9mm vs .45 ACP
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This entire conversation of which caliber is better than the next...
I am curious if everybody is really willing to actually pull the trigger. I do not mean this in a negative or derogatory manner, there are so many that say I could pull the trigger easily, until you actually pull the trigger you don't know that you can.
Shooting a paper Target is much easier and much different than shooting a person.
Just saying...
I am curious if everybody is really willing to actually pull the trigger. I do not mean this in a negative or derogatory manner, there are so many that say I could pull the trigger easily, until you actually pull the trigger you don't know that you can.
Shooting a paper Target is much easier and much different than shooting a person.
Just saying...
Really hoping a large majority of these folks never have to find out.
Uninformed and Compliant
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I'll just say what we are all thinking..
.45gap
.45gap
the nice thing about a government model 1911 is you can beat someone to death with it if needed. Unlike a Tupperware gun where hitting someone with it would be considered foreplay.
Uninformed and Compliant
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To be fair,
There has been absolutely NO ammo shortage of that during the pandemic, rofl
BMF JK
.44 mag
I’m willing to do what ever necessary to protect myself and the ones I love . I’m confident at the time of such an event I’d do what’s needed to be done . The after is what I’m unsure of and I hope I’ll never find out .
BMF JK
.44 mag
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I dunno I sure liked what that 10 mm did to that ballistic gelatin.
Interesting topic for another discussion. If I was ever in the situation where I needed to shoot someone, I'm extremely confident I wouldn't have a problem doing so. The problem is, in that situation, somebody else is likely going to be armed, possibly even already drawing in me. As law abiding citizens, we have rules to follow, and need to think about our consequences after the fact before making rash decisions. That delay could very possibly end in my death against somebody else who just doesn't give a shit.
That_FNG
.308 Win
The age and design of the gun doesn’t matter near so far as much as choosing the most reliable gun you can shoot accurately the fastest. If that gun happens to be a 1911 then so be it. I have both a G48 and G43 for carry use and I find myself carrying the G43 more as I can shoot it accurately faster than the G48. I simply carry an extra magazine to off set the lower round count it holds.
My choice in carry also depends on what threat I feel most likely I will be facing. If I feel I will be facing 1-2 perps than I go with the G43 with 1-2 spare mags, If I feel it could be a crowd of people then I go with my G48 / G19 with 2-3 spare magazines. If I’m hiking in the woods than it’s my Ruger GP100 in 357mag etc.
If the gun I could shoot accurate fastest was a high point, than I would carry a high point. Too many people let emotion and sentiment decide what they carry vs sticking to logic. Every time I go to the range I bring 1 of my main carry guns and I practice with it. I am trying to get to the point I am practicing every week.
for the people who say carry a 40 or 45 as it’s a man’s caliber, why aren’t you carry a desert eagle in 50AE? That’s a bigger manlier caliber than 40 or 45.
RedBreast21
.223 Rem
I know topics like this are fun to read, watch and discuss but I learned from a brutal fighting force that anything worth shooting once is worth shooting several times. Bring their blood pressure to zero fast. Now, ethical hunting practices is a different story. lol
I absolutely agree you should choose the gun that you can shoot the most accurately, fastest, most proficiently. The point I was making is the inherent nature of .45acp compared to 9mm. Modern advancements is ballistics have drastically closed the gap between the two. The .45acp has more recoil then 9mm, is more weight to carry, takes longer to get back on target, has less capacity…these are all negatives and reasons to choose a different round like 9mm over it. Sure someone can shoot .45acp very well. They can be quick and accurate with it, but they would be even faster with 9mm. There’s almost no way scientifically that they wouldn’t be.
I don’t choose what gun I carry based on what threat I think I might run into because I can’t tell the future and don’t know what situation I might find myself in. I usually tend to carry the biggest gun with the most capacity that I can pull off at the time, which is usually my comp’d Glock 19 with a spare mag Though I carry my Glock 34 with a spare mag on occasion as well.
As for going hunting that’s a little bit of a different situation where I can see changing it out for something of a larger caliber when God forbid you run into a pissed off bear lol.
I also think the whole “45acp is a man’s caliber” argument is stupid and it’s a ridiculous statement. It usually comes from people who don’t care to learn anything new and are stuck in their old ways.
I’ll leave it with some wise words by my man Chuck Pressburg…”All gunfights are open division. All participants shoot what they brought. If you wanted to fight on hard mode carry a wheel gun and a spoon. Otherwise find every reasonable advantage and use it to win.”
Xae289
.223 Rem
Why carry a .40?
Because it has almost all the knock down of a .45 WorldWarChamp while being chambered in guns designed this century. Plus it has all the capacity of a 9mm without being some metric, French girly-gun.
As for why not the .50 AE? Because I'm not a drug-dealer or Russian. Red blooded American men carry a .44 Magnum or .45 Colt when there's real work that needs doin'.
Oh boy... Ummmmm just no!
The 9mm average ft.lb of energy does NOT match the .357Sig., oh, unless you exceed Saami Spec and go +P+... If I used .357Sig at it's max Sammi Spec (1500fps 125gr) the 9mm does not perform as well.
9mm avg is in the 300's
.357 avg is in the 500's
The 9mm does not have the same ballistic trajectory as the .357Sig. but I'm not using or expecting my Sig to be a long range handgun, lol. That said, I'm not sure where your assessment is obtained from.
As for "terminal" performance, of we all wanted the statistical best that would have us all carrying .22lr, lmao
And as the discussion has already ventured into it... I did say "Tac Driver"... My Sig is!
And even though the SS and Seals, etc. that once used the .357Sig have moved to 9mm also, I shoot the round the best of all my handguns, so it is no t, and never was, or will ever be about... what my rounds "cost"... I know my .357Sig isn't going to bounce off a windshield or deflect much from it. Lmao! And my POI will most certainly be my POA!
I know I've posted this before, but it never gets old... Hahaha... See the attached picture! Now tell me, when I draw my 229 and take my first shot at the range, and this is the result... Is there really any reason to think about ballistic or terminal velocity or blah blah blah!?
No... Of course not. What are we talking about then because it's all noise! This is what I need, this is what I want, and this is what I got!
.357 Sig Underwood Load
125gr. 1475fps 600flb(+/-)
Pic zoomed for clarity, was 11+ yards iirc
The argument is an old one, but the semiauto designed replacement for the favored .357 Magnum was a success (in design). Taking away the one thing that the wheel guns had, massive recoil, lol. I'm glad to report the 229 is the sweetest thing I've ever shot.
That's all I need!
Sorry to divert from the thread. These discussions have taken place long ago... And yeah, I should get a conversion barrel & slide to .40 if I wanted to save a few bucks. But ultimately I'm not concerned about the $...
Why so serious all of a sudden? The 9 V 45 discussion is as old as the calibers themselves.
no one is getting their man card revoked because of what they carry, maybe because one cannot see a “fun, ribbing thread” for what it is, but not for carrying a minor caliber.
Anyway the .50 AE and .500 S&W Magnums are fu-fu boutique rounds no self respecting man would carry on his hip and to be quite honest, not impressive when you consider the 45-70 BFR is around.
Since we are speaking about things that change the hearts and minds of people in 3rd world countries. The .45 ACP was created by the almighty himself and presented to us by the great Saint John M. Browning. Where as the 9mm comes from the Devil himself, who used the dopey Adolf Hitler to try and take over the world with it. So there you have it.
Finally I will leave you with this tidbit of information the 9mm may expand to .62 inches if you are lucky. However the .45 will never shrink to 9mm.
Have a great day folks.
no one is getting their man card revoked because of what they carry, maybe because one cannot see a “fun, ribbing thread” for what it is, but not for carrying a minor caliber.
Anyway the .50 AE and .500 S&W Magnums are fu-fu boutique rounds no self respecting man would carry on his hip and to be quite honest, not impressive when you consider the 45-70 BFR is around.
Since we are speaking about things that change the hearts and minds of people in 3rd world countries. The .45 ACP was created by the almighty himself and presented to us by the great Saint John M. Browning. Where as the 9mm comes from the Devil himself, who used the dopey Adolf Hitler to try and take over the world with it. So there you have it.
Finally I will leave you with this tidbit of information the 9mm may expand to .62 inches if you are lucky. However the .45 will never shrink to 9mm.
Have a great day folks.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
You beat me to it. I’ll second this.
I have been looking at the Staccato for about a year. Just haven’t been able to pull the trigger on one yet. Not sure if it is the fact I don’t need to buy another gun which will cause me to buy ten new magazines specifically for it or the fact I can make one which will be the same or superior to it. I think, I will get one eventually most likely the XL 5” version. I already have an 18 round concealed carry gun for special occasions.
BMF JK
.44 mag
My statement was directed to your statement, 9 mm need not apply. Which not only does it apply it’s very competitive with the .357 sig ballistically speaking.
You obviously love the round and that’s great carry on ! To infer that it’s far superior to 9mm just isn’t true , I’d say they are comparable according to data .
I’m not gonna go on and on comparing the 2 rounds it’s not what this thread is about .
I’ll leave you with this article and video that backs up my statement, there are many articles that say the same .
.357 Sig: What's the Point of this Cartridge?
A look at the 357 Sig cartridge the role it fills in the shooting world and why it might still be an option for your self-defense needs.
www.luckygunner.com
As I said earlier in this thread I don’t care what others carry . If it’s the perfect round for you great and you shoot it well fantastic.
side note : it would be some real fun to do some friendly not so scientific comparison testing and shoot some shit ! Let’s see if 9mm will bounce off auto glass . Lol
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To be fair, if we are going off of the great Saint John Browning, he went on later designing and almost finished creating another firearm after the 1911 but died before completing. The Hi-Power…which was always intended to be chambered in 9mm. If Browning believed that .45acp to be superior, he would have designed it that way. Are you saying that the all-powerful Saint Browning is wrong?!?! *Gaspppp*
Not at all he was a saint for all the people, a man who went before his time. He wanted the best for all people, even for those with tiny hands.
on a serious note the Great J.M. Browning was a brilliant man and impacted the world with his guns. My brother has begun to collect the handguns J. M. produced on his way to the 1911, it is a very interesting look at how the history of the development of the 1911 came about when you have them sitting in front of you.
the one gun which has always intrigued me and has eluded my collection so far is the Browning A5 shotgun. I am not a big shotgun guy but the lines of the A5 has always drawn me to wanting one. Some day maybe.
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Xae289
.223 Rem
JMB (peace be upon him) decided to grace our European allies with a slightly inferior copy of the perfect handgun. The attempt killed him and the work had to be completed by a Belgian more suited to the task of designing a gun for women and children.
Uninformed and Compliant
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Unfair. At that distance, the 1911 would have to be aiming at the treeline.
Well at least in the general vicinity of the tree line. Knowing the shockwave coming off the round produces a nuclear explosion type blast wave the poor sucker with the Tupperware gun doesn’t stand a chance.
then of course we would have to report the incident to homeland security as it would undoubtedly register on their monitoring system and it would turn into a shitshow.
I recommend we keep this friendly and go for darts and pints at the local pub instead.
Uninformed and Compliant
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You know it'd devolve into
vs
The 9mm guys would say they get to throw 50 darts that don't stick,
and the 1911 guys would break the damned machine, lol.
