2A Lawsuits and their progress we have here in NY

lrick · Jul 15, 2022

nortatoga said:
Sorry you feel I dressed you down, But I'll let Tom King in his own words inform you how the NRA paid most if now all of the 2 million dollar this case cost!

Quoting from Merriam-Webster made it seem that way to me- reminded me of my ex lol.

I had not seen this, I wish you had posted it first - you'd have saved me a bunch of typing. Might have even thought about dressing myself down...a little.

I'll cut them some slack and be grateful they did finance it. But taking the case 5 years ago would have seemed more a crap shoot at that time than with today's SCOTUS make-up. The 3 year delay did play to our benefit. What does really bother me in all this is the law firm that initially took the case sent Clement and Murphy packing. It's almost as if it wasn't expected to win.

Now I have to wonder if the NRA laying low legislatively isn't a strategy in itself. Freaking 3D chess. I might be more confused now.

Thank you for posting it!

nortatoga · Jul 15, 2022

lrick said:
Quoting from Merriam-Webster made it seem that way to me- reminded me of my ex lol.

I had not seen this, I wish you had posted it first - you'd have saved me a bunch of typing. Might have even thought about dressing myself down...a little.

I'll cut them some slack and be grateful they did finance it. But taking the case 5 years ago would have seemed more a crap shoot at that time than with today's SCOTUS make-up. The 3 year delay did play to our benefit. What does really bother me in all this is the law firm that initially took the case sent Clement and Murphy packing. It's almost as if it wasn't expected to win.

Now I have to wonder if the NRA laying low legislatively isn't a strategy in itself. Freaking 3D chess. I might be more confused now.

Thank you for posting it!

I only heard about this video today from a Club member, and then had to find it. I knew that facts just needed the proof. Researching ones opinions in an unbiased way is the best.

lrick · Jul 15, 2022

nortatoga said:
I only heard about this video today from a Club member, and then had to find it. I knew that facts just neede the proof. Researching ones opinions in an unbiased way is the best.

Yeah I sometimes need to remind myself not everything is a rabbit hole. Good info, glad you shared it.

Acer-m14 · Jul 15, 2022

The NRA backed a 1934 machine gun ban

but now there

Acer-m14 · Jul 15, 2022

question .. where is the NRA now ? they backing GOA and FPC ??

nortatoga · Jul 15, 2022

Acer-m14 said:
The NRA backed a 1934 machine gun ban
but now there

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Guess you also believe white people today are to blame for slavery too!

Acer-m14 · Jul 16, 2022

nortatoga said:
Guess you also believe white people today are to blame for slavery too!

looks at the makeup of our Govt .. yep .. most are white and still making us slaves ..

BerettaGuy · Jul 16, 2022

The SCOTUS basically "bitch slapped" the lower courts into the reality of how to interpret the Constitution and gun cases in particular. Now we must wait to see if they will follow the rule of law or continue to "go Rouge" and continue to follow their liberal masters.

We now have Congress people calling for the outright ban of the SCOTUS rulings because their Marxist agenda has been crushed.
We have state legislatures saying FU to the SCOUTS and passing every wild hair up-the-ass law ever dreamed of and a Governor signing them as fast as she can.

If the lower courts continue to uphold unconstitutional laws of infringement and we have elected officials outright defying the constitution and these lawsuits are denied by the lower courts, what are we going to do about it?

We will pull a box of cheerios out of the cupboard and say Nuttin Honey.

We won't call for harassing legislators and judges at restaurants or demonstrating outside of their homes. We won't put on vagina hats and protest without butt cheeks hanging out. We won't scream while shaking uncontrollably about the injustice of a corrupt system. We will file more lawsuits.

In the end, the lawyers will purchase a new Audi and we will comply with whatever bullshit they dream up in Albany. hen we will be staying home on election day because the democrat liberals have instructed the media to gaslight us into believing our votes don't matter, and "we" are so phucking smart we let them do it.

Why are licensed pistol permit holders the only law-abiding group left in New York? Why do they wear molon labe tee shirts?

Democrats are on the verge of a historic record-breaking loss of seats in the November election.
Everywhere except here in NY, because our vote against them doesn't matter. Right? Keep telling yourself that as you stand under the gas light.

Zerex · Jul 16, 2022

"I'm the NRA"
Yep that's me a Fudd with EBR's, etc.
I contribute to the 2AF,GOA and others.

Since the NRA paid the freight on the Bruen/NYSRPA case, they ought to get a pass from now on.

Defilade · Jul 16, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
Lmfao.. fuck the NRA.. I cannot wait until they are finally dissolved 100% and are nothing more than a shit stain of a memory

But you can get a Sticker for the back of your truck!

lrick · Jul 16, 2022

I have full confidence in the NRA to protect the gun rights of trap and skeet shooters from coast to coast. :ROFL:

nortatoga · Jul 16, 2022

Defilade said:
But you can get a Sticker for the back of your truck!

Or just picking up the 2 million dollar tab for Bruen, but some just need a dog to kick! Carry on....

nonconformist · Jul 16, 2022

lrick said:
Did I read that right? I post agreement with a well-informed, well-respected member and I get dressed down? Did that just happen? I guess maybe I’m the low hanging fruit. So be it...here goes.

Not sure but it sounds like you're defending the NRA - the same organization that was modeled after the British National Rifle Association – I mean, you can read the tea leaves. It’s only a matter of time before our LEOs have rape whistles and billy clubs to control the street thugs. Today’s NRA is a shadow of its former self and not what our fathers or grand-fathers grew up supporting.

The same group that whiffed at the ’68 GCA, Brady Act, ’94 AWB, State-level AWB after sunset, unSafe Act (what else am I missing? Ghost guns? What else?) and currently appear to be Not Really Active? The only docket I see them on is as the Respondent.

The same group that gave FUKH an “A” rating? And an endorsement?

Don’t misread me, I’m not giving King overdue credit (or any at all), but in light of Bruen I felt it only right to include NYSRPA in my comment to edwardteach. Who knows, every once in a while the inmates run the asylum, doesn't matter, we won - this battle. We all know NYSRPA has struck out before, but this time they hit it and I’m not looking a gift horse in the mouth, nor am I paying the NRA credit. The credit really belongs to Clement, Murphy and SCOTUS – I suppose also to Underwood for sucking as bad as she did.

Frankly, their affiliation is akin something like the American Cancer Society to the United Way, in which the UW is the fund-raising hub that tosses pennies to charities it’s affiliated with. NYSRPA is no more the NRA than the ACS is the United Way. They have working relationships together because they are bound by common causes. At the end of the day they are still independent organizations. From the NRA website:

“State Associations are independent organizations affiliated with and recognized by the NRA. Your NRA membership does not include membership in your State Association.”

As far as I can see the NRA’s legal involvement was nil and I have found nothing about financing, they were mentioned only twice in the syllabus - once in Breyer’s dissenting opinion and once in a footnote and not at all in the filings. I’m no lawyer, but I would imagine if there was an undue amount of legal or financial support directly from another agency or organization it would need to be disclosed. I would expect them to be mentioned a bit more in the filing and the judgment.

I'm not sure what the point was about state affiliates anyway, 2A rights are supposed to cross state borders, right?

Gun Owners of America – New York – Molon Labe

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If I misread you, I sincerely apologize, but I stated the reason for my opinion.

Considering that Governor Hochul previously held pro-2A views when she was Erie County clerk and then as House Rep, I mean, it's rather unfair to ding the NRA for not being soothsayers and predict her about face.

lrick · Jul 16, 2022

nonconformist said:
Considering that Governor Hochul previously held pro-2A views when she was Erie County clerk and then as House Rep, I mean, it's rather unfair to ding the NRA for not being soothsayers and predict her about face.

She's a politician, she held no views, she only held whatever public policy position was politically expedient at the time.
This hasn't been just an about face, it's been the mother of all about faces. Lobbyists that take donations for the purpose of fighting for our rights have a duty to see through pols lies in much the same way that Republican have (or should have) a duty to see through RINOs. That's a high bar, I'll concede that, but No democrat deserves an "A" from the NRA, ever.

tirwin1 · Jul 16, 2022

lrick said:
She's a politician, she held no views, she only held whatever public policy position was politically expedient at the time.
This hasn't been just an about face, it's been the mother of all about faces. Lobbyists that take donations for the purpose of fighting for our rights have a duty to see through pols lies in much the same way that Republican have (or should have) a duty to see through RINOs. That's a high bar, I'll concede that, but No democrat deserves an "A" from the NRA, ever.

Agree 100%. We have two examples from NYS of pro-gun legislators when they were local nobodies. But as soon as they become statewide or get national recognition they quickly change their position. Typical lying politicians. Tar and feathers are appropriate in my opinion.

lrick · Jul 16, 2022

tirwin1 said:
Agree 100%. We have two examples from NYS of pro-gun legislators when they were local nobodies. But as soon as they become statewide or get national recognition they quickly change their position. Typical lying politicians. Tar and feathers are appropriate in my opinion.

Yep. Pro 2A democrats are like one decent looking apple in a bowl of rotten apples - just a matter of time before it turns. How much would you trust it not to turn?

Celt · Jul 16, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
I've said it many times in the last year, NY has done a good job gaining help from gun owners by conditioning them to this mentality

You have, and Ive been guilty of feeling hopeless at times, but not perpetually hopeless. I am more often optimistic than pessimistic, and with the Bruen decision I am even more optimistic.

My hope is that the key lawsuits will be successful (aw bans, mag restrictions, and new permitting laws to all be struck down), and that the left will push too hard in response and lose their grip on the state, and its people.

togmaster · Jul 16, 2022

Celt said:
You have, and Ive been guilty of feeling hopeless at times, but not perpetually hopeless. I am more often optimistic than pessimistic, and with the Bruen decision I am even more optimistic.

My hope is that the key lawsuits will be successful (aw bans, mag restrictions, and new permitting laws to all be struck down), and that the left will push too hard in response and lose their grip on the state, and its people.

Hopeful yes but be realistic. Look at the growing population of this state. City rats that only vote to get more free shit. The left will control this state for a long time.

Celt · Jul 16, 2022

togmaster said:
Hopeful yes but be realistic. Look at the growing population of this state. City rats that only vote to get more free shit. The left will control this state for a long time.

I consider myself a realist, leaning to the optimistic side of things (mostof the time). Youre right, but being hopeful with our 2a rights is something I think we can all be hopeful about. I believe the left is going to resist hard against court rulings and that will force more people to choose a side. If we get court rulings that deem aw bans, mag capacity bans, etc as unconstitutional then it will close many doors on the leftist agenda of disarming us. The more court rulings in our favor the more desperate and aggressive/careless the left will get.

Truebeliever · Jul 19, 2022

Zerex said:
I am so happy I could cry. At age 74, I have lived long enough at age 74, to see justice begin to be served.
Many, many of my late friends, must be happy, where ever they are.

The 2nd Circuit Ct has yet to release the SCOTUS rules, that NYS has to follow.................so, these lawsuits may be moot after that happens, or the 2nd says FU to SCOTUS yet again.

NYS will say FU again and again, in any case, as Communists cannot institutie the taking of your gas and wood stoves, and guns, to establish social justice reparations, that we are responsible for preventing, because of the 2nd amendments intentions--- of creating fear, in any and all, deep state creatures..

I suspect that the lawsuits will have be refiled again and again, in the game of legal chess, that the degenerate bitch and Amy Schumers uncle ,are going to try to play, using ignorant aunt Jemima.

If they get an injunction, the district court judge can block all of it and make the guidelines NYS had to follow . The 2nd circuit will rule on that judge’s ruling later.

Truebeliever · Jul 19, 2022

CaliberPlus said:
I hope NYSRPA is taking on the "law" (A10503) which requires a license for a semi rifle and the "law" (S4970A) which has huge overreach on any person walking into a gun store. I have mostly heard about the justified outrage against the handgun permit business.

The semi auto rifle license probably will be upheld.
Most of new handgun laws won’t . The body armor law won’t survive the court challenge either.

Truebeliever · Jul 19, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
You think the body armor challange will fail Bruen but the semi auto rifle license won't hahahahhahahhahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaahhahahahhahahahahahahahhahaha

Based on the concurrent opinion of Bruen, yes, it will survive if it’s at a shall issue standard.
The body armor challenge is less of a Bruen case but more of a case of Caetano v. Massachusetts.

Truebeliever · Jul 19, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
Lmfao tell me you don't know what bruen says without telling me you don't know what bruen says

Hahahahhahahahahahahhaahhahaa

Go read the concurrent opinions. Ha, ha, ha( not really funny at all) . It will have the same weight if not more in what the lower courts are going to do. The shall issue system will survive any court challenge as a result.

Truebeliever · Jul 19, 2022

Edwardteach72 said:
Yea go read all the opinion, not just cherry pick small parts hear and there. Otherwise stfu

Hahahhahahahahhahaa sHalL issue SyStEm WiLl sUrViVe AnY cOuRt

Again tell me you don't know fucking shit about the bruen decision without saying you don't know fucking shit about the bruen decision

Edward, I do know what I am talking about. I wish I was wrong. A real “ shall issue “ system will survive

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