A New Yorkers Guide to Gun owner survival and "bugging out" True to life version 1.0

[Nevar]

mandatory liability insurance. This one can be real dangerous. Other than the cost. Think ! You got to get it. First think your insurance agent wants to know is " make, model and SER# of EVERY firearm. Instant gun registration

 

[redtail]

mandatory liability insurance. This one can be real dangerous. Other than the cost. Think ! You got to get it. First think your insurance agent wants to know is " make, model and SER# of EVERY firearm. Instant gun registration

Cannot pass muster. Poll tax.

Eta- Then again this is a banana republic now. May as well wipe your ass with the BOR.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Cannot pass muster.

Nor can the safe act, but we still have it.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Seems like you are in "when, not if" mode, @ArmedCorgi. I note the thematic chronological run of your thought process, which I appreciate- you're clearly thinking the right way (even if it sucks that we have to) in terms of "I'm staying long term" to "I need to GTFOD tonight."

I'm on the fence about out-of-stating some of my semi's in the very near future, even if they are "compliant" for now.

I suppose it depends on what you have, how much you are financially and psychologically invested in them, and how hard they would be to replace (if you could, depending on how fast this metastasizes). I wouldn't bank on being able to buy anything back in a "free state" at or below the price point you originally paid or sold at.

Sidebar, *no one* here should be surprised if the Dem House passes some kind of sweeping national legislation, in the dead of winter, the Senate GOP plays go-along-to-get-along, and Trump signs it because he doesn't give a rat's ass about 2A.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Seems like you are in "when, not if" mode, @ArmedCorgi.

The levees have broken @BDinPutnam it's now a matter of how far the flooding goes.

 

[FLA45fan]

Absolutely none, and no offense taken. I have heard, through a little birdie, that many of the LEO exemptions are on the table to be lessened or taken away. For what it is worth, the SAFE Act was passed prior to me getting hired with my current job. I had what I wanted prior to this job, I never decreased my inventory.

Down here in FL LEO used to be able to "buy and fly" on their department ID. Last year after the Parkland shooting the governor passed new laws that increase the purchase age to 21 on rifles, and without a CWP their is a three day wait on all purchases. Had a LEO buying a SIG last night and had to tell him. He thought I was outta my mind.

 

[FLA45fan]

I don't mean to imply I am in panic mode yet. I'm not at all, but I am worried and want to draft out the different ways I would deal with new laws. We all learned a lesson with the passing of the safe act. We mostly thought it would never pass and it did, then we thought it would be struck down and it wasn't. I know there is usually a grace period before new laws go into effect, but depending on what gets passed that may be enough time to adapt or it may not. Even if Albany only manages one new regulation a year, each year it will become harder and harder to navigate the laws and harder and harder to be a gun owner in this state.

I guess maybe a better way to put this is, my goal is to get out of New York. Once my GF and I find where we want to go, we can start selling stuff off and cleaning house to lose everything we don't need to take with us. As far as guns go in the time between when we find where we want to go and when we get there (because it may take years after finding our spot), how do I manage the guns?
Obviously without knowing what will be passed it's hard to speculate but we can generate some options and opinions of what one might do (contingencies).

1. Keep everything I have and do what I can to comply, if there are ways to comply. - this could get expensive.
2. Send stuff out of state to either friends or family. - means I may have to go out of my way to pick them up when its time and that they may need to be retransfered to me (more nics).
3. I rent storage out of state and store them. - may have to go out of my way to pick them up. may have corrosion issues. could get expensive.
4. Sell what I can or feel isn't essential or what cannot be made to comply to either fund a replacement gun or to help fund moving out of NY.
5. Sell what I feel will most likely be affected by what's coming down the pipe to avoid having to deal with compliance and lighten my load with moving.
6. Just sell everything to help fund my move and start over when I get to where I'm going.

Look at this like a bug out scenario. You have to go, what do you do?

I did numbers 2 and 4.

 

[prambo]

Does a bear shit in the woods?

The Pope does.

 

[Vapor]

My concern is that soon, there will be no where to move.

I live along the pa border but that is not ideal.

We do have family in Indiana...

 

[Jmac00]

Friends...I think it's no secret that there is most probably a literal shit storm of gun control and draconian regulations coming our way very soon and in perpetuity here in NYS. While I pride myself for not melting down over this fact, I'm not just going to stick my head in the sand and ignore the writing on the wall.
I should state before I pose the general questions at issue here, that I hate to, and as a general rule, DO NOT sell or trade a gun unless that sale or trade is towards another gun more suited to my POU (to borrow a term). That said, in light of what may or may not be coming our way, what is the best course of action for gun ownership survival here in this state? My GF and I want out, but we have yet to decide where that is and we don't want to just recklessly leave with no plan. Plus, we still need to accumulate the funds necessary to achieve that goal. Granted, without knowing exactly what is going to happen, it's hard to adequately prepare. However, assuming the worst or close to it, I feel there must be a solution that offers piece of mind in the sense of not having to worry about being thrown in jail or having other potential legal problems.
The situation:
Everything I currently own is, as of now, NY compliant.
I have semi-auto rifles, shotguns and pistols.
I have bolt, pump and lever action guns as well.
Revolvers too.
Do I send the guns I own that are most likely to be targeted by new legislation, out of state for safe keeping until I can move out?

Do I sell them now and fund a different platform less likely to be regulated?

Do I whittle down my inventory to lessen the burden for moving? - This question is the more important one in my opinion. Someone close to me once told me to imagine if I had to carry everything I owned on my back. How hard would it be for me?...So would a smart move be to eliminate the non essential guns to lighten the load, with the idea of re-acquiring them after I get to where I want to go?

Do I transfer my handguns to a friend or relative out of state and surrender my NYS permit so as to avoid all the eggshell walking and potential vulnerabilities with having a permit?

I am bringing these things up as a means of starting the discussion for people who want to bug out of NY, but don't necessarily have the means to do it at the drop of a hat.

Please post your thoughts and ideas for strategies.

I understand exactly what you're going through. I have already moved firearms out of New Yorkistan. specifically, those that the Emperor has decided are scary. They are in a "free state" that does not require any kind of registration or permits. Im keeping some around that the state already knows about. If Senate Bill 9191 goes through Im not to worried about it, that shit will only affect me when I go to renew in 2023, but if things go as planned, I will be out of This shithole state and it will be a non-issue. Once out of here, I can go just about anywhere and buy whatever I want or need. However, if 9191 does get into law, Im going to delete my FB account in 2020 and be very nice using my Google for a year, that way it won't affect me in any way

Just don't do anything until it looks like the Masters are going to make a move, they move, we counter move....fuck'em

 

[ArmedCorgi]

So in light of all the impending legislation being brought to our attention, most of which will probably pass, I am resurrecting this thread to restart the conversation about our options as gun owners in NY. Make no mistake, we have become a persecuted group in this state and so we need to stick together and help each other as best we can. This is for real folks, I'm sad to say.
I know at this point all these bills @islandneartahiti is keeping us informed of aren't yet law and a lot can happen inbetween, but I have no faith these won't become law. So what do we do? How do we help each other?

 

[BDinPutnam]

I *already* sent my AR 9 to Michigan.

Although in fairness I kind of traded it to my father in law for a pile of handguns.

I have already gotten "no" and "no" from the wife on transferring to my Houston, or Orlando, office. We have an office in Atlanta, but already have someone there.

Here I stay. Here I stand.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I have already gotten "no" and "no" from the wife on transferring to my Houston, or Orlando, office. We have an office in Atlanta, but already have someone there.

Here I stay. Here I stand.

I am sorry to hear you are in that situation. I fear I may be in a similar one, though I am not married to her. This could get very hard to deal with indeed.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

We are being marked, make no mistake.

 

[Karpteach]

My concern right now is mandatory liability insurance. I think the costs of that are going to be punitive. Again, we'll have to wait and see.

A million dollar umbrella policy should do it. I think that this policy can get defeated in court. Cumhole has limited access to proper insurance companies that will insure against such things.

 

[MoMan]

We have allowed them to capture the educational sphere, particularly in the cites, and that was our primary failing

^^ @ProgSpear is spot on here!! This is no doubt where we allowed them to begin controlling the Country. They are now in full "indoctrination" mode with all future generations!! It is a known fact, that if you can capture their mind, you will capture their soul!!

Cannot pass muster.

Yea, that's what we thought about the SAFEact. How'd that work out??

I have already gotten "no" and "no" from the wife

I was fortunate, my Wife was just as eager to GTFOONYS as I was.

Once we committed, we set our exit date for 18 months out, and made it happen. Granted, I was getting ready for retirement, and set my retirement date for 1 month prior to our actual exit date. We actually ended up GTFO 3 weeks after my last day of work. Knowing what I know now, I would have done it years ago. I was in the HVAC business, and there are plenty of jobs out there for us.

I would suggest that anyone who thinks they are stuck in NYS because of how much money their making, there are websites out there that will give you a comparative wage between any 2 zip codes. You will really be amazed at how much less it costs to live outside of states like NY.

As to the original questions about what to do with firearms in the meantime:
1. I did sell off some of my long guns to Friends.
2. I kept the rest, along with all handguns.
3. I just packed up the remaining firearms and brought them down with me. There is no permit to own a handgun required down here. No firearm registration at all.

The joy of knowing that prick, cumho, doesn't get his hooks into our retirement income, and investment income, is indescribable
It is doable, once you set your mind to it.

 

[Mk44]

You pose a question that only you can answer. Just like anything... if you're planning on moving it helps to selling some of your stuff (guns or furniture) as it will lessen the burden of packing- moving it.
But for some, selling their guns is not an option because they are attached to them, they built up a significant collection, or they say hell no. what ever the reason, there's no right or wrong answer. Ask yourself if you're attached to any of the guns (vintage, collectibles, inherited pieces)? Can it be easily replaced? Are you going to have seller's remorse?

As others have stated, I would wait & see what happens. If it does happen, there will be a time period to get rid of "what ever" it is.

(imo.. if I owned a "NY compliant" rifle and I had the intentions of moving out of State, I would not want to take it with me when I can own a semi-auto w/ all the features when I leave.)