from the phone.
in the mean time lets see some youtube tactical video that might help save someone's life...
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
Great video, I thought that channel looked familiar and they did a similar round-up years ago. For scope newbs like me it's great information and well worth the 17 minute watch. No extra fluff, just awesome bits of information.
I only have a Primary Arms 1-6x as I don't do much long distance.. eventually I'd like to work on further than 200 yards (max of my range) but man that's a $$$ investment I'm not ready for...