Ayoob coming to Rochester

[Marine Cpl]

The weak hand palm is free to contact the grip. Thumbs aren't that big, and hands are free to conform and flex.

You say this thumb position makes the grip outdated. Most competitive shooters gloss over thumb position in their instruction. Some advocate thumbs forward to assist in pointing the gun. Nobody says thumbs forward aids in grip or recoil management. All advocate a high grip, maximizing the amount of skin on the grip. Thumbs position is of minimal, if any, consequence. Almost everybody relevant today is teaching essentially the same grip, with the biggest difference being the amount of "squeeze" applied - and that's all over the place from firm to tight.

If you really cannot see how the thumbs prevent Full Contact compared to both thumbs forwards, I really do not know what to tell you. The pictures show it plain as day and if you grabbed your own gun, you will see how putting a thumb under a palm creates a space that is now not being supported.

You are defending this guy like he’s some family member of yours. There are other issues he teaches that are outdated or just plain wrong or just fear mongering as well.

 

[kev74]

If you really cannot see how the thumbs prevent Full Contact compared to both thumbs forwards, I really do not know what to tell you. The pictures show it plain as day and if you grabbed your own gun, you will see how putting a thumb under a palm creates a space that is now not being supported.

You are defending this guy like he’s some family member of yours. There are other issues he teaches that are outdated or just plain wrong or just fear mongering as well.

Please don't give uncle Mas a hard time. He's getting pretty old.

Its a trade off between more strong hand controlling the gun or more weak hand. I'm not convinced one is better than the other, and tend to switch between the two depending on what I'm shooting more of - pistol or revolver. I also have some pistols - particularly .22s - that don't like a high thumb grip. Any drag on the slide makes them misfire.

The grip Ayoob teaches is valid and works. Saying its outdated is wrong.

 

[Pale Rider]

"Anyone who advocates using this grip is outdated."

I would have to compare your shot group to his in order to decide who is outdated.

 

[Marine Cpl]

"Anyone who advocates using this grip is outdated."

I would have to compare your shot group to his in order to decide who is outdated.

That doesn’t mean the crush grip is superior. That’s like saying that shooting one handed is superior because someone can shoot better groups one handed than another using a proper grip.

It’s a proven fact that the more real estate you have on the grip, the less the gun moves around after recoil. Currently the 2 thumbs forward provides the maximum amount of real estate on the grip. The crush grip limits the amount of actual flesh from your off hand due to the thumb creating a gap preventing the meaty part of your off hand contacting the grip fully.

 

[spat]

The ideal form of the grip is going to vary from shooter to shooter, and gun to gun.

The right grip for someone with large strong hands on an LCP II is not going to be the same as someone with small weak hands on a desert eagle.

There are certainly some generally accepted principles, but strength, and size of both the shooter and the firearm make a difference.

 

[Podmonkey]

@Ma, who cares? Shoot your pistol tgumbs forward and everyone else they way they want. It doesn't matter to you does it? Is someone fumbles their gun in a fight, gets shot in the face and dies horribly what does that matter to you? Other people don't matter, fuck em.