ECU Pirates
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Yes. Unless they can be carried in a holster with a covered trigger.
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gun_slinger_boy
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Hmmm. Then what about engaging/disengaging the safety during and after stressful situations? Is it not one more step you have to take before being able to shoot? Not saying either way is right or wrong but just trying to make people think about this from different perspectives.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I would say no but they all come that way.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I know you are being sarcastic but yes. Your finger should be the only safety.
ECU Pirates
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Oh come on now. You really think that? No one ever slipped and fell with a slung or carried rifle? Anything (branches, stones ect.) could end up in the trigger guard and cause bad things to happen.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I do. And I'm serious as all hell. If you follow the basic safety rules, why would you need a safety? The chances of a twig getting onto the trigger and pulling 6 pounds is almost non existent.
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ECU Pirates
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Oh it was in a movie. Ok then. He is a decent actor I guess.
Have you ever been in the north country woods with a rifle? You honestly think carrying a rifle with a round in the chamber and no safety is a good idea? While hiking to a tree stand through thick brush ect.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I have patrolled the jungles of Okinawa on training maneuvers. I fell multiple times. Never once did a twig get in my trigger guard and pull the trigger.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Next time you go hunting, take the safety off on an empty chamber. Walk through the thickest brush and throw yourself on the ground. Tell me if the trigger gets pulled.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Then I guess it can't happen then.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
About the same as the chance of a ND with a Glock.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Nah. I will just continue to use common sense. There is zero reason to carry a hunting rifle with a loaded chamber and no safety. Every hunter safely course disagrees with you.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Actually I wasn't. To be honest I almost never use safties. I agree that trigger discipline is the best way not to fire a weapon. The only pistols I carry with a saftey engaged are single action only pistols like the 1911. A revolver doesn't use a safety and neither does a glock. So you obviously can't use one. But in a case like the makarov where the decocker doubles as a safety I still won't use the safety. That's because I feel confident enough in my handling that the double action pull of the first shot is strong enough not to go off in my holster and or while drawing. I basically treat it like a revolver. But it is nice to have the no brainer ability to bring the hammer down back to the safer double action pull by simply sweeping my thumb up. If you aren't empty of course. As far as rifles I never use those safties either. Unless I'm at some nazi range. Again confidence. So I think this is purely a training issue.
ETA you can easily master going from double action pull to single action
Any firearm that does not have passive safeties needs a manual safety. Any firearm that is not drop safe, which includes any gun with a floating firing pin, should not be carried with a live round in the chamber unless you absolutely need it at the ready and have control of the muzzle at all times. This is basic stuff.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Makarov PM
"The Bulgarian-model Makarov is even government-approved for sale in the U.S. state of California, having passed a state DOJ-mandated drop-safety test."
California...
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I'm agreeing with your last posts. There is no fun in that! 
But I will say that if a gun can be fired by dropping it, it shouldn't be bought.
But I will say that if a gun can be fired by dropping it, it shouldn't be bought.
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Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Like this one:I'm agreeing with your last posts. There is no fun in that!
But I will say that if a gun can be fired by dropping it, it shouldn't be bought.
Start 1st video at 1:10 ->
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Yup. But those are defective guns. Any gun can become defective after enough use (wear) or "tinkering". This is getting more into the quality of a firearm because of the materials used. Could be design too. But I say this again. If in this day and age you can't make a reliable gun then you just suck.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Or any gun that can fire without a deliberate pull of the trigger. That includes the otherwise functional ones that can without an external safety engaged if dropped. .
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meketrefe
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Taurus, Stoeger, etc... make receivers and barrels "good enough" but
the trigger groups are a total POS both from a design and materials perspective.
That is why they cannot be trusted.
the trigger groups are a total POS both from a design and materials perspective.
That is why they cannot be trusted.
meketrefe
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The further the ye target is the higyer ye have to aim. lol
ARs can fire when dropped, seen it happen. Most any long gun I'm aware of with a floating pin can fire when subjected to sufficient shock, particularly if dropped on the buttstock.I'm agreeing with your last posts. There is no fun in that!
But I will say that if a gun can be fired by dropping it, it shouldn't be bought.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Not good then.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Wouldn't it need to be dropped squarely on the muzzle for a free floating pin to ignite the primer? On the butt stock it seems the hammer would have to be disengaged.
Eh, slinging the AR across your chest mitigates the drop fire risk as does keeping it hammer down on an empty chamber when not immediately needed. Rifles get a pass as compared to handguns in this regard due to a difference in use.
ECU Pirates
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This one time, like 2 weeks ago, I saw two men kissing in a park.
And that was the gayest thing I'd ever seen, until I saw this thread.
Your profile pic is literally more gay than this thread.
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I'm talking about a loaded and cocked rifle. Watched a guy drop a loaded and cocked rifle on the buttstock during a bounding overwatch live fire excersise. Fired a round right off. No one was hurt fortunately.