gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Why would you 3D print a brace? You may as well just get a real stock at that point.
ATF and Pistol Braces part 2..
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Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
because you could .. and defeat there RULES ... then they would have to ban Velcro and straps lol ..
Or maybe there rules don't apply anymore.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Wouldn't you be "defeating the rules" by getting an actual stock? I just don't see why you would go through the trouble of printing an inferior brace rather than just getting a stock. The brace would be just as illegal as a stock on a short barrel rifle with no stamp. It would be akin to printing out a bump stock when you could just drill the third hole. If you're gonna break the law do it right.
maverick52
.223 Rem
so if this goes into affect tomorrow...how will this be enforced? What does that mean for “others”?
Are they going to do the same as they did with p80’s?
Are they going to do the same as they did with p80’s?
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
Those will soon be banned too, the printer.
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
Since a brace is going to be considered a stock, “Others” will be SBR according to the law.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
they tried and failed .. ban the printer .. ban the cnc machine .. there goes the auto industry .
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
A $200 3D printer and unregulated parts are all that stands between people and a fully functional gun. As it should be.
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
Haha printer and cnc machine to brrrt
maverick52
.223 Rem
From what I’m reading it will go for a 14 day commentary before any law is passed. Anything could happen during that time. But it doesn’t look good. I think the ATF is just getting started. When Biden is inaugurated it’s going to be gangbusters.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Don't care.
ATF to Institute Rulemaking/Guidance Regarding Stabilizing Braces and Require Registration of Currently Owned Braces
In a 16 page draft copy of proposed rulemaking/guidance specifying “Objective Factors for Classifying Stablizing Braces”, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) h…blog.princelaw.com
maverick52
.223 Rem
BREAKING: ATF to Issue Guidance on “Stabilizing Braces”
FPC believes that the NFA is an unconstitutional infringement of the People’s rights, that the ATF should be abolished, and that any policy or practice enforcing the Act is unconstitutional and immoral.
www.firearmspolicy.org
this article has a good breakdown
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Oh well.
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
This is a serious matter. Obviously banning braces will reduce crime by at least 50%. /s
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
"Importantly, the draft document recognizes that most people with braced firearms have acted in good faith. It suggests that the agency seeks to establish a procedure by which people who already have firearms that may fall under the purview of the NFA, and who wish to take advantage of registering them as NFA firearms to obtain the legal protections of such, may potentially do so without payment of the associated tax."BREAKING: ATF to Issue Guidance on “Stabilizing Braces”
FPC believes that the NFA is an unconstitutional infringement of the People’s rights, that the ATF should be abolished, and that any policy or practice enforcing the Act is unconstitutional and immoral.
this article has a good breakdown
Yeah, sure, where do I sign up, if I had one that is.
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
Hmm how can one obtain these free tax stamp. Asking for a friend and Cuomo.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
ATF Please add in all this for Voting too
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
Once the Dems control everything sure.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Realistically, if the ATF determines something is non-compliant, what happens?
It sounds like the most likely scenario, assuming they don't back down, is they give a grace period to convert or register?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
What does it mean for my AR pistol. The hardware kit came with a brace, I tried it and didn't like it, so it sits in a box on a shelf now.
I didn't notice a significant benefit over a bare buffer tube.
Honestly if I was going to "improve" on the bare buffer tube it'd get a cheek riser, not a wanna be stock.
From a legal perspective, whatever they say goes. It’s up to the people to comply or not and to know the ramifications of their decisions.
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libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
So the option is basically convert ASAP from a legal perspective, as soon as told otherwise?
Is there any comparable determination to reference for procedure?
Everything right now is still tentative and has not been officially put into effect. If anything does become enforceable by the ATF, there will have to be some sort of guidelines to know what you are supposed to adhere by, Though in true ATF fashion it will most likely be vague and need clarification on numerous occasions.
And just how are they "legally protected"?
They take a look at the list of those that registered to be "legally protected", then they "legally" take them. By force if necessary.
They keep infringing, and we keep bending over to take it. at this point in time, I don't believe there is a way to take back those rights without bloodshed.
seezur
.40 S&W
I mean... what’s the point? You can comply. A decent number of us have, at some point. But they’ll never stop. It’ll keep getting more and more restrictive and they will go after all of us eventually. They will keep fucking people whose greatest “crime” was speeding a decade ago. At the same time, Tyrone will continue to blast cops and rival gang members in the city and go to prison, same as it ever was.
They are going to inevitably try to make every decent, gun owning American a criminal. There is no need to rise up or take a stand. They are already declaring you an enemy and are willing to rob you of your family, job and future. It’s both terrifying and kind of freeing. Trying to be a good citizens and follow these laws has done nothing for us. When we are all criminals by virtue of owning a gun, it’ll be a lot simpler. Eventually our options (and when I say our I mean America’s) will be comply, go to prison for a decade and share a bunk with Tyrone, or “respond“ to them as the criminal outlaws they seem to want to classify us as.
They are going to inevitably try to make every decent, gun owning American a criminal. There is no need to rise up or take a stand. They are already declaring you an enemy and are willing to rob you of your family, job and future. It’s both terrifying and kind of freeing. Trying to be a good citizens and follow these laws has done nothing for us. When we are all criminals by virtue of owning a gun, it’ll be a lot simpler. Eventually our options (and when I say our I mean America’s) will be comply, go to prison for a decade and share a bunk with Tyrone, or “respond“ to them as the criminal outlaws they seem to want to classify us as.
Cavalry
.308 Win
A really good copy of the shockwave has been out for awhile. But at that point like others have mentioned its pointless, put on a stock.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Forgive me, but is the Shockwave blade on the chopping block? I thought for the moment anyway, ATF was going after specific braces.
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
A dude said a really important statement “People are too comfortable in their lives to risk dying over a piece of plastic. Every new infringement is never going to be "the right one" or the "one to make us rise up." People will say they will not comply, but in the end, at the risk of facing federal prison, losing their jobs, their spouse, kids, home, income, or even their life, they will, and when the next infringement comes around, they will say they will not comply again, with their newly compliant rifles, and the cycle will repeat. The fight for gun rights will never reach the ammo box, as we will never move or get past the ballot box.”
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
Biden Administration (read: Anti-American, totalitarian, Deep State money men): "Challenge accepted. We'll regulate ALL firearm parts. By the time we're done, you'll need to be fingerprinted and pay for a permit just to add grip tape to a pistol."