AR Pistol Discontinued
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Lol Springfield Armory Inc..
Maybe they have some inside info on some gun control legislation they helped with that will prevent ar pistols
Maybe they have some inside info on some gun control legislation they helped with that will prevent ar pistols
Might be onto something: the only things "different" on an AR Pistol is a rounded buffer tube, shorter barrel and short gas tube (possibly handguards) nothing really difficult or significant.....who knows, with Democrats in charge anything negative to gun owners can happen.
I get it owning an AR Pistol, I have one myself. (pinned magazine) but they aren't exactly pleasant to shoot, especially in 5.56
PutnamCharlie
6.5 Creedmoor
If you want one build your own. It will probably be better anyway.
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
There's a lot of speculation that the AFT will go ahead with 4999. This will classify the typical AR pistol as a SBR.
If they take a similar stance as they have with Form 1 suppressors, you'll never be able to register them. Insta felon
If they take a similar stance as they have with Form 1 suppressors, you'll never be able to register them. Insta felon
Um what are you talking about.. most ar pistols will use a standard milspec buffer tube. And what short Gas tube are you talking about.. I'm pretty sure 12.5 can use a carbine length Gas tube.
@Will556 could probably correct me on the gas tube
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"Pistol" Buffer Tubes are fully round without the locking rail underlug (in the case of Carbine Tubes) and shorter than Rifle Tubes.
There are "Pistol length" gas tubes that are coiled into a pig-tailed, as well as those shorter than Carbine length.
The Barrel lengths off the top of my head are 7-1/2" 9" and 12-1/2" and likely custom sizes, not to mention muzzle devices.
Ummmm ok I'm just going to walk away because this is all just nonsense.. hahahahahhhahaa
All the parts interchange, but those parts are specifically for Pistol applications....sure you could stick a Rifle length tube on it, but it's going to be clumsy and without that specifically shortened Gas Tube you're going to end up with a single shot auto loader.
If what I said was nonsense, please do educate me and others concurring.
No my man, you’re completely wrong. The designation of “pistol length” gas tube has absolutely nothing to do if it’s a pistol or a rifle. The gas length of an AR is strictly based off of the chambering of the build and barrel length. For example “Q” manufacturers the Honey Badger SBR. The Honey Badger used a 7” 300blk barrel with a “pistol length” gas system…the Honey Badger *SBR* is a rifle…a Short Barreled Rifle. You physically could not have a “rifle length” gas system which gas tube itself would be longer than the barrel. Also there are some receiver extensions (buffer tubes) that are completely round and smooth that are called “pistol buffer tubes” but a pistol does not require you to have one installed for it to be designated a pistol. You can absolutely use a standard adjustable receiver extension for a pistol. The difference is what piece of gear gets installed onto it…a brace (pistol) or a stock (rifle).
Also, “Q” manufactures the Honey Bader Pistol. Which the only difference between the two besides rail length options (which has zero to do with pistol or rifle designation) is that the SBR was manufactured with a stock and the pistol was manufactured with a brace. And you might try and make the argument regarding the Honey Badger doesn’t count because it doesn’t utilize a standard receiver extension and uses a propriety brace/stock setup…but you’d be wrong because Daniel Defense does this exact same thing with their MK18. You can purchase a MK18 carbine (rifle) and you can purchase a MK18 Pistol. The only different is the rifle version comes with a DD stock and the pistol version comes with a brace, both use the exact same receiver extension.
It's quite loud but my 10.5 once 0'd makes a nice group @50 yds. I just have to red dot lower for CQD.
Hmmmm!!!
Correct and I spoke of parts commonly associated with "pistol" configurations and how they differ.
The .300BLK I built utilizes a 9" Barrel and a 6.75" gas tube commonly referred to as a "Pistol" length, whereas a "Carbine" is 9.75", a "Mid-Length" is 11.75" and a "Rifle" is 15.75" Now, is any of that wrong?
The origin of this was the question of Springfield discontinuing AR Pistols, perhaps due to a shortage of Parts and my assertion was there are only a few items that vary from Rifles and Carbines, so one would not think that a parts shortage would be the cause.
And unless I missed something, the "Arm Braces" (at least the one's I've seen) were mounted on 7-1/4" round tubes commonly referred to as "Pistol Buffer Tubes" ones that lack a screw hole in the rear for a conventional Stock or the underlug for a Collapsible Stock.
With 60 years of Production, changes, and innovations to arguably the most popular platform in the United States, there are bound to be exotics and radically different designs....Honeybadgers and SBR's are a different subject.
I guess you did miss something, because manufactured or built pistols no not have to have the round smooth “pistol” buffer tubes. You can use any style buffer tube to build a pistol. You could use the Vltor A5 style buffer tube one a pistol build and it wouldn’t matter…it would still be a pistol.
You can buy a completed lower that comes with an actual stock like a B5 Sopmod or a Magpul CTR and it’s still not considered a rifle until it has an upper affixed to it. So you could in fact buy a completed lower by itself with a stock, pull the stock off, and install a brace on it without an issue. Some pistol braces which are obviously used to manufacture or be built into pistols come with standard AR15 carbine buffer tubes, like the SBA3 and the SBA4.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I’d guess they have a shortage of parts and they sell more AR long guns than pistols so whatever parts they can get are going there. Just a guess though.
No I did not, and did indicate that one could put whatever tube on they wanted, there's no argument.....Pistol Parts are simply what's commonly used, and other than gas tubes being sized according to where the gas port is drilled doesn't legally matter either....If you want to take the long gas tube commonly associated with and referred to within the Industry as a "Rifle" length tube and twist that fucker round and round until it'll fit the Barrel of your Pistol, then go for it....probably won't work worth a shit, but it's legal and has nothing to do with the designation be it Pistol, Rifle, or Short Barreled Rifle....never said it did.
Saying things like this are proof that you don't actually know what you are talking about
Here is a pretty fun game..
LMT MARS-L PISTOL 5.56
11.5" barrel
LMT MARS-L PDW 5.56
10.5" barrel (omg what a rifle with a shorter barrel than the pistol???? Noooo)
Other than the "pistol" having a SBA3 pistol brace and 1" longer barrel can you guess what other different parts are used that are "pistol parts" that you claim pistols use??
I'll give you a hint.. nothing
LMT MARS-L PISTOL 5.56
11.5" barrel
LMT MARS-L PDW 5.56
10.5" barrel (omg what a rifle with a shorter barrel than the pistol???? Noooo)
Other than the "pistol" having a SBA3 pistol brace and 1" longer barrel can you guess what other different parts are used that are "pistol parts" that you claim pistols use??
I'll give you a hint.. nothing
One can make a Pistol into a Rifle, but cannot make a Rifle into a Pistol without Registering it and paying the $200. Tax Stamp.
A Rifle with a Barrel less than 16" and an overall length of 26" is considered a "Short Barreled Rifle" and requires a Tax Stamp and Registration. and if you add a Buttstock to a Pistol it now becomes a SBR if the Barrel is less than sixteen inches and/or overall less than 26 inches.
There is not a minimum or maximum barrel length Law for a Pistol
A stripped Frame/Receiver that has never been built as a Rifle can be constructed as a Pistol and accordance with NYS Law will need to have a P-12 completed by the NY Licensed Dealer transferring and be amended to the owners NYS Handgun Licenses (aka Pistol Permit)
A Rifle with a Barrel less than 16" and an overall length of 26" is considered a "Short Barreled Rifle" and requires a Tax Stamp and Registration. and if you add a Buttstock to a Pistol it now becomes a SBR if the Barrel is less than sixteen inches and/or overall less than 26 inches.
There is not a minimum or maximum barrel length Law for a Pistol
A stripped Frame/Receiver that has never been built as a Rifle can be constructed as a Pistol and accordance with NYS Law will need to have a P-12 completed by the NY Licensed Dealer transferring and be amended to the owners NYS Handgun Licenses (aka Pistol Permit)
And what's your point?
The whole issue with BATFE and Pistols is the "Arm Brace" being utilized as a Stock which according (at least to their interpretations) makes it a Short Barreled Rifle IAW with the National Firearms Act of 1934
There ARE manufacturers that offer SBR and other configurations to exempted agencies and those approved for and Taxed.
Thanks SW! I wish I knew the TRUTH!
Again showing you don't have any actual understanding what you are talking about here..
So im going to bow out again and actual mean it this time...
Sucks that people spew bad information on the internet and then when called out on it try and cover their bad information with trying to parrot other information they have heard from more knowledgeable people and try and pass that off as them knowing what they are talking about and trying to give credit to their bad information
Did you bother to READ the last sentence in the Specifications paragraph?
The Firearm depicted in your red circled text is ostensibly Select Fire (aka machinegun) and unless you've got a Department Letterhead authorizing the purchase and use in Law Enforcemet Duties, that purchase isn't happening.
"Only available for purchase through Federal Firearms Licensed Dealers. All LMT® firearms can also be purchased with select-fire configuration for use by qualified agencies."
Again, there are all sorts of configurations, but not all of them are Legal for non-Governmental procurement.
OP. Don't listen to people who don't know what they are talking about.. there is no such thing as "pistol parts" when talking about 99% of AR15 parts.. the only difference between a 12.5" AR SBR (rifle) and a 12.5" AR Pistol is the later doesn't have a stock on it..
Springfield Armory Inc isn't running out of parts. They are just a crappy company, always have been always will be. And the hedge all their bets on gun control succeeding, so they don't plan on wasting their time or resources with AR15 pistols because they belive (and probably hope) that ar15 pistols will no longer be a thing in a few months
Springfield Armory Inc isn't running out of parts. They are just a crappy company, always have been always will be. And the hedge all their bets on gun control succeeding, so they don't plan on wasting their time or resources with AR15 pistols because they belive (and probably hope) that ar15 pistols will no longer be a thing in a few months
Pistol parts aren’t what’s commonly used because the only part that creates a difference between a pistol and a rifle is one single part on an AR, the brace. All other parts are the exact same no matter what. I wouldn’t constitute one parts of a complete build being considered the common parts.
@FP1201 Maybe we are both trying to say the same thing and not understanding each other. And I’m not trying to sound like an jerk or anything, just so nothing can get misconstrued…as simple as you can make the next statement, what point is it exactly that your attempting to make?
The words "Pistol parts" are industry standard terms, commonly used to describe items associated with MSR's built as Handguns.
Below are eight separate, well established companies that supply these same parts utilizing the same terminology and descriptor.
There is another classification of gun we haven't spoken of and that's "OTHER" which by Federal Law defined by BATFE is neither Rifle, SBR, or Pistol, and while Legal to sell, the standing order to NYSP Troopers is to confiscate them if encountered and let the Judge decide if it's good to go or not.
BKF AR15 or LR308 (DPMS) Pistol Buffer Tube
Gorilla Pistol Tube Kit | Gorilla Machining
Melonited Gas Tube
https://palmettostatearmory.com/tacfire-pistol-length-gas-tube-w-roll-pin-silver-mar009.html
.223 Wylde, 7.5" Stainless M4 Barrel, 1:7 Twist, Pistol Length Gas System|Barrel
KAK 5.56 NATO 6.25 INCH PISTOL STAINLESS BARREL 1:5 Twist
Pistols
Bravo Company Manufacturing RECCE-11 MCMR Enhanced Light Weight 5.56 AR-15 Pistol - 11.5"
I won't bore you with Pistol Braces, that's farther down the Rabbit Hole.
Below are eight separate, well established companies that supply these same parts utilizing the same terminology and descriptor.
There is another classification of gun we haven't spoken of and that's "OTHER" which by Federal Law defined by BATFE is neither Rifle, SBR, or Pistol, and while Legal to sell, the standing order to NYSP Troopers is to confiscate them if encountered and let the Judge decide if it's good to go or not.
BKF AR15 or LR308 (DPMS) Pistol Buffer Tube
Gorilla Pistol Tube Kit | Gorilla Machining
Melonited Gas Tube
https://palmettostatearmory.com/tacfire-pistol-length-gas-tube-w-roll-pin-silver-mar009.html
.223 Wylde, 7.5" Stainless M4 Barrel, 1:7 Twist, Pistol Length Gas System|Barrel
KAK 5.56 NATO 6.25 INCH PISTOL STAINLESS BARREL 1:5 Twist
Pistols
Bravo Company Manufacturing RECCE-11 MCMR Enhanced Light Weight 5.56 AR-15 Pistol - 11.5"
I won't bore you with Pistol Braces, that's farther down the Rabbit Hole.
A barrel is a barrel is a barrel, only the legality of the finished product matters, and when you order a very short one, it's likely going to be called a "Pistol Barrel" and will need a very short gas tube typically referred to as a "pistol tube" and if you don't like the buffer tubes typically used with collapsible stocks or original Rifle Butt-stock ask for a "Pistol buffer tube".
I've no knowledge if SA is/has/did run out of Parts, wouldn't think so, but Remington (a much larger Company) cease some production lines due to not having Parts.
We have an anti-gun Administration and both levers of Congress are controlled by anti-gun Democrats, then there's the BATFE which has and is taking issue at MSR Pistols with Braces, Forced Reset Triggers, Bump-Stocks, and anything else that doesn't look like a Fudd gun, so yea, maybe they see the handwriting on the Wall telling them to stop making a firearm that's headed for trouble, maybe they don't sell, or aren't cost effective, could be the Company executives are woke....I don't know, and doubt you do either.