For my rice, beans and the like...
I seal all of the food in a mylar bag with O2 packets then seal in a five gallon bucket.
Anyone stocking up more and more??
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For my rice, beans and the like...
I seal all of the food in a mylar bag with O2 packets then seal in a five gallon bucket.
Any recommendations to places to purchase the storage material. We pretty much only have walmart as a buck supplier of food around us.
I order the mylar bags from Amazon. Many different sizes to chose from
When they shop bags to you, nearly all will ship O2 packets as well.
Five gallon buckets are everywhere.
Sorry, I also dry can a lot of dry foods. Very easy to dry can rice and beans
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Don’t forget honey.
survives longer than any of us.
can be used for energy, antiseptic, and so much more.
survives longer than any of us.
can be used for energy, antiseptic, and so much more.
Have about 400 gallons of maple syrup at any one time ready to go
I have more honey that I think I will ever use.
Love honey.
I picked up a great deal about a year ago...
Two five gallon buckets of fresh honey for 2000 rounds of 22lr.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Here is a good site that will help you out .
Amazon. Lots of choices there
HIghlander
.223 Rem
Most would die as unwilling to learn or do what must be done in the real world of life.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
I hear you ...Many have no idea of how to cook...A friend of mine said his wife has cooked about 5 meals in 5 years in their kitchen... They order or eat out all the time.
Honey is a lot of hard work: making friends with someone who has Apiaries, can pay off handsomely: Friend of mine has Bees to pollinate has Apple Orchards, and he had to burn literally a ton of Honey/combs/Frames because he just couldn't do anything else with it.
There are lots of grades and flavors, uncountable uses, and it keeps extremely well, but it's not without faults, so be ware.
@MilesTeg How close are you to Palmyra? If I were to do things all over again, I would take a bit of a different approach. Start with a road trip to a LDS cannery. call to see what they have available.
I have bought some stuff from them on line, never at the store. Have you been to this location? Do they usually have a good stock of stuff?
Cavalry
.308 Win
You are in the right direction. I like the 1ish gallon mylar bags. Its more reasonable for what you can use in a couple days/week. You can stack the smaller bags in a 5 gal bucket. The real O2 absorbers are cheap to buy, but you need to work fast and seal the absorber bag inbetween batches and when you are done. Make sure to get the right size/number for your particular mylar bag. If your wife has a straightening iron it works just fine for sealing mylar and is far cheaper than an impulse. Check with your local bakery, they usually can hook you up with all the 5 gallon buckets you could ever want.
Rice and beans are cheap store well and are full of protein. Flour is not a long term store, but if you are willing to make the investment on a mill, wheat berries certainty are. For long term bulk items I also suggest oats, pasta, salt and sugar. All dirt cheap and have long shelf life.
If you intend on making bread from the flour, you also will need yeast. No appreciable shelf life, so you need to rotate it out and should look into a yeast starter if you aren't already familiar. Lastly everything long term storage takes a shit load of water to make something from it. Make sure you have the ability to store or procure water.
Cavalry
.308 Win
I'm curious of this as well. Its a hike for me, but I would go if they were typically well stocked. Online LDS shows out of stock on every item.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Call before you go . .
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I drive to Bob’s Bees and Honey in Vernon.
he will fill up any container you want.
Easy day.
fnfalguy
.308 Win
@GOPerfect I have not been to their Palmyra location. I have been quite a few times to one much closer to me in Central NJ. I think my first visit was about 10-12 yrs ago. I remember my wife telling me that when she spoke with the woman in charge to set up an appointment (you could can your own stuff from their bulk supplies at that time), my wife asked if it was ok that we weren't Mormons. The response she got was "honey, everyone deserves to eat". When we met them and spent a few hours with them, they were truly salt of the earth. With the current world conditions, I would definitely call ahead first to confirm they are open and what might be available. The initial $500 we spent there (prices were even lower then) was well spent to build up long term storage.
Looking back, we went way too heavy on wheat berries, but we have slowly been working through them to grind into flour and make overnight cereal with the berries. Several hundred pounds is a lot of wheat berries for sure. Same thing with the beans. We should have set a goal of XX months of basic calories (rice, beans, sugar, etc.) and then started to expand into other long term "sexier" food options after that (for us that includes dessert items, indian food, thai food, etc). We are currently happy with where we are at, but it was a learning experience to get there. The point we are at is to rotate through what we have and replace as we go through it.
Referring to @MilesTeg post a few above, while I have five gallon pails of rice, beans, etc., I trust the commercial canning more than the hair dryer sealing Mylar abortion we used at the time. We now have an impulse sealer, but Its not for a Mylar bag of that width. I'm sure others are more skilled than I with the sealing of those large pails, but my food security was worth us spending a few $ more for the commercial stuff. Once we had the commercial packaged stuff, we could dick around with packaging our own as it was redundant and if it failed, we had a fallback position.
Once again, solo mi dos centavos.
ETA: I don’t normally share these sort of photos, but food security is one of those topics I feel strongly about. So our choice was once the basics were in place (and that determination of time period to be covered is quite personal) then we expanded to stuff such as these as after a while food boredom would set in for us:
Looking back, we went way too heavy on wheat berries, but we have slowly been working through them to grind into flour and make overnight cereal with the berries. Several hundred pounds is a lot of wheat berries for sure. Same thing with the beans. We should have set a goal of XX months of basic calories (rice, beans, sugar, etc.) and then started to expand into other long term "sexier" food options after that (for us that includes dessert items, indian food, thai food, etc). We are currently happy with where we are at, but it was a learning experience to get there. The point we are at is to rotate through what we have and replace as we go through it.
Referring to @MilesTeg post a few above, while I have five gallon pails of rice, beans, etc., I trust the commercial canning more than the hair dryer sealing Mylar abortion we used at the time. We now have an impulse sealer, but Its not for a Mylar bag of that width. I'm sure others are more skilled than I with the sealing of those large pails, but my food security was worth us spending a few $ more for the commercial stuff. Once we had the commercial packaged stuff, we could dick around with packaging our own as it was redundant and if it failed, we had a fallback position.
Once again, solo mi dos centavos.
ETA: I don’t normally share these sort of photos, but food security is one of those topics I feel strongly about. So our choice was once the basics were in place (and that determination of time period to be covered is quite personal) then we expanded to stuff such as these as after a while food boredom would set in for us:
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livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
I wish I has a few hundred pounds of hard red wheat . For what its worth folks Watching some you tube videos The quality of the wheat may be poor for the bread wheat. (this year ) Lack of rain at the correct time. . Harvest is still underway... So what is being sold is last years crop.
fnfalguy
.308 Win
We have both hard red and hard white. For breakfast eating, haven’t noticed much of a difference between the two. For bread making, wifey says she can tell the difference, but we also store vital wheat gluten for baking as well.
Thanks for sharing. Real thanks.
Looks like we have gone along the same type of path on this adventure.
fnfalguy
.308 Win
aside from the similarities in age (I’m guessing), we probably have far more things in common than diametrically opposed.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
i have had a few jars of honey stored and it turned almost black in color and crystalized .. store bought stuff ( pure honey ) .. from some research its still
good .. just does not look right .. have to heat it up and remove the crystallization lumps
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
back .. forgot to something on honey . i use it when i get a sore throat .. squeeze a mouthful and let it slowing melt and go down the pipe a few times a day ..
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
So, I'm not going to parse through 5 pages of this thread to see if it was mentioned, but this goes directly toward stocking up -
In 1859, a medium solar flare hit our planet.
Luckily, being 1859, the Earth's mag field was pretty decent, and there wasn't much electricity about.
But on that day, any stuff that did exist, mostly telegraphs along railroads, got fried.
Quite literally, the wires burned on the poles. Not shitting you.
Back then, they didn't have a big-assed coil transformer on a phone pole, every two houses. They didn't have a choke coil in every power supply throughout your house; there were no power supplies. But on that day, either because of the flare or as a result of whatever caused it, Earth's N and S magnetic poles got kicked and started moving toward the equator. Fast. And they've been moving faster, since then. And the mag field has been weakening as they do so. A lot, more and more each year. That same solar flare, today, would wipe us back into the bronze age in mere hours.
Why? If that crap hit today, probably every piece of romex would get hot. Every motor would melt, every transformer would melt, every shitty wire-nut junction would come due. And a lot of it will burn. Every PSU would cook off, without question. Every motor, compressor, pump, electric stove, AirCon would burn, your circuit breaker and "muh grounding" wouldn't mean fuck-all; it isn't about "grounding". It's all about step potentials, orientation, and B-flux at that point.
In the 1859 Carrington Event, telegraph operators got their ears burned, seriously so, even with the shit turned off and the headsets *unplugged*.
It turns out, speakers have coils. "Grounding" didn't mean shit.
.
In your canning and 5gal bucket strategy,
make sure you account for the fact that your smoke detectors will make, at best, a momentary "wwerrrrp", once, as anything with a choke coil in it cooks off.
And then you will have about four minutes of triage to decide what you will throw out of a window before you throw yourself out of it. Remember that you'll need to survive that fall.
What I will suggest, when that takes place - and it *will* take place in the next half solar cycle -
Everyone of value gets out immediately, and shuts every door to every room on their way out.
If you can store your prep stuff *away* from what's going to burn on that day, then do so, as best you can. Think "Amish".
Some stuff will need to be rescued from the house, that's a given. Decide which pets that includes. Realize that you have about 3 or 4 minutes to do so, if you wake up immediately, and realize that your gear and you are going out of a window when conditions become untenable. A lung-full of phosgene and cynonide from your wife's burning sofa and carpet, and it won't matter if you actually get out the window; you'll die on the grass twelve minutes later. Noone will be coming to help; *every* house will be doing this.
I pray I get to look back at this post in 20 years and think, "what a douche."
But odds are, our ability to use "electricity" won't exist at that point. It *is* coming. We can do fuck-all to stop it; the sun does what it always does. And one of the things it does is hit us with a big fucking flare every 150 to 200 years.
We're due. And electric crap is new.
In 1859, a medium solar flare hit our planet.
Luckily, being 1859, the Earth's mag field was pretty decent, and there wasn't much electricity about.
But on that day, any stuff that did exist, mostly telegraphs along railroads, got fried.
Quite literally, the wires burned on the poles. Not shitting you.
Back then, they didn't have a big-assed coil transformer on a phone pole, every two houses. They didn't have a choke coil in every power supply throughout your house; there were no power supplies. But on that day, either because of the flare or as a result of whatever caused it, Earth's N and S magnetic poles got kicked and started moving toward the equator. Fast. And they've been moving faster, since then. And the mag field has been weakening as they do so. A lot, more and more each year. That same solar flare, today, would wipe us back into the bronze age in mere hours.
Why? If that crap hit today, probably every piece of romex would get hot. Every motor would melt, every transformer would melt, every shitty wire-nut junction would come due. And a lot of it will burn. Every PSU would cook off, without question. Every motor, compressor, pump, electric stove, AirCon would burn, your circuit breaker and "muh grounding" wouldn't mean fuck-all; it isn't about "grounding". It's all about step potentials, orientation, and B-flux at that point.
In the 1859 Carrington Event, telegraph operators got their ears burned, seriously so, even with the shit turned off and the headsets *unplugged*.
It turns out, speakers have coils. "Grounding" didn't mean shit.
.
In your canning and 5gal bucket strategy,
make sure you account for the fact that your smoke detectors will make, at best, a momentary "wwerrrrp", once, as anything with a choke coil in it cooks off.
And then you will have about four minutes of triage to decide what you will throw out of a window before you throw yourself out of it. Remember that you'll need to survive that fall.
What I will suggest, when that takes place - and it *will* take place in the next half solar cycle -
Everyone of value gets out immediately, and shuts every door to every room on their way out.
If you can store your prep stuff *away* from what's going to burn on that day, then do so, as best you can. Think "Amish".
Some stuff will need to be rescued from the house, that's a given. Decide which pets that includes. Realize that you have about 3 or 4 minutes to do so, if you wake up immediately, and realize that your gear and you are going out of a window when conditions become untenable. A lung-full of phosgene and cynonide from your wife's burning sofa and carpet, and it won't matter if you actually get out the window; you'll die on the grass twelve minutes later. Noone will be coming to help; *every* house will be doing this.
I pray I get to look back at this post in 20 years and think, "what a douche."
But odds are, our ability to use "electricity" won't exist at that point. It *is* coming. We can do fuck-all to stop it; the sun does what it always does. And one of the things it does is hit us with a big fucking flare every 150 to 200 years.
We're due. And electric crap is new.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Yep. Like you said, doesn’t make it bad.
Stores for thousands of years.
and nice raw honey is better for you. Fk that store shit.
Really gotta watch some of the "Store Bought" shit as its adulterated with Corn syrup...there are plenty of road-side stands, farmers markets, and people in the business selling the real deal.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
How To Prepare For Hard Times Where To Buy Food For Long Term Storage
Emergency long term food storage is as simple as visiting a LDS Home Storage Center location. We have found the best prices on emergency survival food can be found at LDS canning locations. As the economy gets worse food is going to become more and more expensive. It seems to me that families should have a minimum of 3 months worth of food stored in your pantry.
Emergency long term food storage is as simple as visiting a LDS Home Storage Center location. We have found the best prices on emergency survival food can be found at LDS canning locations. As the economy gets worse food is going to become more and more expensive. It seems to me that families should have a minimum of 3 months worth of food stored in your pantry.