At least 8 gun bills Tuesday

[Blimey]

I wonder how that would work?

After a person passes the NICS, would a person then need to show proof of insurance before walking out with the new gun?

That sounds about right.

Eventually we'll need to be registered to own any of these, so we'd have a card that is checked when purchase of a gun or ammo is made, and tied to that card is information like your current insurance. If things really work out great, it could even automatically flag people who's insurance lapses, knowing that they have made at least one gun or ammo purchase since enactment of the sister law precluding the legality of disposing of their gun without registering its disposal, thus confidence is high that the person has a gun.

They will all pass handily. Cuomo will sign them immediately and hold a press conference, touting his accomplishments.

He may not, as some of these are dubious at best. The safe storage law seems patently indefensible and if it goes to SCOTUS would be struck down. In fact, it already was struck down in Heller

Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional.

States are simply ignoring the SCOTUS wholesale. But if this makes it back there, cuomo won't want a law he supported smacked down by scotus.

 

[Bob]

He may not, as some of these are dubious at best. The safe storage law seems patently indefensible and if it goes to SCOTUS would be struck down. In fact, it already was struck down in Heller.

He'll say that he stood up and did something while Trump refused because he is in the NRA's pocket. He gets to take a swipe at two of his favorite bogeymen at once. And then if/when any of the laws get smacked down by SCOTUS, he'll blame an activist court that has been packed by a right-wing radical president who doesn't care about the safety of our children.

Alinsky's rules:

1. "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people."
3. "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."
4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
8. "Keep the pressure on."
9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside."
12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

 

[Apeman]

A01715-A An act to amend the penal law, in relation to limiting educational institutions ability to authorize the possession of a weapon on school grounds

Looks like they're taking away a school districts right to protect their kids. If there's a school shooting in a district that wants armed teachers but isn't allowed to have them under state law, I'd say go after NY state for everything they have because they took away the possibility of self defense.

 

[Blimey]

A01715-A An act to amend the penal law, in relation to limiting educational institutions ability to authorize the possession of a weapon on school grounds

Looks like they're taking away a school districts right to protect their kids. If there's a school shooting in a district that wants armed teachers but isn't allowed to have them under state law, I'd say go after NY state for everything they have because they took away the possibility of self defense.

Yes, but it will be a cold day in hell before any school district of consequence in NY condones concealed carry.

If it were up to me I would nationally prohibit any of these carry bans except against hardened targets that have a reasonable level of control of what goes in and a local ability to respond (e.g. a court building, which has detectors and armed security, or an airport). These laws obviously do nothing but further soften already soft-targets by ensuring no means of resistance is available for those willing to do harm.

 

[@thewheels]

These laws obviously do nothing but further soften already soft-targets by ensuring no means of resistance is available for those willing to do harm.

Which in turn, gives us more of these laws. Brilliant. They've got this scripted better than any "reality" show.

 

[Chicken Shoot]

A01715-A An act to amend the penal law, in relation to limiting educational institutions ability to authorize the possession of a weapon on school grounds

Looks like they're taking away a school districts right to protect their kids. If there's a school shooting in a district that wants armed teachers but isn't allowed to have them under state law, I'd say go after NY state for everything they have because they took away the possibility of self defense.

This is the one that can also be used to BAN all shooting sports in schools. This is not only a blatant acknowledgement that this tyrannical, unconstitutional NYS govt has NO care for the safety of the schools in mind, but that they are trying to set the stage for another school shooting which they will carry out themselves as always. All anti-gun bills and laws are 100% unconstitutional and as such, should not be followed nor enforced.

 

[Chicken Shoot]

Who do you report it to if the cops stole them?

..... patriots. That's all ... report it to the patriots. ( Not the football team because they suck as bad as NY and MA!)

 

[Deplorable Me]

There is no way to comply with that. Who has liability insurance for gun ownership? Not to mention completely unconstitutional on its face. These people are spiteful fucking morons!

It'll be sold by a government sponsored monopoly that contributes to the left's election campaigns.

The Sheriff of Nottingham is alive and well in NY.

 

[carpediem]

The Sheriff of Nottingham is alive and well in NY.

I believe you mean the Sheriff of Nothingham!

 

[Camaro45th]

S114 actually is a good thing. Go figure. The rest are garbage.

It’s so they can track it easier.

 

[STS556]

I could see everyone complying with the safe storage law.

What do these morons in Albany think? That if someone breaks into our house, we will tell the intruder to wait a munute while I go to the safe and get my gun? I don’t see that happening.

And considering there have been no exclusive safe act arrests since its inception, I don’t see these laws being enforced either. They will tack these onto something else like they do with safe act violations.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I could see everyone complying with the safe storage law.

What do these morons in Albany think? That if someone breaks into our house, we will tell the intruder to wait a munute while I go to the safe and get my gun? I don’t see that happening.

And considering there have been no exclusive safe act arrests since its inception, I don’t see these laws being enforced either. They will tack these onto something else like they do with safe act violations.

Did I read it wrong or does the safe storage act pertain to gun owners with children under 16 or in the event something happens to a child because of a gun left out while in the home of a gun owner and not that all guns need to be locked up 100% of the time?

 

[Devildog9999]

Did I read it wrong or does the safe storage act pertain to gun owners with children under 16 or in the event something happens to a child because of a gun left out while in the home of a gun owner and not that all guns need to be locked up 100% of the time?

I saw that as well - My understanding is that it is mandated only if there are mentally unstable persons in the home, or children under 16.

 

[Camaro45th]

There are very few “good” ones from what I saw. One of which I noticed wanted to repeal the safe act from everywhere in the state except NYC.

 

[Catskillkid]

Did I read it wrong or does the safe storage act pertain to gun owners with children under 16 or in the event something happens to a child because of a gun left out while in the home of a gun owner and not that all guns need to be locked up 100% of the time?

That's the way I read it too. Applies only to those who have children in their household (forgot if it was under 16 or 18). For the record, on my drives in the Hudson Valley I've been seeing a lot of billboards form the ad council about safe storage of firearms. They're always sensationalist with the "fact" that x number of kids die a day because mommy and daddy hid a gun in a closet (and the underlying implication is that owning a gun makes you a bad parent). It's almost as if someone, somewhere was pushing an agenda or something. I mean the timing is curious and all.

 

[fnfalguy]

That’s ok. I have identified several safe spaces throughout my house for my guns to retreat to when they feel triggered. All good here...

 

[STS556]

The safe storage law does pertain to someone if they have children but proper firearm education for the child, if the child even knows about the gun, is essential.

 

[av8r]

FUAC

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Just got an email alert. So it looks like the Assembly red flag bill passed but has been substituted with the Senate version. ???

 

[GTN]

Did I read it wrong or does the safe storage act pertain to gun owners with children under 16 or in the event something happens to a child because of a gun left out while in the home of a gun owner and not that all guns need to be locked up 100% of the time?

It seems like I read somewhere that with the safe storage the ammo can’t be in the same safe. Is that correct or am I just making shit up again?

 

[Shadow2]

It seems like I read somewhere that with the safe storage the ammo can’t be in the same safe. Is that correct or am I just making shit up again?

Here in Westchester ammo is to be stored separately, guns locked, all the useless non functional BS laws are radiating from the city out.

Simple solution don't follow any of them and put money away for court challenge.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

It seems like I read somewhere that with the safe storage the ammo can’t be in the same safe. Is that correct or am I just making shit up again?

Not sure. I don't have enough room in my safe to store ammo anyway. I wouldn't put ammo in my gun safe even if I did. It's still bullshit if they are trying to make that illegal though.

 

[Patriot]

Gaughran, NY Senate Majority Passes Sweeping Anti-Gun Violence Legislation

• S.2451 (Extreme Risk Protection Orders) allows law enforcement officials, family and household members and certain school officials to seek a court order requiring a person likely to harm themselves or others to relinquish any firearms in their possession.

• S.2374 (Effective Background Check Act) establishes an extension of time up to thirty calendar days for national in-state background checks.

• S.2448 (Bump Stock Ban) prohibits the possession of a device that accelerates the rate of fire of a firearm.

• S.101A (Preventing School Districts from Allowing Teachers to be Armed) prevents K-12 schools from authorizing anyone other than a security officer, school resource officer, or law enforcement officer to carry a firearm on school grounds.

• S.2449 (Gun Buy Backs) directs the State Police to devise regulations for gun buyback programs so that all buyback programs across the state are operated consistently with uniform best practices.

• S.2438 (Out of State Mental Health Records) will require out-of-state applicants for gun permits to allow New York permitting authorities to review out-of-state mental health records.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Gaughran, NY Senate Majority Passes Sweeping Anti-Gun Violence Legislation

• S.2451 (Extreme Risk Protection Orders) allows law enforcement officials, family and household members and certain school officials to seek a court order requiring a person likely to harm themselves or others to relinquish any firearms in their possession.

• S.2374 (Effective Background Check Act) establishes an extension of time up to thirty calendar days for national in-state background checks.

• S.2448 (Bump Stock Ban) prohibits the possession of a device that accelerates the rate of fire of a firearm.

• S.101A (Preventing School Districts from Allowing Teachers to be Armed) prevents K-12 schools from authorizing anyone other than a security officer, school resource officer, or law enforcement officer to carry a firearm on school grounds.

• S.2449 (Gun Buy Backs) directs the State Police to devise regulations for gun buyback programs so that all buyback programs across the state are operated consistently with uniform best practices.

• S.2438 (Out of State Mental Health Records) will require out-of-state applicants for gun permits to allow New York permitting authorities to review out-of-state mental health records.

No surprise there.

 

[ProgSpear]

This is the face of unrestricted lawfare from the dems. The time may come when they regret their rash choices.

 

[BDinPutnam]

1. I am still disgusted that we protect buildings with judges in them more strenuously than we protect buildings with children in them.

2. I still don't understand what these fuckholes think is going to happen during the 27 days after the feds come up blank during the (their) 3 day wait for a NICS delay.

 

[carpediem]

This is the face of unrestricted lawfare from the dems. The time may come when they regret their rash choices.

These people regret nothing because they will simply deny supporting any of it should there ever be a backlash. This being mentally enslaved citizen central, NY, we know that will never happen.

 

[STS556]

All I gotta say is FUNYSenate. They are all nothing but a bunch communist tyrants and traitors to the Constitution that should rot in hell.

I hope this post shows up on a social media background check the next time I buy a gun so they know what I think of them.

 

[Shadow rider]

good bye nerf guns .. spring power

My water pistol has a spring powered trigger...

 

[Saltwater60]

I hate these extreme risk protection orders. I won’t talk guns now with anyone I don’t know. There are some crazies out there that would say anything to have people stripped of thier gun rights.

The bump stock ban is way too broad as well.

I hate to even say this, but if this is all they do I’m pretty happy with it. I’m sure there will be more and worse coming though.any new guns laws passed are bad.