ATF arbitrarily reclassified some pistols as SBR

[Edwardteach72]

Looks like back in August (the 3rd) the company Q received a cease and desist letter from the ATF on the sales of their "Honey Badger" pistols (also named was their sugar weasel and fix pistols)

The ATF arbitrarily reclassified them as SBR fun the previous "pistol" clarification

 

[SomeSoldier]

This is crap, just like every other firearms law.

Correction: its worse, this wasn't even a law, just some asshole sitting in an office deciding that you don't have rights anymore.

 

[Marine Cpl]

What makes the honey badger different from other A.R. pistols?

 

[BDinPutnam]

I see how much Trump gives a flying fuck about the 2A vote.

Again.

 

[Edwardteach72]

What makes the honey badger different from other A.R. pistols?

Nothing.. at first I was thinking they were going after the PDW style arm brace (DD was using the same design maybe different company but same style)

But the sugar weasel uses an SBA3 brace like most every other Pistol .


So honestly sounds like a cash grab for the ATF/IRS as Q is a smaller boutique company with limited resources to fight as hard

 

[Edwardteach72]

And correction (I removed this part as I misread what my buddy told me) DD did NOT get the same letter

Q is the only company who has currently received this letter

 

[Edwardteach72]

 

[Defilade]

And the ATF is who now?

 

[Edwardteach72]

 

[BDinPutnam]

And the ATF is who now?

That would be the Executive Branch agency controlled by POTUS who, like many of said agencies, write rules and regulations which act as federal "laws" in the absence of the Legislative Branch doing their fucking job.

Or, in the case of bumpstocks, actually *contravening* federal law via "interpretations"- as explicitly directed by POTUS.

 

[Defilade]

That would be the Executive Branch agency controlled by POTUS who, like many of said agencies, write rules and regulations which act as federal "laws" in the absence of the Legislative Branch doing their fucking job.

Or, in the case of bumpstocks, actually *contravening* federal law via "interpretations"- as explicitly directed by POTUS.

Exactly right!

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[Acer-m14]

didnt see this thread and made a post in firearms news with a vid on this from gun n gadgets .

ATF at it again . .. Rules Honey Badger Pistol Is A SBR And Violates NFA .. you know the Pistol Brace ..

nygunforum.com

 

[Acer-m14]

so what the hell is this gun .. a pistol or SBR and its black powder too ... ATF .. Another Tyrant Foundation

 

[misunderestimated]

I am not falmilur with this gun, BUT truthfully is it on the razors edge like the new tac13 and other sawed off shot guns flirting with trouble and the classifications .I am not saying its correct what they done I am just curious is this something we seen coming and like the small shot guns we were waiting for them to take a stance

 

[Edwardteach72]

I am not falmilur with this gun, BUT truthfully is it on the razors edge like the new tac13 and other sawed off shot guns flirting with trouble and the classifications .I am not saying its correct what they done I am just curious is this something we seen coming and like the small shot guns we were waiting for them to take a stance

Its a pistol.... not a "firearm" like the Remington or Messner.


These are the 3 Pistols by Q that the AT F has now said are short barrel rifles (in order, The Honey Badger, Sugar Weasel, Fix Mini pistol)









But at the same time something like the following pistols are still classified as pistols (as of this post that is and these are just examples with countles other companies andv versions on the market)

Daniel Defense DDM4 PDW Pistol



BCM RECCE-11 QRF PISTOL w/ SBA3 Brace




Black Collar Arms "Pork Sword"

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Man, isn't that my luck. Just before I get to a state where I can build one of these without a stupid pistol permit, the ATF goes and changes their definitions again. I was planning to use a Shockwave Blade.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

It feels like this is to test the waters and see the outrage. I smell yet another flip flop decision on the braces coming.

 

[BDinPutnam]

It feels like this is to test the waters and see the outrage. I smell yet another flip flop decision on the braces coming.

I see it as "see what shit we can get away with while everyone is distracted."

I also see it (and the bumpstock thing) as a dry run for if the Dems take the house and senate but not the white house and pass a national AR registration. Because Trumpy will sign that shit if they put it on his desk.

 

[spat]

I see it as "see what shit we can get away with while everyone is distracted."

I also see it (and the bumpstock thing) as a dry run for if the Dems take the house and senate but not the white house and pass a national AR registration. Because Trumpy will sign that shit if they put it on his desk.

I would bet more like internal politics.

The winds shifted *inside* that branch and their priorities shifted to match.

Could be as simple as the old guy who set the tone one way got promoted and the new guy has a different opinion.

 

[Defilade]

ATF opinions are not laws.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Man, isn't that my luck. Just before I get to a state where I can build one of these without a stupid pistol permit, the ATF goes and changes their definitions again. I was planning to use a Shockwave Blade.

But its currently only they Honey Badger (and maybe the sugar weasel/mini flex)

 

[Edwardteach72]

Honestly I see it as a cash grab.. since Q I guess is/would be responsible for $400 more per unit sold im taxes and what not if the gun was classified as a SBR instead of a pistol.

Also Q being such a small company they have less resources to fight off the ATF/IRS, they would be an easy target

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Also Q being such a small company they have less resources to fight off the ATF/IRS, they would be an easy target

This is the reason I feel like it's testing the waters. This can stay more out of the public eye if it doesn't make it to the courts.

 

[BDinPutnam]

ATF opinions are not laws.

I haven't the time or financial resources to test this theory in court, do you?

 

[Edwardteach72]

This is the reason I feel like it's testing the waters. This can stay more out of the public eye if it doesn't make it to the courts.

Its not staying out of the courts..

Fuck even the NRA has jumped on to help Q, so has FPC








We all know how I feel about the NRA, but they didn't bat an eye after they convinced the Don to force the ATF to ban bump stocks.. is this them just trying to save face? Probably but but FPC is also on the situation.

Along with those two SB Tactical (the one who makes the proprietary brace on the honey badger for Q and the SBA3 used for the sugar weasel) is already on the offensive as well and spreading the word..

Aka the biggest name in braces is spreading the word... there is no way this is going down quietly

 

[Edwardteach72]

Not surprising

GOA is also tossing their hat in the ring to rally support

 

[ArmedCorgi]

But its currently only they Honey Badger (and maybe the sugar weasel/mini flex)

I get that, but interestingly enough KAK Industries links to their ATF approval letter for their Shockwave blade are 404. SHOCK
Not sure if that is related or just coincidence.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I get that, but interestingly enough KAK Industries links to their ATF approval letter for their Shockwave blade are 404. SHOCK
Not sure if that is related or just coincidence.

Oh fun

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I feel like this issue is much more of an issue for gun owners than the bumpstock. This probably sent ripples through the whole ar pistol industry and I don't think it will be taken lying down.