Banning firearms in an apartment complex

[Airborneguy]

We’re moving to either PA, WV or ME when I retire. I can leave in a little over a year, but I think I will stay 11-12 more. My plan is to keep this townhouse for the kids and the come back and forth to, but to spend most of my time wherever I move.

I’m taking her to Maine in July. I’m sure she will fall in love.

 

[masterswimmer]

Back on topic....

A condominium association in NY is required to submit a prospectus to the NYS attorney general. Without approval the condo assn could not have formed in the first place.

Does the firearm restriction exist in the condo prospectus? Or did the HOA establish it in their monthly meetings post prospectus?

Either way we all know that concealed means concealed. Personally, I wouldn't care less about their rule and my LEGAL firearms.

 

[Nanook145]

I’m stuck in an HOA. The issue I have with them is that they won’t allow snakes. They’ll allow barking dogs, noisy birds, and don’t seem to mind feral cats everywhere. Yet, an animal in my home that makes no noise, has not even the 10th of the maintenance of a house cat, and cannot kill or is interested in anything other than mice... is somehow a problem. My cat bites me daily. You know how many times my snakes have bitten me? Zero.

Their justification is that the snake could get into the walls and cause problems. Apparently idiot owners have neglected their snakes and the snake has gotten loose. I don’t see why they don’t just make people photograph their animals and charge them if it gets into the wall.

Either way, those tyrants can fuck off. I’ve had my snakes before the rule, so they grandfathered me in. They should be spending their time cracking down on the people feeding the feral cats, which is why we have a feral cat problem.

Not to throw this thread off topic........but have you ever gone to a reptile show in this state and compared it to the selection of a show in PA? It is depressing. All large pythons, venomous snakes, and large lizards have been outlawed due to nothing but pure ignorance on behalf of lawmakers. No surprise considering that they are the same people pushing our state's gun laws. It is shame considering how much the hobby has expanded over the past decade with the creation of many new morphs and breeds.

 

[Acer-m14]

here is what your friend needs to do ..

find in any writing where he signed of the rules of no firearms ..

if yes ... then hire a security team and send the bill to the HOA ..
or .. find a lawyer to help him make the HOA responsible for his and his family's life or any injury
from someone using a firearm or any weapon against them while on the property of the complex .. forks and spoons included ..

if no .. FUAC them

 

[libertysnake]

Regardless, an HOA cannot kick you out of your own house. All they could do is fine you and beg you not to do it again.

Exactly. They cannot even enter your home without your permission -- so they're basically at your will to enter your home anyway. As long as you pay your fees and any fines, they have no right to enter your home. It would be considered criminal trespass.

 

[libertysnake]

Not to throw this thread off topic........but have you ever gone to a reptile show in this state and compared it to the selection of a show in PA? It is depressing. All large pythons, venomous snakes, and large lizards have been outlawed due to nothing but pure ignorance on behalf of lawmakers. No surprise considering that they are the same people pushing our state's gun laws. It is shame considering how much the hobby has expanded over the past decade with the creation of many new morphs and breeds.

I don't have the room, or the confidence in my ability to build a strong enough cage to keep a larger snake right now.

That being said, if I did have the room, I'd get something like a red tailed boa. Retics have a nasty temperament. Burms have a good temperament, but I have no experience with extremely large snakes like that.

Right now I mostly stick to colubrid family snakes. Mostly because their humidity requirements are very reasonable, their size is reasonable, and their temperament is generally good as well. Most people forget that ball pythons require a lot more humidity management then, say, a corn snake.

In fact, the corn I have, honestly just prefers to be at room temperature. He has a 82.5 degree heat pad that he never uses. He always just hangs out around 70-75. He's got a proportional thermostat hook up, so the temps barely swing. Either way, he always gives me perfect sheds, never refused a meal or barfed either.

Anyway, that's my snake two cents.

 

[masterswimmer]

Exactly. They cannot even enter your home without your permission -- so they're basically at your will to enter your home anyway. As long as you pay your fees and any fines, they have no right to enter your home. It would be considered criminal trespass.

Even if you don't pay the fines they can't enter your home. They can and most likely will slap you with a lien though. The fines will continue to accrue and when you sell your condo you will be responsible for satisfying the lien, which could amount to a LOT of money (depending on how much the fines are and how long you accrue them).

 

[VietnamEraVet]

That's a good metric to go by.

I've been known to pee my initials in the snow next to the front porch steps just before my buds come over.
Boy does that piss the wife off! LOL

‘‘Tis better to be pissed off than pissed on...”

 

[nortatoga]

Understandable.
It is a dream of mine to one day have my own house on my own property out by itself somewhere. My metric would be that it has to be secluded enough that I could piss off the front porch at any given hour of the day and not raise a ruckus.

I have just that!

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

Hoa's suck for the most part from what I hear about them. My father and I had plans to fix up his 85 rx-7 but since it was a long expensive project and the hoa was on our ass because "can't have a vehicle in your driveway with no registration." he ended up selling it.

 

[Bigfoot]

I'm a legal and responsible gun owner, so no matter what the situation HOA or not, nobody could ever make me not keep my guns in my place of residence... That's not right in any way shape or form. One way or another my guns would be with me that's for sure.

This isn't a judgment thing or anything like that on my part. But I don't understand how anyone could spend their hard earned money to purchase a place that someone else or a board of people can dictate what one can or cannot do on their own property or to their own dwelling.

A HOA environment would be a disaster of epic proportions for me personally. Now I take pride in my property and it looks nice from the road. But behind my house is my playground.

Stack of bails for archery, burn barrel, dog kennel, barking dogs, 2 story shelter for my at one time semi feral cat, the occasional deer hanging from the tree, snowmobile trailer, car hauler, 2 old pickup trucks, Dirt bikes in the summer, sleds in the winter, one of the dirt bikes is an older 2 stroke and is LOUD, one of the sleds has a can on it and is LOUD, the occasional back yard party, the sound of air tools coming out of the garage on almost a daily basis, used to have either a wrecker or the flatbed parked in my driveway, etc... just saying.

With all of that being said, my next door neighbor's still like me. There is quite a bit of distance between our houses, but I know that I can still be somewhat of a pain in their ass at times.

So I make it up to them by plowing their driveways for free in the winter. I help them if need be keep their riding mowers in good running order for free in the summer. Share my fresh vegetables out of the garden. And the next door neighbor's on one side of me that don't have much money, I do all of their auto repairs (labor) for free. That one right there is a little much but they are a really, really, nice older couple. I make it so that my next door neighbors benefit somewhat from my annoying lifestyle and it seems to work well.

Country living is where it's at IMHO.

If one is living in a populated area, maybe there are benefits to living in a HOA situation.
There must be, it seems like plenty of people do it.
What would those benefits be? ... I am genuinely curious... All that I know about HOA living is the negative stuff that I read.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

I'm a legal and responsible gun owner, so no matter what the situation HOA or not, nobody could ever make me not keep my guns in my place of residence... That's not right in any way shape or form. One way or another my guns would be with me that's for sure.

This isn't a judgment thing or anything like that on my part. But I don't understand how anyone could spend their hard earned money to purchase a place that someone else or a board of people can dictate what one can or cannot do on their own property or to their own dwelling.

A HOA environment would be a disaster of epic proportions for me personally. Now I take pride in my property and it looks nice from the road. But behind my house is my playground.

Stack of bails for archery, burn barrel, dog kennel, barking dogs, 2 story shelter for my at one time semi feral cat, the occasional deer hanging from the tree, snowmobile trailer, car hauler, 2 old pickup trucks, Dirt bikes in the summer, sleds in the winter, one of the dirt bikes is an older 2 stroke and is LOUD, one of the sleds has a can on it and is LOUD, the occasional back yard party, the sound of air tools coming out of the garage on almost a daily basis, used to have either a wrecker or the flatbed parked in my driveway, etc... just saying.

With all of that being said, my next door neighbor's still like me. There is quite a bit of distance between our houses, but I know that I can still be somewhat of a pain in their ass at times.

So I make it up to them by plowing their driveways for free in the winter. I help keep their riding mowers in good running order for free in the summer. Share my fresh vegetables out of the garden. And the next door neighbor's on one side of me that doesn't have much money, I do all of their auto repairs (labor) for free. That one right there is a little much but they are a really, really, nice older couple. I make it so that my next door neighbors benefit somewhat from my annoying lifestyle and it seems to work well.

Country living is where it's at IMHO.

If one is living in a populated area, maybe there are benefits to living in a HOA situation.
There must be, it seems like plenty of people do it.
What would those benefits be? ... I am genuinely curious... All that I know about HOA living is the negative stuff that I read.

They are supposed to keep the curb appeal of the neighborhood up and thus resale value up. In the end they just nit pick little things and make people hate them.

People also say, "they keep people from having yards full of garbage" I feel like being respectful to your neighbors can accomplish the same goal. Maybe not as forcefully as an hoa but still possible.

Imo hoa's are showing up in the news more because people don't want to talk to their neighbors and would rather some other agency deal with them doing things they don't like but that aren't illegal.

Growing up in suburbia I used to talk to my neighbors all the time even as a kid. Now that same neighborhood only a few people still talk to each other.

 

[Bigfoot]

They are supposed to keep the curb appeal of the neighborhood up and thus resale value up. In the end they just nit pick little things and make people hate them.

People also say, "they keep people from having yards full of garbage" I feel like being respectful to your neighbors can accomplish the same goal. Maybe not as forcefully as an hoa but still possible.

Imo hoa's are showing up in the news more because people don't want to talk to their neighbors and would rather some other agency deal with them doing things they don't like but that aren't illegal.

Growing up in suburbia I used to talk to my neighbors all the time even as a kid. Now that same neighborhood only a few people still talk to each other.

Thanks for the response... I read about some HOA telling people that they cannot display their flags, or it has to be done in a certain way and those sort of things. Maybe I have read about the worst case scenarios, I don't know. But it sounds like a awful way to live and a bad investment regardless of keeping the resale value up... But that's just me.

Sometimes I have pushed it to far with my ways and my next door neighbors just let me know in a respectful way.
They know that they don't have to get all nasty... Just let me know there is a problem and I will correct that problem.
Good communication and respect for one another can go a long ways.

It's bad when someone is told that they can't keep their guns in their own home.
It's probably easy enough to get around, but it is still no way to live IMO.

 

[MothMan]

@Bigfoot, Hey do you want another neighbor??

 

[Marine Cpl]

Some HOA's are good and some are bad. There is no mention of any liberal nonsense in mine. In fact, there probably never will be being that 3 local cops live in mine. As with anything, it depends on the location and the demographics of where you live.

All you guys live in an HOA where you cannot have AW's, SBR's, and the like. It's up to you to abide by the rules or not. It's called NYS. You all pay your dues on time too.

 

[Bigfoot]

@Bigfoot, Hey do you want another neighbor??

Sure, going by your avatar we would probably get along just fine.
I can be kind of noisy at times though... I live my life to the fullest and like to have fun.

Like I said in a previous post. I make sure that my lifestyle benefits my next door neighbors in some way.
Therefore they cut me a little slack. LOL

Damn that sled is loud... Meh, but he plows are driveway for free to make up for it... sort of thing.

 

[Bigfoot]

Some HOA's are good and some are bad. There is no mention of any liberal nonsense in mine. In fact, there probably never will be being that 3 local cops live in mine. As with anything, it depends on the location and the demographics of where you live.

Like I said before, I might just be reading about the worst case scenarios.

Location, location, location... Soooo important... That's why I have always lived in farm country.
A friend of mine lives in a apartment complex. His neighbors on one side are noisy and the problem never gets resolved.
I swear sometimes I can see the stress on his face from it all.

Quality of life is very important to me.
So now I have to somehow convince the wife for us to move back to SC.
Because Cuomo isn't doing me any favors when it comes to my quality of life. That's for sure.

 

[GOYABEAN]

I'm a legal and responsible gun owner, so no matter what the situation HOA or not, nobody could ever make me not keep my guns in my place of residence... That's not right in any way shape or form. One way or another my guns would be with me that's for sure.

This isn't a judgment thing or anything like that on my part. But I don't understand how anyone could spend their hard earned money to purchase a place that someone else or a board of people can dictate what one can or cannot do on their own property or to their own dwelling.

A HOA environment would be a disaster of epic proportions for me personally. Now I take pride in my property and it looks nice from the road. But behind my house is my playground.

Stack of bails for archery, burn barrel, dog kennel, barking dogs, 2 story shelter for my at one time semi feral cat, the occasional deer hanging from the tree, snowmobile trailer, car hauler, 2 old pickup trucks, Dirt bikes in the summer, sleds in the winter, one of the dirt bikes is an older 2 stroke and is LOUD, one of the sleds has a can on it and is LOUD, the occasional back yard party, the sound of air tools coming out of the garage on almost a daily basis, used to have either a wrecker or the flatbed parked in my driveway, etc... just saying.

With all of that being said, my next door neighbor's still like me. There is quite a bit of distance between our houses, but I know that I can still be somewhat of a pain in their ass at times.

So I make it up to them by plowing their driveways for free in the winter. I help them if need be keep their riding mowers in good running order for free in the summer. Share my fresh vegetables out of the garden. And the next door neighbor's on one side of me that don't have much money, I do all of their auto repairs (labor) for free. That one right there is a little much but they are a really, really, nice older couple. I make it so that my next door neighbors benefit somewhat from my annoying lifestyle and it seems to work well.

Country living is where it's at IMHO.

If one is living in a populated area, maybe there are benefits to living in a HOA situation.
There must be, it seems like plenty of people do it.
What would those benefits be? ... I am genuinely curious... All that I know about HOA living is the negative stuff that I read.

what no airplanes or boats

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

Some HOA's are good and some are bad. There is no mention of any liberal nonsense in mine. In fact, there probably never will be being that 3 local cops live in mine. As with anything, it depends on the location and the demographics of where you live.

All you guys live in an HOA where you cannot have AW's, SBR's, and the like. It's up to you to abide by the rules or not. It's called NYS. You all pay your dues on time too.

And those are some reasons why I am saving money to move out of this state.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Suburban life has conveniences like having shopping, eatery’s, and other businesses relatively close to you. No driving 25 miles every time to shop.

That said, when neighbors are too close, it sucks. I want my space.

Apartments are the worst, and condo’s aren’t far behind. Arguments thru thin walls; smells; asshole neighbors; and lack of parking are typical problems.

Condo HOA’s can be obnoxious pricks. Many want the exteriors to look like you live in perfect little homes. Fuck that. Restrictions about putting out garbage cans before dark; planting flowers here but not there; windows must be decorated just so; no overnight visitors and their cars on the property. And other little BS.

No thanks.

 

[Bigfoot]

what no airplanes or boats

Nope, I only have so much money... LOL
Real quick, my cousin back in SC somehow got a small plane and figured that he could teach himself how to fly.
Well he took off from a farm field and ran right into some power lines. LOL
Man did he get into a boat load of trouble with that one.

The craziness runs in my family. LOL
Wild eyed country boys.

What does this have to do with thread? Well nothing... Sorry OP.
I'm having fun but I really need to get going to the shop.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Nope, I only have so much money... LOL
Real quick, my cousin in back in SC somehow got a small plane and figured that he could teach himself how to fly.
Well he took of from a farm field and ran right into some power lines. LOL
Man did he get into a whole lot of trouble with that one.

The craziness runs in my family. LOL
Wild eyed country boys.

What does this have to do with thread? Well nothing... Sorry OP.
I'm having fun but I really need to get going to the shop.