2A Lawsuits and their progress we have here in NY

Defilade · Jul 13, 2022

Needs to be a sticky!

ArmedCorgi · Jul 13, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
So it appears between last Friday (7-08-22) and yesterday, Tuesday (7-12-22) there has been 5 Lawsuits filed against NY State and its anti 2A gun laws.

There is probably more to come in the coming days or weeks. I will update the title and first post if any new ones are added

Death by a thousand cuts

Acer-m14 · Jul 14, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
Paladino v. Bruen (Filed 7-11-22)
Challange to some of NY's new Concealed Carry laws.

cause of action .. 42 U.S. Code § 1981 - Equal rights under the law

why not all ?? like its a poll tax for one .. and what about open carry .. toss that in there too ..

nortatoga · Jul 14, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
Minor update.

Sounds like NYSRPA is planning their own challange to the new carry laws.. if they file a lawsuit I will add it to initial post with the others.

NYSRPA planning to challenge New York's new concealed carry laws

NYSRPA was waiting for the court's action on other cases.

spectrumlocalnews.com

Now that NY has showed it hand this may be the correct course to take, all these other case's may have to wait as the NYSRPA case is on going.

Hochulsucks1234 · Jul 14, 2022

I have spoke to my attorney regarding a lawsuit. Specifically about the social media history requirement and 1st Amendment violation as well as being a business owner and possible civil rights violations. He told me to wait until the law goes into effect Sept 1 and see what action they take.

Perhaps we should all be suing these bastards. At least retain a lawyer. Obviously money can be an issue and thats understandable.

lrick · Jul 14, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
It's pretty interesting to me how defeated a lot of people are acting, and yes part of me somewhat gets it because the new carry bill that was signed into law is absolutely horrible.

But it seems like most are missing the big picture, I think you keep putting it best. NY showed all its cards before the start of the hand.

What NY believed to be a power move (similar to Cuomo and the safe act) and pushing a bill through start to finish in only a few hours is actually the complete opposite. It was a sign of panic and weakness.

Side note NY also shot itself in the foot (pun intended) by doing what well I and many others (but not enought) 2A advocates have been trying to do for years, they exposed and took down the NRA.. by doing this they have removed a powerful ally who would have worked with them hand in hand for "compromise" (aka mutual sustainability), they have open the flood gates to true 2A organizations who are going for real change.

Great observations.

Meanwhile the leftists publicly attack the NRA as the patron saints of 2A rights while the GOA, FPC and NYSRPA do the heavy lifting. I like it...let it ride.

The most effective and honest 2A defenders will actually try to work themselves out of a job.

lrick · Jul 14, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
They attack the NRA who is their (the gun grabbers) biggest allies

Ironic isn't it?

Not surprising their aim is for shit. lol

maverick52 · Jul 14, 2022

I wonder how soon we can expect an injunction? I’m not privy to how the legal system works but I am imagining this can take a while.

nortatoga · Jul 14, 2022

lrick said:
Great observations.

Meanwhile the leftists publicly attack the NRA as the patron saints of 2A rights while the GOA, FPC and NYSRPA do the heavy lifting. I like it...let it ride.

The most effective and honest 2A defenders will actually try to work themselves out of a job.

NYSRPA is the NRA.

NRA State Associations

Representing all 50 states, these independent organizations are affiliated with and recognized by the National Rifle Association.

stateassociations.nra.org

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc.

713 Columbia Tpke
East Greenbush, NY 12061
Phone: 518-272-2654
Email: info@nysrpa.org
Website: www.nysrpa.org

Thomas H. King, President
Phone: 518-424-1349
Email: tking@nysrpa.org

af·fil·i·ate
verb

1.officially attach or connect (a subsidiary group or a person) to an organization:"the college is affiliated with the University of Wisconsin"

noun

1.a person or organization officially attached to a larger body:"the company established links with British affiliates"

Do any of these other 2A groups have State affiliates?

It was the NRA that funded this lawsuit.

nortatoga · Jul 14, 2022

8w7 said:
Being an affiliate is not being part of the NRA. The NYSRPA is an independent organization. The NRA just recognizes them and provides assistance when needed. The problem is that it is token assistance.

In 2013 the NRA provided a measly of sum of a few 10s of thousands of dollars.

In 2013 NYSRPA had money of their own, after Tom King became a paid president they lost a lot of membership, I was one of them.

camper4lyfe · Jul 15, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
It's pretty interesting to me how defeated a lot of people are acting, and yes part of me somewhat gets it because the new carry bill that was signed into law is absolutely horrible.

But it seems like most are missing the big picture, I think you keep putting it best. NY showed all its cards before the start of the hand.

What NY believed to be a power move (similar to Cuomo and the safe act) and pushing a bill through start to finish in only a few hours is actually the complete opposite. It was a sign of panic and weakness.

Side note NY also shot itself in the foot (pun intended) by doing what well I and many others (but not enought) 2A advocates have been trying to do for years, they exposed and took down the NRA.. by doing this they have removed a powerful ally who would have worked with them hand in hand for "compromise" (aka mutual sustainability), they have open the flood gates to true 2A organizations who are going for real change.

I think the defeated attitude is really based on past experience. Nothing good has come from court challenges in the past, pre-Bruen. It's just hard to accept the future based on Bruen has a lot of potential.

camper4lyfe · Jul 15, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
I've said it many times in the last year, NY has done a good job gaining help from gun owners by conditioning them to this mentality

With Bruen now in the back pocket, I've switched to cautiously optimistic rather than outright pessimistic.

ManualF150 · Jul 15, 2022

camper4lyfe said:
With Bruen now in the back pocket, I've switched to cautiously optimistic rather than outright pessimistic.

Same thoughts here.

Zerex · Jul 15, 2022

I am so happy I could cry. At age 74, I have lived long enough at age 74, to see justice begin to be served.
Many, many of my late friends, must be happy, where ever they are.

The 2nd Circuit Ct has yet to release the SCOTUS rules, that NYS has to follow.................so, these lawsuits may be moot after that happens, or the 2nd says FU to SCOTUS yet again.

NYS will say FU again and again, in any case, as Communists cannot institutie the taking of your gas and wood stoves, and guns, to establish social justice reparations, that we are responsible for preventing, because of the 2nd amendments intentions--- of creating fear, in any and all, deep state creatures..

I suspect that the lawsuits will have be refiled again and again, in the game of legal chess, that the degenerate bitch and Amy Schumers uncle ,are going to try to play, using ignorant aunt Jemima.

Zerex · Jul 15, 2022

80% Letitia!!!!!!!!!

Dr. Evil · Jul 15, 2022

Following the landmark, pro-2A SCOTUS decision in NYSRPA v. Bruen, FPC is preparing to unleash a whirlwind of litigation like you've never seen before to advance your Second Amendment rights.

We're going to go FULL THROTTLE after the tyrants from coast to coast in cases that will make petty despots like Nancy Pelosi TREMBLE. But first we have to re-ink the FPC Lawsuit Printer.

Will be donating again! :rock:

CaliberPlus · Jul 15, 2022

Zerex said:
I am so happy I could cry. At age 74, I have lived long enough at age 74, to see justice begin to be served.
Many, many of my late friends, must be happy, where ever they are.

The 2nd Circuit Ct has yet to release the SCOTUS rules, that NYS has to follow.................so, these lawsuits may be moot after that happens, or the 2nd says FU to SCOTUS yet again.

NYS will say FU again and again, in any case, as Communists cannot institutie the taking of your gas and wood stoves, and guns, to establish social justice reparations, that we are responsible for preventing, because of the 2nd amendments intentions--- of creating fear, in any and all, deep state creatures..

I suspect that the lawsuits will have be refiled again and again, in the game of legal chess, that the degenerate bitch and Amy Schumers uncle ,are going to try to play, using ignorant aunt Jemima.

Can you elaborate a bit more on this? I honestly do not remember a case that has had such a personal impact on me as this one. It has been many years since I studied the court system process.

CaliberPlus · Jul 15, 2022

I hope NYSRPA is taking on the "law" (A10503) which requires a license for a semi rifle and the "law" (S4970A) which has huge overreach on any person walking into a gun store. I have mostly heard about the justified outrage against the handgun permit business.

nortatoga · Jul 15, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
I believe GOA does

Kind of but not really..

Does GOA have state chapters? GOA is active at the federal level and in all 50 states. Affiliated with GOA is Gun Owners of California, which operates exclusively in that state. GOA also has state spokespersons and directors across the country.

redtail · Jul 15, 2022

I have to say FPC has the hard core swag out of the bunch.
I'm on a shopping spree..lol

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lrick · Jul 15, 2022

nortatoga said:
NYSRPA is the NRA.

NRA State Associations

Representing all 50 states, these independent organizations are affiliated with and recognized by the National Rifle Association.

stateassociations.nra.org

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc.

713 Columbia Tpke
East Greenbush, NY 12061
Phone: 518-272-2654
Email: info@nysrpa.org
Website: www.nysrpa.org

Thomas H. King, President
Phone: 518-424-1349
Email: tking@nysrpa.org

af·fil·i·ate
verb

1.officially attach or connect (a subsidiary group or a person) to an organization:"the college is affiliated with the University of Wisconsin"

noun

1.a person or organization officially attached to a larger body:"the company established links with British affiliates"

Do any of these other 2A groups have State affiliates?

It was the NRA that funded this lawsuit.

Did I read that right? I post agreement with a well-informed, well-respected member and I get dressed down? Did that just happen? I guess maybe I’m the low hanging fruit.

So be it...here goes.

Not sure but it sounds like you're defending the NRA - the same organization that was modeled after the British National Rifle Association – I mean, you can read the tea leaves. It’s only a matter of time before our LEOs have rape whistles and billy clubs to control the street thugs. Today’s NRA is a shadow of its former self and not what our fathers or grand-fathers grew up supporting.

The same group that whiffed at the ’68 GCA, Brady Act, ’94 AWB, State-level AWB after sunset, unSafe Act (what else am I missing? Ghost guns? What else?) and currently appear to be Not Really Active? The only docket I see them on is as the Respondent.

The same group that gave FUKH an “A” rating? And an endorsement?

Don’t misread me, I’m not giving King overdue credit (or any at all), but in light of Bruen I felt it only right to include NYSRPA in my comment to edwardteach. Who knows, every once in a while the inmates run the asylum, doesn't matter, we won - this battle. We all know NYSRPA has struck out before, but this time they hit it and I’m not looking a gift horse in the mouth, nor am I paying the NRA credit. The credit really belongs to Clement, Murphy and SCOTUS – I suppose also to Underwood for sucking as bad as she did.

Frankly, their affiliation is akin something like the American Cancer Society to the United Way, in which the UW is the fund-raising hub that tosses pennies to charities it’s affiliated with. NYSRPA is no more the NRA than the ACS is the United Way. They have working relationships together because they are bound by common causes. At the end of the day they are still independent organizations. From the NRA website:

“State Associations are independent organizations affiliated with and recognized by the NRA. Your NRA membership does not include membership in your State Association.”

As far as I can see the NRA’s legal involvement was nil and I have found nothing about financing, they were mentioned only twice in the syllabus - once in Breyer’s dissenting opinion and once in a footnote and not at all in the filings. I’m no lawyer, but I would imagine if there was an undue amount of legal or financial support directly from another agency or organization it would need to be disclosed. I would expect them to be mentioned a bit more in the filing and the judgment.

I'm not sure what the point was about state affiliates anyway, 2A rights are supposed to cross state borders, right?

Gun Owners of America – New York – Molon Labe

goanys.com

If I misread you, I sincerely apologize, but I stated the reason for my opinion.

Acer-m14 · Jul 15, 2022

nortatoga · Jul 15, 2022

lrick said:
Did I read that right? I post agreement with a well-informed, well-respected member and I get dressed down? Did that just happen? I guess maybe I’m the low hanging fruit. So be it...here goes.

Not sure but it sounds like you're defending the NRA - the same organization that was modeled after the British National Rifle Association – I mean, you can read the tea leaves. It’s only a matter of time before our LEOs have rape whistles and billy clubs to control the street thugs. Today’s NRA is a shadow of its former self and not what our fathers or grand-fathers grew up supporting.

The same group that whiffed at the ’68 GCA, Brady Act, ’94 AWB, State-level AWB after sunset, unSafe Act (what else am I missing? Ghost guns? What else?) and currently appear to be Not Really Active? The only docket I see them on is as the Respondent.

The same group that gave FUKH an “A” rating? And an endorsement?

Don’t misread me, I’m not giving King overdue credit (or any at all), but in light of Bruen I felt it only right to include NYSRPA in my comment to edwardteach. Who knows, every once in a while the inmates run the asylum, doesn't matter, we won - this battle. We all know NYSRPA has struck out before, but this time they hit it and I’m not looking a gift horse in the mouth, nor am I paying the NRA credit. The credit really belongs to Clement, Murphy and SCOTUS – I suppose also to Underwood for sucking as bad as she did.

Frankly, their affiliation is akin something like the American Cancer Society to the United Way, in which the UW is the fund-raising hub that tosses pennies to charities it’s affiliated with. NYSRPA is no more the NRA than the ACS is the United Way. They have working relationships together because they are bound by common causes. At the end of the day they are still independent organizations. From the NRA website:

“State Associations are independent organizations affiliated with and recognized by the NRA. Your NRA membership does not include membership in your State Association.”

As far as I can see the NRA’s legal involvement was nil and I have found nothing about financing, they were mentioned only twice in the syllabus - once in Breyer’s dissenting opinion and once in a footnote and not at all in the filings. I’m no lawyer, but I would imagine if there was an undue amount of legal or financial support directly from another agency or organization it would need to be disclosed. I would expect them to be mentioned a bit more in the filing and the judgment.

I'm not sure what the point was about state affiliates anyway, 2A rights are supposed to cross state borders, right?

Gun Owners of America – New York – Molon Labe

goanys.com

If I misread you, I sincerely apologize, but I stated the reason for my opinion.

Sorry you feel I dressed you down, But I'll let Tom King in his own words inform you how the NRA paid most if now all of the 2 million dollar this case cost!

nortatoga · Jul 15, 2022

8w7 said:
And they still do with no help from the NRA.

Is that so?

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Looks like they were in the red - $50.443 in 2016 and - $98.224 in 2017 but some how got 2 million for this case.

Acer-m14 · Jul 15, 2022

So the NRA did one thing right and we should forget of all the past deeds ??

2A Lawsuits and their progress we have here in NY

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