And Once AGAIN, California thought they were free - BGC on Ammo

[Hochulsucks1234]

Everyone *can* just up and move.

The cost is higher for some that others, but there is not a single person on this forum who couldn't just get in their car and drive across the border this afternoon.

You don't because the cost is too high for you.

Eventually the cost of staying will be greater than the cost of moving.

Just hope that's before you're at the point of sailing across the open ocean on a raft made from an old Desoto like the Cubans do, or a hot air balloon made from shower curtains like the East Germans.

So, don't say you *can't* leave. You absolutely can. You just think the price is too high.

Some of us spent a decade working that personal price down so that we could leave without having to give up too much.

There is no arguing that anyone CAN just up and go. The problem is, what price is there to pay to do so? Cost in dollars, but also the cost of moving from family and lifelong friends. Cost of the stress from finding new work. So on.

I said this before and I will say it again. I could wake up tomorrow, go on Zillow and buy a property in TN or KY (our ideal states). The problem is, we have looked many times and it is very hard to find what we have. The times we do it is well over a half a million dollars. We are nestled in a small rural town, own close to 100 acres of beautiful land with streams, ponds, hardwoods. I spent 20 years perfecting my 40x80 shop. That alone would cost close to 100k to build. I could go on....

Would we make sacrifices knowing we wouldn't be able to clone what we have now? Of course. But we refuse to go buy some cookie cutter place on 2 acres of land in a HOA. We love our privacy, abundant wildlife, and of course shooting right off the back porch whenever I want. There are just some things that are not worth giving up in my opinion.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

There is no arguing that anyone CAN just up and go. The problem is, what price is there to pay to do so? Cost in dollars, but also the cost of moving from family and lifelong friends. Cost of the stress from finding new work. So on.

I said this before and I will say it again. I could wake up tomorrow, go on Zillow and buy a property in TN or KY (our ideal states). The problem is, we have looked many times and it is very hard to find what we have. The times we do it is well over a half a million dollars. We are nestled in a small rural town, own close to 100 acres of beautiful land with streams, ponds, hardwoods. I spent 20 years perfecting my 40x80 shop. That alone would cost close to 100k to build. I could go on....

Would we make sacrifices knowing we wouldn't be able to clone what we have now? Of course. But we refuse to go buy some cookie cutter place on 2 acres of land in a HOA. We love our privacy, abundant wildlife, and of course shooting right off the back porch whenever I want. There are just some things that are not worth giving up in my opinion.

I totally 100% AGREE with your comment!!!
My wife an i have looked around and considered MANY MANY times with moving. As much as we want to due to the libtawds here, nothing has even come close to what took almost 50yrs to build what we have, right now. We have lots of woods, a HUGE trout stream right on OUR own property, a very long driveway that keeps us very private from any neighbors or traffic going by, have our own gun range, indoors AND outdoors. Why would anyone give that up is beyond me. To walk away from what we built in our lifetime on our free an clear of debt, is a NO GO situation for what it would cost to replace. My wife an i are very old, we aren`t going to be around much longer. Sometimes the price of starting over just is NOT worth it. Now, if we won the lottery, i`m sure we could find a place that could be built just like we already have. Until that happens, this old man will never run, or die on his knees.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

I totally 100% AGREE with your comment!!!
My wife an i have looked around and considered MANY MANY times with moving. As much as we want to due to the libtawds here, nothing has even come close to what took almost 50yrs to build what we have, right now. We have lots of woods, a HUGE trout stream right on OUR own property, a very long driveway that keeps us very private from any neighbors or traffic going by, have our own gun range, indoors AND outdoors. Why would anyone give that up is beyond me. To walk away from what we built in our lifetime on our free an clear of debt, is a NO GO situation for what it would cost to replace. My wife an i are very old, we aren`t going to be around much longer. Sometimes the price of starting over just is NOT worth it. Now, if we won the lottery, i`m sure we could find a place that could be built just like we already have. Until that happens, this old man will never run, or die on his knees.

Amen. Funny story. I bought my property off a fella about 25 years ago. He went through a divorce and "lost it all". He went to San Antonio for a new job. I speak with him from time to time and he hates it. He wishes he never sold the property, but had no choice at the time.

I need an indoor range! Then again I dont mind winter shooting. I had the day off yesterday and did some shooting. Was cold, but wall to wall sunshine.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Everyone *can* just up and move.

The cost is higher for some that others, but there is not a single person on this forum who couldn't just get in their car and drive across the border this afternoon.

You don't because the cost is too high for you.

Eventually the cost of staying will be greater than the cost of moving.

Just hope that's before you're at the point of sailing across the open ocean on a raft made from an old Desoto like the Cubans do, or a hot air balloon made from shower curtains like the East Germans.

So, don't say you *can't* leave. You absolutely can. You just think the price is too high.

Some of us spent a decade working that personal price down so that we could leave without having to give up too much.

Not disagreeing with you spat, at all, i get it. But until a "better and cheaper" situation presents itself, my wife an i are rooted in. At my wifes age and my age, my severely failing health, plus with me being disabled, i`ll be gone soon anyway. Some things are just easier said, than done. Besides, when you ad in the cost to have someone else move everything we have, that would cost a huge fortune for us because neither one of us can do that kind of thing anymore, like all the lifting and packing, at our ages. After i`m gone, my wife can do as she pleases. If she stays, or if she sells the place and goes somewhere else, it`s her choice. At this time, she doesn`t want to give up what took us decades to build. The home an property are free an clear of any debt, and have been for decades. After she`s gone, the family will do whatever they want with everything, it won`t matter to either one of us. Let them fight over it all and end up with nothing. I`ll still be smiling from the grave.

 

[Acer-m14]

hey Cali .. drive across the border and get your ammo ..

Be like NY ..


PS!!

RELOAD!!!!!

 

[spat]

There is no arguing that anyone CAN just up and go. The problem is, what price is there to pay to do so? Cost in dollars, but also the cost of moving from family and lifelong friends. Cost of the stress from finding new work. So on.

I said this before and I will say it again. I could wake up tomorrow, go on Zillow and buy a property in TN or KY (our ideal states). The problem is, we have looked many times and it is very hard to find what we have. The times we do it is well over a half a million dollars. We are nestled in a small rural town, own close to 100 acres of beautiful land with streams, ponds, hardwoods. I spent 20 years perfecting my 40x80 shop. That alone would cost close to 100k to build. I could go on....

Would we make sacrifices knowing we wouldn't be able to clone what we have now? Of course. But we refuse to go buy some cookie cutter place on 2 acres of land in a HOA. We love our privacy, abundant wildlife, and of course shooting right off the back porch whenever I want. There are just some things that are not worth giving up in my opinion.

You're not wrong.

It cost us a lot to leave NY. The vast majority of friends and family are still there.

In the end it was worth it for us though.

Everyone has to evaluate their own cost benefit relationship.

In the 1930s there were Jews that left everything to escape Germany with just the clothes on their back, and there were Jews that were unwilling to pay that price.

Many of them found out that the price of staying was higher still.

Maybe NY will eventually get better.

But, if it doesn't, then the price of leaving will probably continue to climb.

We couldn't come close to selling our NY place for what we got 3 years ago for it today.

 

[spat]

Not disagreeing with you spat, at all, i get it. But until a "better and cheaper" situation presents itself, my wife an i are rooted in. At my wifes age and my age, my severely failing health, plus with me being disabled, i`ll be gone soon anyway. Some things are just easier said, than done. Besides, when you ad in the cost to have someone else move everything we have, that would cost a huge fortune for us because neither one of us can do that kind of thing anymore, like all the lifting and packing, at our ages. After i`m gone, my wife can do as she pleases. If she stays, or if she sells the place and goes somewhere else, it`s her choice. At this time, she doesn`t want to give up what took us decades to build. The home an property are free an clear of any debt, and have been for decades. After she`s gone, the family will do whatever they want with everything, it won`t matter to either one of us. Let them fight over it all and end up with nothing. I`ll still be smiling from the grave.

Yep, everyone has a different cost/benefit for leaving. Everyone needs to evaluate that calculation for themselves.

My sister actually *likes* it in NY (but she votes D, so what can I say).

My point was just that when people say "I can't leave", what they really mean is "I don't think I want to leave, after you figure all the factors".

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Yep, everyone has a different cost/benefit for leaving. Everyone needs to evaluate that calculation for themselves.

My sister actually *likes* it in NY (but she votes D, so what can I say).

My point was just that when people say "I can't leave", what they really mean is "I don't think I want to leave, after you figure all the factors".

My wife an i love our place. We had planned on living out the rest of our lives on this piece of dirt that we own.
The problem is, all the liberal infestation that moved into upstate from the sh!thole city and ruined everything.

Yup, i hear ya about your sister. I also have an older sister like that that lives here and votes blue because she`s phuckin stupid.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

You're not wrong.

It cost us a lot to leave NY. The vast majority of friends and family are still there.

In the end it was worth it for us though.

Everyone has to evaluate their own cost benefit relationship.

In the 1930s there were Jews that left everything to escape Germany with just the clothes on their back, and there were Jews that were unwilling to pay that price.

Many of them found out that the price of staying was higher still.

Maybe NY will eventually get better.

But, if it doesn't, then the price of leaving will probably continue to climb.

We couldn't come close to selling our NY place for what we got 3 years ago for it today.

All good points. I will add to my initial reply that there are lines we will not cross. If things get to the point where we are forced to cross lines we will up and leave immediately.

We home school our kids. If they ever told us we couldn't, that is one line we won't cross. If they started confiscating guns, quarantining people over a flu, or any other over the edge things...we would be gone. Not list the house and wait gone, but load as much shit in our vehicles and on trailers as we can and just go gone.

We will stick it out for now. Will things get better? I can be optimistic, but I am also a realist. Outside of a major near extinction level event in NYC or a civil war, nothing will change. The good news is our property is paid off. Within 10 years or so we want to buy a small 3-5 acre plot of land somewhere in the south, plop an RV on it, and use it as a winter getaway when we retire. It would also be a safety net for a situation like I mentioned above.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Our forefathers fought for us, the least any one of us can do is to stand our ground and fight! Only cowards run away, then brag about freedom.

This shit is pathetic. You and all the other assholes on this forum claiming this aren't fighting anything. You are just using your situtation as a badge of honor to judge others. Call me when you actually fight. You aren't and you won't. But you sure as shit LOVE to criticize people and states that do. I moved my voting power to a state that actively supports the 2A and I sacrificed a lot to do so. Dumb fucks like you cannot seem to comprehend that. You cannot seem to see beyond your own sad situation.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[ArmedCorgi]

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How long have you been a member here? You have the fucking balls to call me a troll?

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Oh, burn. Except I’m a poontang fan. So, you eat what you like, and I’ll eat what I like. Deal?

Go away. Give Shannon Watts a call. Deal?

 

[Acer-m14]

How long have you been a member here? You have the fucking balls to call me a troll?

years ago i was called a troll ..

my damn long messed up hair .. LOL

 

[ArmedCorgi]

The problem is, all the liberal infestation that moved into upstate from the sh!thole city and ruined everything.

"tHe PrObLeM iS" haha, but you criticize those that get away from that. I have zero respect or empathy for you. Stay and suffer because it looks like that is all you have to hold on to.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Not disagreeing with you spat, at all, i get it. But until a "better and cheaper" situation presents itself, my wife an i are rooted in. At my wifes age and my age, my severely failing health, plus with me being disabled, i`ll be gone soon anyway. Some things are just easier said, than done. Besides, when you ad in the cost to have someone else move everything we have, that would cost a huge fortune for us because neither one of us can do that kind of thing anymore, like all the lifting and packing, at our ages. After i`m gone, my wife can do as she pleases. If she stays, or if she sells the place and goes somewhere else, it`s her choice. At this time, she doesn`t want to give up what took us decades to build. The home an property are free an clear of any debt, and have been for decades. After she`s gone, the family will do whatever they want with everything, it won`t matter to either one of us. Let them fight over it all and end up with nothing. I`ll still be smiling from the grave.

Boo fucking hoo. Get off my back for being able to do what you can't.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

oh please, do point out in this post where i was on "your back". Weird, i don`t see your name even mentioned in this post above. The conversation was between spat and i. YOUR name wasn`t even mentioned.

 

[MothMan]

the ex-pat NYer's must not be finding life so easy in their new free state homes they seem to want to come back to a NewYorkistan gun site and vent their anger on hard working honest NYer's

 

[JunkBoxFull]

the ex-pat NYer's must not be finding life so easy in their new free state homes they seem to want to come back to a NewYorkistan gun site and vent their anger on hard working honest NYer's

Some seem to think they aren`t getting enough attention and praise for moving out.
Like little children, some will even stomp their wee little feet if you don`t hand them a wee little trophy.

 

[Beerman]

Go away. Give Shannon Watts a call. Deal?

No, thanks. I’ll stay right here, where my property borders the runway where my airplane is hangared. Where my family has been since before the Civil War. Where the Adirondacks have been for millennia. Where people are rugged individualists, outdoorsmen, hunters, fishermen, boaters, backpackers… No, I won’t be going away. I’m from the Adirondacks, and I love it here. I’ve lived in other states, even “free states,” and I loved those places, too. Many people have multi-faceted lives that are influenced by many things. Pulling up stakes and running isn’t everyone’s first reaction when something doesn’t go their way. Some people have intestinal fortitude. Some have no brains. Others have plenty of wonderful things happening in their lives while others only know suffering and pain. Such is life. It’s complicated. For those that choose to leave, I bid them happiness and success. I don’t begrudge them their departure. I understand it. Endorse it, even. It would be nice if those that relocated were able to wish the same for those that chose to stay. Some homes have deep roots, emotions. It’s complicated.


We noticed that you went away, although you sure come here often. (You do know that “sister wives” are not intended to be your actual sisters, right?) Anyway, welcome to our out-of-state friends! Three beers in the downstairs kegerator, two in the garage kegger. Help yourselves. Even Mormons are allowed beers at my house.

Ammo BGCs suck. I hope the law gets repealed, enjoined, or amended in a way that eliminates it altogether.

 

[Robin]

This shit is pathetic. You and all the other assholes on this forum claiming this aren't fighting anything. You are just using your situtation as a badge of honor to judge others. Call me when you actually fight. You aren't and you won't. But you sure as shit LOVE to criticize people and states that do. I moved my voting power to a state that actively supports the 2A and I sacrificed a lot to do so. Dumb fucks like you cannot seem to comprehend that. You cannot seem to see beyond your own sad situation.

Well that wasn't very nice. One could easily group you with the summer soldier's and the sunshine patriot's, when the going got tough, you got going!
See how easy that was.
Look Corgi, I'm not trying to blister anyone that has left this once great state but I won't be belittled for staying either and will fight the fight with my fellow compatriots anyway I can come what may. I am actually happy for you that you are happy where you are.
Robin

 

[ArmedCorgi]

the ex-pat NYer's must not be finding life so easy in their new free state homes they seem to want to come back to a NewYorkistan gun site and vent their anger on hard working honest NYer's

Oh life is a lot better out here, thank you very much. I've been a member of this site for as long as you @MothMan, if not longer, going all the way back the old forum. I also support this site financially on a monthly basis. So get off your fucking high horse.
What makes me angry, is when people here decide to be assholes about laws introduced in states that, even they know, have no chance of passing as if the sky is falling and they mock people who have up and moved trying to make them look like idiots for doing so. I'm tired of it. I don't rub anything in peoples faces here unless they deserve it.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Well that wasn't very nice. One could easily group you with the summer soldier's and the sunshine patriot's, when the going got tough, you got going!
See how easy that was.
Look Corgi, I'm not trying to blister anyone that has left this once great state but I won't be belittled for staying either and will fight the fight with my fellow compatriots anyway I can come what may. I am actually happy for you that you are happy where you are.
Robin

It wasn't directed at you @Robin.

"When the going got tough"? Perhaps you've forgotten but I lived throught the safeact just like you Robin. So sorry if after years of dealing with it and seeing that things only get worse in NY, I was smart enough to come to the realization that there was nothing I could do in NY to change anything. I guess I'm a bad person for wanting a government that supports our rights and for making the sacrifices I did to make that a reality. Also, guns aren't the only reason I wanted to move.

Perhaps, I don't need this forum anymore. Perhaps I shouldn't support it with my hard earned money anymore. I certainly don't like the lot of jealous fudds that seem to be joining.
Bottom line, while I'm here, if members are gonna talk shit about free states, I'm gonna answer back.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Here you go

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[JunkBoxFull]

"Perhaps, I don't need this forum anymore. Perhaps I shouldn't support it with my hard earned money anymore."

 

[Bigfoot]

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[spat]

the ex-pat NYer's must not be finding life so easy in their new free state homes they seem to want to come back to a NewYorkistan gun site and vent their anger on hard working honest NYer's

To be fair, the gun forums in the free states are pretty quiet.

Gun owners in free states don't have as acute an appreciation for the threat we face, so the forums are far less active.

Many see the threats to the RKBA as a "blue state problem" that will never come to them.

Those of us who have escaped know this is false, but it does make most of the state specific gun forums too inactive to be a replacement for an active site such as this.

It also happens that NY and CA have more gun owners than the vast majority of red states.

So, even though NY gun owners are oppressed, they are also far more numerous. Some states are just too small to have their own forum as vibrant as this one.

Plus, the majority of discussion here is relevant to the whole country anyway.

 

[dsdmmat]

To be fair, the gun forums in the free states are pretty quiet.

Gun owners in free states don't have as acute an appreciation for the threat we face, so the forums are far less active.

Many see the threats to the RKBA as a "blue state problem" that will never come to them.

Those of us who have escaped know this is false, but it does make most of the state specific gun forums too inactive to be a replacement for an active site such as this.

It also happens that NY and CA have more gun owners than the vast majority of red states.

So, even though NY gun owners are oppressed, they are also far more numerous. Some states are just too small to have their own forum as vibrant as this one.

Plus, the majority of discussion here is relevant to the whole country anyway.

Very true the NC gun owners forum is not very active. However they talk a lot more about guns and less about politics. A few of the most active posters are EX-NYers.

I am not on any of the forums as much as I used to be. Better weather for shooting down here in the winter. Not as great in the summer though.

I still have to go to NY a couple times a year until I can dislodge the wife. But the move to NC was for betterment of my career and setting us up better for retirement. I certainly hope NY gets better in the next few years. I would move back if the political climate for guns changed. Until then I can’t see myself ever living back there.

 

[fresch]

Can't we all just get along? Said some guy.
Only people who know, know that NYC isn't nystate.
When I lived in Texas in the 70s to carry concealed all you "needed" was to cross a county line, not that anyone cared. Now the laws have changed adding bs in order to carry, not that anyone cares because they all still carry. Enforcement differences.
The freedoms once enjoyed everywhere are being slowly policed away by the same people (democrats) in all states. By design not happenstance.
We the people need to stick together and use the same playbook as the commies; divide and conquer; brothers.