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Ammo background check law
- Thread starter That_FNG
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Ummmm, just go back and read the thread. It apparently “triggered “ you somehow? I mean holy shit. I said “yet “ , like insinuating NY does stupid shit all the time, are you going to really dispute that? But yeah , it’s a dumb comment because you said so. Okay
tRiGgErEd
Nahhh , not butt hurt. Don’t really care about what the resident gun snob on here thinks. Was just bringing up what could come down the line here as residents of the great state of N.Y. But you had to make your snide remark like it wasn’t possible. LMFAO, nobody said anything about it sticking. Do you forget where you live?
Yup come down the line for like 4.3 seconds and get smashed in court yawn.
Doomers bore me lmfao
Doomers bore me lmfao
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
we could even charter a bus for a ammo run .. LOL .
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i type into google "ammo background" and click images .. all i get is PC wallpaper of ammo LOL ..
subsonic
.44 mag
There’s some misinfo here. The 100 mile border zone is not the same as the border or ports of entry.
At a port of entry you have few constitutional rights, in that CBP may search all of your stuff and interrogate you without any cause whatsoever. They can also seize items on very flimsy pretenses (such as to investigate electronics further). Ultimately if you are a US citizen they normally have to let you in if there is no cause to charge you with something, though you have to produce a passport or other docs to prove citizenship (and now with few exceptions a passport is required). And it is illegal to cross the border other than at a port of entry, so you are subject to arrest for doing so.
The 100 mile border zone including checkpoints are not the same as the border or ports of entry. CBP has wide latitude to “operate” in this zone. They cannot arbitrarily search, detain or interrogate you in this zone. They can patrol but only pull you over on reasonable suspicion. They cannot normally search closed containers or locked compartments without consent or a warrant. They can establish enforcement checkpoints where everyone is stopped in this zone, but unless they spot something that is reasonably suspicious of a crime going on they are limited to asking if you are citizens, and if you say “yes” they would then have to let you go on your way if nothing else was suspicious. If not a citizen then they can ask for papers (since noncitizens are supposed to carry them by law). There are legal consequences associated with lying about citizenship to CBP officers.
Essentially, the 100 mile zone is just a jurisdiction where CBP can operate like other law enforcement. They need the same basis of reasonable suspicion of a violation to detain, single you out or search you that state or local police do. They can establish immigration checkpoints similar to how police can establish DUI checkpoints, to screen travelers for immigration status as do cops for sobriety status, and potentially fish for other obvious signs of criminality. Checkpoints are obnoxious but they have been upheld for their limited enforcement purposes.
At a port of entry you have few constitutional rights, in that CBP may search all of your stuff and interrogate you without any cause whatsoever. They can also seize items on very flimsy pretenses (such as to investigate electronics further). Ultimately if you are a US citizen they normally have to let you in if there is no cause to charge you with something, though you have to produce a passport or other docs to prove citizenship (and now with few exceptions a passport is required). And it is illegal to cross the border other than at a port of entry, so you are subject to arrest for doing so.
The 100 mile border zone including checkpoints are not the same as the border or ports of entry. CBP has wide latitude to “operate” in this zone. They cannot arbitrarily search, detain or interrogate you in this zone. They can patrol but only pull you over on reasonable suspicion. They cannot normally search closed containers or locked compartments without consent or a warrant. They can establish enforcement checkpoints where everyone is stopped in this zone, but unless they spot something that is reasonably suspicious of a crime going on they are limited to asking if you are citizens, and if you say “yes” they would then have to let you go on your way if nothing else was suspicious. If not a citizen then they can ask for papers (since noncitizens are supposed to carry them by law). There are legal consequences associated with lying about citizenship to CBP officers.
Essentially, the 100 mile zone is just a jurisdiction where CBP can operate like other law enforcement. They need the same basis of reasonable suspicion of a violation to detain, single you out or search you that state or local police do. They can establish immigration checkpoints similar to how police can establish DUI checkpoints, to screen travelers for immigration status as do cops for sobriety status, and potentially fish for other obvious signs of criminality. Checkpoints are obnoxious but they have been upheld for their limited enforcement purposes.
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
problem is there doing nothing on the fking open south boarder .. but want to trap a person at a check point .. WTF ..
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Looks like we could use podmonkeys services ....
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
IDK, we have been through several check points in the Escape Pod, we slow way down and they just wave us through. we barely come to a stop.
I guess if you want to exercise your constitutional rights, and want to sit around and argue with Border patrol for 45 minutes or an hour, thumping your chest, strutting your knowledge of the Constitution, KnockYourselfOut. We got places to go and things to see.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
California did it. I think people are just predicting what NYS will do next.
And it was ruled unconstitutional... so who gives a shit what "California did" because guess what even their attempt to do it was shut down even at the district court level..
Now go back to your probable cause pearls, and hold those as tight as you can
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
When was it ruled unconstitutional? And it’s a different situation compared to the example given before about a prohibited person. I hope it was ruled unconstitutional.
Already pointed out when it was ruled on. But I guess if I didn't have it sitting in a repurposed 50 cal ammo can, you won't be able to find it.
Take a trip over to www.google.com and type in Rhode v. Becerra
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Are you a prohibited person? Then the scenario discussed would not apply to almost anyone here, correct? All of these things are important in the fact pattern. It’s still illegal for prohibited people to possession ammunition.
I gave you an example of search and search which is correct. You don’t have to agree with it but it would be admissible.
I am happy that Rhode v. Becerra has an injunction in effect—- I don’t believe it has been officially ruled unconstitutional yet. Thank you for the information.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
If this goes through the on line days are over just so you know.
I also agree NYS will attempt to stop us from buying ammo in other states if they think we are doing it in any sort of numbers.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
One can bet their bottom Dollar that it could take days if not weeks to buy ammo. Have a riot like we saw in Rochester and guarantee the phone lines will be down to buy that ammo... For the duration.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
I would guess that on-line ammo shippers who told L. James to fu<% herself and not collect NYS sales tax would continue shipping to NYS.
Not sure the drip drip would stop unless FedEx and UPS capitulated. That would be hard to do since any package with a hazard class 9 DOT CFR sticker would likely be refused, which would stop shipping all kinds of "hazardous" items but would also be the end of on line purchase of powder for reloaders .
Banning out of state purchases of legal ammo would almost certainly be a temporary speed bump based on past / current court actions and would likely be enjoined until overturned.
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2WheelGnnr
6.5 Creedmoor
so now when I buy ammo I gotta pay an extra what 25 bucks to do a background check..as if ammo prices werent already out of wack.........ridiculous.......what is a background check gonna stop......NOTE...if bad guy can get around the initial background check all that legal stuff to get the gun in the first place do you really think he cant also get ammo for it without said same BGCK........DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm thinking it works the other way - a criminal attempts to buy some ammo...if he gets the approval, he now knows he'll probably be approved for a gun too, so why not try to buy one ?
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
My reading of the "bill / ammendments" garnered that ammo purchase checks differed from firearm background checks and were not envisioned to be part of the $25 fee. Who knows, some assholes would love a $25 infringement for a box of 22lr or a Fudd's annual 5 round hunting purchase.
Rhode v. Becerra[edit]
The case Rhode v. Becerra is challenging Proposition 63's requirement for background checks to purchase ammunition as well as its prohibition against importation of ammunition into the state by residents, unless importation takes place through a licensed ammunition dealer. On April 22, 2020, Judge Roger Benitez of the United States District Court for the Southern District of California struck down the requirement and prohibition, stating “California’s new ammunition background check law misfires and the Second Amendment rights of California citizens have been gravely injured.” California's Attorney General Xavier Becerra filed for and was granted a stay of the injunction to appeal the decision to the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.[17]Seems at the moment it is still in affect.
Modean
.223 Rem
The only thing holding up the 9th Circuit on this case was, and they even said, waiting on the Bruen decision.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Went to buds site and most of their ammo is sold out.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Who is this from?