Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - The gift that keeps on giving

[Jean5Green]

W

You guys should DM each other. You’re straying too far from the topic!!!
She’s hot! Ok, we’re back on track.

General we all agree that she's hot. But I'm very close to turning JMac into an AOC Stan.

 

[spat]

I feel like everyone dunking on her for being a blue collar worker was also in love with the idea of Joe the Plumber because he was a blue collar worker. Same folks convinced themselves Trump was for the common man while he actually was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, sh*ts in literally golden toilets and has made a career out of not paying contractors (the actual common man).

This thread is full of memes because her actual policy positions are beyond discussion.

Her understanding of geopolitics and economics is on par with an elementary school kid.

She literally thought you could spend the Amazon tax break money elsewhere if she kept them out of NY.

She doesn't seem to understand that the laws of Macro economics are virtually the opposite to those of microeconomics. Her economics degree is proof that the once proud institution that issued it has fallen to the level of a diploma mill.

So, what policy proposal of hers do you think *isn’t* ridiculous ?

 

[Jmac00]

W

General we all agree that she's hot. But I'm very close to turning JMac into an AOC Stan.

you're on the same drugs as AOC, and just as stupid

 

[Jmac00]

This thread is full of memes because her actual policy positions are beyond discussion.

Her understanding of geopolitics and economics is on par with an elementary school kid.

She literally thought you could spend the Amazon tax break money elsewhere if she kept them out of NY.

She doesn't seem to understand that the laws of Macro economics are virtually the opposite to those of microeconomics. Her economics degree is proof that the once proud institution that issued it has fallen to the level of a diploma mill.

So, what policy proposal of hers do you think *isn’t* ridiculous ?

well said,

I AM DONE WITH THIS BULLSHIT, WITH THIS SHITHEAD....good by

 

[spat]

He set me up for that. I had to.

Let's not play dumb and pretend like we don't know how taxes and government spending work. Most people who are against Medicare for all have multiple people in their family whose lives would be devistated if they didn't have Medicaid or Medicare but most people are too ignorant or embarrassed to talk about it. Medicaid and Medicare are what keep us from being a third world country.

The reason we don't want government controlling the purse strings of healthcare can be summed up best in the proposals by many on the left to exclude the unvaccinated from hospitals.

Once government is paying for it, then suddenly every decision you make that affects your health becomes a matter of public concern.

If they can make that call for vaccinations, then why not smoking ? Or eating red meat ?

Oh, and how much better off would the medicare crowd be if they'd been allowed to keep all the money they paid for it over the years ?

There is no such thing as "free healthcare" anywhere. Just "taypayer funded healthcare". Since I pay a lot of taxes, and half the country doesn't, that means I'm already paying for their healthcare as well as my own.

 

[Jean5Green]

This thread is full of memes because her actual policy positions are beyond discussion.

Her understanding of geopolitics and economics is on par with an elementary school kid.

She literally thought you could spend the Amazon tax break money elsewhere if she kept them out of NY.

She doesn't seem to understand that the laws of Macro economics are virtually the opposite to those of microeconomics. Her economics degree is proof that the once proud institution that issued it has fallen to the level of a diploma mill.

So, what policy proposal of hers do you think *isn’t* ridiculous ?

Regarding the Amazon tax break since you mentioned that specifically - they were going to be given almost $2 billion in refundable tax credits. Non-refundable tax credits reduce your tax (what you are referring to). Refundable tax credits are actually a check that the state sends Amazon if they owe no tax (which they never do because they offshore profits and have the best accountants in the world). AOC was right.

 

[Jean5Green]

The reason we don't want government controlling the purse strings of healthcare can be summed up best in the proposals by many on the left to exclude the unvaccinated from hospitals.

Once government is paying for it, then suddenly every decision you make that affects your health becomes a matter of public concern.

If they can make that call for vaccinations, then why not smoking ? Or eating red meat ?

Oh, and how much better off would the medicare crowd be if they'd been allowed to keep all the money they paid for it over the years ?

There is no such thing as "free healthcare" anywhere. Just "taypayer funded healthcare". Since I pay a lot of taxes, and half the country doesn't, that means I'm already paying for their healthcare as well as my own.

Medicare already exists, covering millions of the elderly who wouldn't be able to afford healthcare otherwise since nobody has a decent pension anymore and you don't lose coverage for eating red meat, smoking or choosing to be unvaccinated.

"And how much better would the Medicare crowd be if they were allowed to keep all the money they paid over those years?" The vast majority of those of us who pay into Medicare end up on Medicare at least partially in retirement. Very few Americans retire with paid health benefits as part of their pensions. Police and military basically are the only ones left that get that. And that's a strange argument anyway. Your federal taxes you pay go to building bridges in states you'll never step foot in. But you don't say that's socialism. But if you pay for Medicare and don't end up getting a benefit from that then it somehow becomes a problem. There is no expectation that you'll get the full benefit of the taxes you pay. That's just how the world works.

 

[Jean5Green]

well said,

I AM DONE WITH THIS BULLSHIT, WITH THIS SHITHEAD....good by

I feel like we were making progress buddy.

 

[dsdmmat]

I feel like we were making progress buddy.

Personal attacks and Trolling are against the rules here. Please keep it on topic.

 

[Jean5Green]

Personal attacks and Trolling are against the rules here. Please keep it on topic.

I'm not trolling if you check out my responses. I'm having an honest discussion about AOC who this thread is about. I have been called a shithead and stupid, told I was on drugs, told I have the same understanding of economics as a potato, and told that my "gray matter was dismissed." But I knew that people would get pissed off if someone had a difference of opinion that's just how people are now.

 

[dsdmmat]

I'm not trolling if you check out my responses. I'm having an honest discussion about AOC who this thread is about. I have been called a shithead and stupid, told I was on drugs, told I have the same understanding of economics as a potato, and told that my "gray matter was dismissed." But I knew that people would get pissed off if someone had a difference of opinion that's just how people are now.

That is why I also said personal attacks are against the rules.

 

[spat]

Medicare already exists, covering millions of the elderly who wouldn't be able to afford healthcare otherwise since nobody has a decent pension anymore and you don't lose coverage for eating red meat, smoking or choosing to be unvaccinated.

"And how much better would the Medicare crowd be if they were allowed to keep all the money they paid over those years?" The vast majority of those of us who pay into Medicare end up on Medicare at least partially in retirement. Very few Americans retire with paid health benefits as part of their pensions. Police and military basically are the only ones left that get that. And that's a strange argument anyway. Your federal taxes you pay go to building bridges in states you'll never step foot in. But you don't say that's socialism. But if you pay for Medicare and don't end up getting a benefit from that then it somehow becomes a problem. There is no expectation that you'll get the full benefit of the taxes you pay. That's just how the world works.

They literally discussed blocking unvaccinated from health care, and that was *with* the unvaccinated paying for their own care. It's not much of a stretch from there to smoking or anything else, especially if "the public" can claim it's their money paying for it.

Bridges *are* socialism. There has never been a pure capitalist society anywhere.

The choice isn't "socialism, yes or no". The choice is "more socialism or less socialism". The best answer to that is almost always "less".

If you want a good metric for how socialist a country is, what % of it's GDP is it's government budget.

It ignores the "soft socialism" of the regulatory state, but it's a start.

 

[Jean5Green]

They literally discussed blocking unvaccinated from health care, and that was *with* the unvaccinated paying for their own care. It's not much of a stretch from there to smoking or anything else, especially if "the public" can claim it's their money paying for it.

The only hospitals that did this weren't government run, they were private. A privately owned hospital denied that guy a heart transplant.

 

[Steal2B]

 

[dwa12479]

When you have an economics degree from Boston and you're working as a bartender at 29 years old, chances are you don't quite understand the concepts of your studies.

 

[Jean5Green]

When you have an economics degree from Boston and you're working as a bartender at 29 years old, chances are you don't quite understand the concepts of your studies.

Her father died while she was in college. When she graduated she took on jobs to help her mom, who cleaned houses for a living, pay the bills. She then became the youngest congresswoman in this country's history.

When you're well off you graduate with no debt (because mommy and daddy paid for it) and you have the luxury of taking a non-paid internship at a company or think tank. Not everyone has that luxury. Hers is a remarkable story.

 

[dwa12479]

Her father died while she was in college. When she graduated she took on jobs to help her mom, who cleaned houses for a living, pay the bills. She then became the youngest congresswoman in this country's history.

Thats nice of her. Many years after graduating she still wasn't putting that degree to use, probably would have been far more lucrative than bartending to help her mom. And when you listen to her speak, its pretty obvious she's a clueless twit.

 

[Jean5Green]

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Now do a picture of Ted Cruz

 

[Jean5Green]

Thats nice of her. Many years after graduating she still wasn't putting that degree to use, probably would have been far more lucrative than bartending to help her mom. And when you listen to her speak, its pretty obvious she's a clueless twit.

Yeah it's crazy how the youngest woman to be elected to our Congress in the country's history wasted so much time to become a professional member of society. The old hag.

 

[Steal2B]

 

[Jcp123]

I struggle to come up with anything which isn’t a bit sexist other than that I rarely hear anything from her pontifications which makes any sense to me. I’d rather her be a guy so I don’t have to be afraid of being cancelled!

 

[Jean5Green]

I struggle to come up with anything which isn’t a bit sexist other than that I rarely hear anything from her pontifications which makes any sense to me. I’d rather her be a guy so I don’t have to be afraid of being cancelled!

You're not going to get cancelled on a gun forum for saying AOC sounds dumb.

 

[dwa12479]

Yeah it's crazy how the youngest woman to be elected to our Congress in the country's history wasted so much time to become a professional member of society. The old hag.

A good campaign manager and an adoring media can get a ham sandwich elected to Congress. What has she accomplished thus far during her time in DC? Honest question.

 

[Tisto]

You're welcome to admire and adore her all you want. The rest of us see and acknowledge her refrigerator temperature IQ and complete lack of understanding about how the world really works.

When someone that allegedly has an economics degree states that the government can just print money to pay for whatever bullshit welfare program she's pushing, that shows that the bartender job was much more appropriate than member of congress.

 

[Jean5Green]

A good campaign manager and an adoring media can get a ham sandwich elected to Congress. What has she accomplished thus far during her time in DC? Honest question.

Unfortunately I personally don't think any member of Congress from either party has accomplished anything substantial in the past few years AOC included. She has had a positive effect pushing her own party to the left such as with gaining support to ban members from trading stocks and getting Chuck Schumer of all people to start campaigning on cancelling student debt. For the most part she hasn't done much and I hope she pushes her agenda farther I'm the years to come.

 

[dwa12479]

Unfortunately I personally don't think any member of Congress from either party has accomplished anything substantial in the past few years AOC included. She has had a positive effect pushing her own party to the left such as with gaining support to ban members from trading stocks and getting Chuck Schumer of all people to start campaigning on cancelling student debt. For the most part she hasn't done much and I hope she pushes her agenda farther I'm the years to come.

And thsts why many of us here dislike her so much. I strongly disagree with leftist idealism. I listen to her speak and disagree with almost everything she has to say, and much of it is just downright nonsense, like the idea that we can spend $93 Trillion on her Green New Deal, and we just pay for it like a Starbucks latte.

 

[Jean5Green]

And thsts why many of us here dislike her so much. I strongly disagree with leftist idealism. I listen to her speak and disagree with almost everything she has to say, and much of it is just downright nonsense, like the idea that we can spend $93 Trillion on her Green New Deal, and we just pay for it like a Starbucks latte.

Fair enough. There are definitely two schools of thought on whether or not the federal deficit actually matters and it's effect on inflation.

 

[Jcp123]

You're not going to get cancelled on a gun forum for saying AOC sounds dumb.

Well, I was being a bit facetious and satirical, but on the other hand a lot of what I want to say wouldn’t apply if she weren’t a...she.

 

[spat]

The only hospitals that did this weren't government run, they were private. A privately owned hospital denied that guy a heart transplant.

There was lots of discussion about it.

There were talking heads calling for the unvaccinated to be completely cut off from all medical care.

Also, if it was just one hospital, then surely the family would have just gone to another right ?

 

[spat]

Fair enough. There are definitely two schools of thought on whether or not the federal deficit actually matters and it's effect on inflation.

Yes, one that understands the laws of economics, and one that doesn't.