And yet then there is NYSRPA
- Thread starter Edwardteach72
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What are they fucking up now?
JohnD13
.357 mag
I have no confidence in the NYSRPA. They really messed up on the safe act and have not done anything worth while since.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I don’t get the angle on this. So they win and they can go shoot thier guns in other parts of NYS. Big whoppie.
eris
.45 acp
NYC bans people from taking their guns out of the city?!?! There's no fucking way that could pass review at the Supreme Court. What are you supposed to do if you move out of the city, anyway? Sell you guns first? Bullshit.
I don't envy New Yorkers.
I don't envy New Yorkers.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And you think that'll help how? As a volunteer, is Edward going to single-handedly take control of the lawsuits?
I hate when people say things like this.
C3D
.338 Win Mag
The policy on guns out of the City is 100% unconstitutional, no doubt about it.
But zero chance that SCOTUS will grant cert, and so the case will not be heard. The law will stand.
But zero chance that SCOTUS will grant cert, and so the case will not be heard. The law will stand.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
You're right. Just standing around with your hands in your pockets is much more effective.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Correct. Equally as effective.You're right. Just standing around with your hands in your pockets is much more effective.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
It'll never make it to SCOTUS, they'll simply refuse to hear the case. The circuit court wont even help us.
The objective of NY politicians is to drive each and every Conservative and true Republican out of NY for good. That way they can have their socialist utopia.
Don't envy us NY'ers? Just wait till after the first of the year. Shit's gonna get worse.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
So what's the answer?
I've got what amounts to a life sentence here in NY - unless something unforeseen happens, I'm likely going to be here for the next 15 -20 years. I'm not one to sit back and watch things turn to shit and not try to make things better.
In your opinion, what should New Yorkers who don't have an escape plan be doing to try and contain the damage, if not make things better here?
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
The courts aren't going to do us any good, no legal means is going to change our laws here. How many millions have been spent already fighting these BS laws? The State has unlimited funds and time, like it or not we are paying der fuhrer's defense fund. Add to that the number of Conservatives who have, and are moving, because they have no viable future here. This state is done. It's already turned to shit.
The only thing I can see to do is stock up on what you like and don't talk freely about it. Why sink finances into a lost cause unless you like betting on a horse with a broken leg?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
There are only 3 things you can do.
1. Take it and comply.
2. Move out.
3. Gather thousands of people like you and take up arms. That wouldn't work either unless you are okay with using those arms against politicians and law enforcement who protect them and even if you successfully do that, than you'd have to deal with the Feds for the crimes they'll say you committed.
Those are the only 3 choices and the third one is far fetched with almost a zero chance of being successful. So that just really leaves 2 choices. Writing letters and making phone calls does nothing. Donating money to these organizations also does nothing.
eris
.45 acp
Used to be that writing letters and making phone calls and fighting in the courts did nothing to stop the Jim Crow laws and segregation. But then one day it worked anyway. Never give in to despair. There's always hope for a better future.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
And then there's NY.....
Hopeless
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That would only work in a purple state where your vote counts. It doesn't work in solid blue states.
oc shooter
.223 Rem
never give up ever
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
were gunna have to get heller back on the docket and fix a part of it ..
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Extract from Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith
Paris Nov. 13. 1787.
the people can not be all, & always, well informed. the part which is wrong [. . .] will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure.
Probably too late, Thomas, we seem to have a population that enjoys their bread and circus every bit as much as they fear the concept of Liberty.
Robin
Paris Nov. 13. 1787.
the people can not be all, & always, well informed. the part which is wrong [. . .] will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure.
Probably too late, Thomas, we seem to have a population that enjoys their bread and circus every bit as much as they fear the concept of Liberty.
Robin
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Cuomo has appointed every appellate judge in nys at this point. Damn right they won’t help.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Sure I agree with that, but saying black folks are not 100% human or citizens is different from the right to own a gun. Listen to these liberals they don’t think we matter. Sure people said the same about black folks, but I think this is different. Maybe it will change maybe it won’t. Time will tell. I know they say the generation after the millennials is the most conservative, but my kids are in that generation and I don’t see it. What my son tells me boils my blood. They have patriotic day at school and only a handful of kids wear a flag themed shirt. Not a good sign.
Give me the money NYSRPA rakes in and I'll "volunteer" and do nothing as a full time job.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Just a question, Is a NYC premise permit/carry permit a NYS premise permit/carry permit? I kind of thought they were total for NYC only.
Not sure what you are asking, but...
A NY CITY carry permit is good for carry in all of NY STATE. A NY STATE carry permit is NOT valid in NYC. Nice double standard huh?
A premise permit (either in NY or NYC) is ONLY valid for possession of the handgun at the address listed on the permit. No target shooting, no hunting, no transporting for repair. Nothing. Nada.
This is the problem...NYC only issues PREMISE permits nowadays, because in the 90s they found out that a restricted "target/sportsman" permit is still technically a full carry permit...and they couldn't allow that to happen anymore!
So now they only issue premise permits, but "allow" people to go target shooting. Which is still illegal. If a NYS trooper caught A NYC handgun owner going to a NYC range with only a NYC premise permit, he COULD arrest you. An NYPD officer would be told NOT to arrest you, because that would upset their little scheme.
But the NYPD would rather "allow" NYC gun owners to break NYS law by transporting with a premise permit...than give them an actual carry permit.
This is how NYC fought this transport law all these years...They told the judge: "Your honor, NYC gun owners can't legally transport their handguns with a premise permit!!!" But the NYPD argued that they COULD grant a special permission to premise holders to transport under their discretion, since it was "adding" to a premise permit.
So the judge ruled that making up a new class of permit was A-OK for NYC...hence this ILLEGAL "premise only but OK for target shooting, but only in NYC, handgun permit" permit.
What the NYSRPA REALLY needs to do it sue NYC for ONLY issuing premise permits, which legally allow you to do NOTHING with your gun.
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Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
A law student is going after NYC harder then these tools who are funded by membership dues. Fucking Joke. We have multiple Hawaii, Chicago, DC, decisions that set up shall issue carry across the country but allowing premise holders to leave the city is some how priority. Way too grab that low hanging fruit.
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eris
.45 acp
"Shale issue"? Sure, why not! Give me some shale and I'll set up a fracking operation and make a ton of money!
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
My Bad "Shall" glad you pointed it out, hell may have froze over due to the confusion.
"Shale issue"? Sure, why not! Give me some shale and I'll set up a fracking operation and make a ton of money!
eris
.45 acp
Not ragging on your spelling. I'm a terrible typist, myself. I just liked the image of the government issuing shale to people. It tickled my funny bone.