Biden forcing usps to buy EV and spend a boat load of $$

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Sounds like with the executive order the USPS will be forced to replace its fleet of mail trucks.
A quick search revivals they have 228,000 and the only one to submit a bid that would fit the EV is lordstown EV truck at $53,000. Oh not to mention they haven’t built a single vehicle to date. Well the prototype of course. It’s a 600HP EV with a range of 250 mile and towing capacity of 6,000 LBS. now they say 7,500 lbs towing, notsure how much mail weighs but can’t imagine they are over 6,000lbs. It’s just a lot of money to spend.

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USPS is about to plug into electric mail carriers, thanks to Biden administration

The Biden administration will convert the entire fleet of federal vehicles to American-made EVs, and that will mean finally saying goodbye to the Grumman LLV.
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Discover the Endurance, an all-electric work truck with in-wheel hub motor technology. Built for fleets and the modern worker, by Lordstown Motors.
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1. The USPS isn't buying electric vehicles.....YOU AND I ARE!
2. Let's set aside the actual cost of the VEHICLES. Let's look at the cost to install charging stations at locations for all these vehicles. Don't even want to consider the repair and maintenance costs. I'm sure EV's are next to free to fix.
3. I'm getting pretty sick and fucking tired of hearing "executive order". I thought this was a democracy and we vote on decisions. What's the sense of having a senate and congress when everything is an executive order?
4. I'm sure the existing power grid will easily accommodate all this extra demand.
 
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EVs don't have the range yet. Especially in winter.

GM is phasing out internal combustion engines by 2035.

I think GM also is somehow connected to Lordstown. I forget where I read it.

The executive order section 205 deals with govt vehicles and has 2035 as the date to be carbon free. He wants the vehicle plan to be submitted in 90 days.

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Executive Order on Tackling the Climate Crisis at Home and Abroad | The White House

The United States and the world face a profound climate crisis. We have a narrow moment to pursue action at home and abroad in order to avoid the
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Saltwater60 said:
I’m sure. No surprise. This country disgusts me. I’m sick as hell of it.
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Well, I'll disagree... I love my country! Nothing better that God created... The BEST as far as I'm concerned!

That said... I hate the contemporary politics, but hate even more, those career politicans who've whored out our country, sold it off piece by piece and have little concern for ever being culpable for their actions!

But our Country, from Maine to Florida, from East coast to West coast... Nothing better! FTW!
 
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The only positive side of this is my mail carrier has been driving the same clapped out Gruman with no muffler on it for 10 years. My dogs go apeshit every single time they pull in the driveway. The electric probably wont even wake them up unless they do that obnoxious Amazon truck noise.
 
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The usps order could be split between 3 contenders. Workhorse, lordstown and Ford. Remmeber ford is coming out with new etransit Vans. I took a small position in ford , and I have a large portion in workhorse I've held for months.
 
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I hope they include in the quotes the (huge) cost of battery replacement(s). Each vehicle will probably need 3-5 replacement batteries if you think about the lifespan and unprecedented use and abuse the vehicles will get on a daily basis. Phase 1 of green new deal is here.
 
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Chevusa said:
I hope they include in the quotes the (huge) cost of battery replacement(s). Each vehicle will probably need 3-5 replacement batteries if you think about the lifespan and unprecedented use and abuse the vehicles will get on a daily basis. Phase 1 of green new deal is here.
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The batteries in EVs last much longer than most think.

apparwntly these cars do around 110 miles/day. so maybe 30k/year.

given their lifespan I guess your 3 x may be on point.

usps would save a lot on maint and fuel. I don’t know about contract going to a company that hasn’t made any cars yet.
 
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The batteries in EVs last much longer than most think.

apparwntly these cars do around 110 miles/day. so maybe 30k/year.

given their lifespan I guess your 3 x may be on point.

usps would save a lot on maint and fuel. I don’t know about contract going to a company that hasn’t made any cars yet.
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Workhorse has been making Vans and fulfilling 5000 orders . Lordstown owns some of their intellectual property for batteries. Ford has a trusted name though .. I'm thinking both workhorse and Ford will get part of it.
 
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Blimey said:
The batteries in EVs last much longer than most think.

apparwntly these cars do around 110 miles/day. so maybe 30k/year.

given their lifespan I guess your 3 x may be on point.

usps would save a lot on maint and fuel. I don’t know about contract going to a company that hasn’t made any cars yet.
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There is still plenty of “idle” time that is not reflected on the odometer. Yes even electric cars will have to run lights and heat and other systems all day for 10 hours or more. Some vehicles like shared police cars and things like that might run for 24+ hours. So they will take an absolute beating and nobody knows how well these cars will hold up under that. Hell your car might not even be charged up when you need to use it again the next morning. And don’t be fooled. There is still tons of maintenance on an electric car. Still pretty much all the same moving parts and systems.
 
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The only positive side of this is my mail carrier has been driving the same clapped out Gruman with no muffler on it for 10 years. My dogs go apeshit every single time they pull in the driveway. The electric probably wont even wake them up unless they do that obnoxious Amazon truck noise.
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I hear my mail truck coming from down the block those engines make a distinct sound.
 
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I've often thought police vehicles would be a prime ev candidate.

They idle alot its hell on engines and uses alot if fuel. They can use them for 2 shifts and gas on the third while they charge.

Manufacturers could put a small generator in the frunk to power radios ,lights and climate controls to help make batteries last longer or if stopped for long periods .

Cost of the vehicle would be offset by fuel and maintenance costs.
 
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Toecutter said:
I've often thought police vehicles would be a prime ev candidate.

They idle alot its hell on engines and uses alot if fuel. They can use them for 2 shifts and gas on the third while they charge.

Manufacturers could put a small generator in the frunk to power radios ,lights and climate controls to help make batteries last longer or if stopped for long periods .

Cost of the vehicle would be offset by fuel and maintenance costs.
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Do you have any idea how much power those cars draw? They usually have dual HD alternators and batteries. Some even have 3 batteries. The light packages alone draw crazy power. Some even need high idle switches to make sure they are generating enough power when parked. I just don’t think batteries are there yet to handle this.
 
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Do you have any idea how much power those cars draw? They usually have dual HD alternators and batteries. Some even have 3 batteries. The light packages alone draw crazy power. Some even need high idle switches to make sure they are generating enough power when parked. I just don’t think batteries are there yet to handle this.
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Thats why I said a small generator in the frunk to power such things. Cheaper to maintain a genny than a modern gas engine.
Heat and ac would be a much larger draw
 
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I hear my mail truck coming from down the block those engines make a distinct sound.
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The LLV uses the GM "iron duke" 2.5l I have run that engine in a CJ7 and a S10 and it was far quieter than a LLV. USPS must use some craptacular mufflers and no cats on theirs
 
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Hmmm #1 like he said buy american but that wasnt for batteries or he has is fingers crossed behind his back and.....

watch for the $10.56 stamp........it have a lightning bolt on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that still doesn't mean the mail will actually get to the recipient though......
 
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Toecutter said:
Thats why I said a small generator in the frunk to power such things. Cheaper to maintain a genny than a modern gas engine.
Heat and ac would be a much larger draw
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It’d have to be a pretty good size generator. And the electric powered car would have a gas generator?Those engines pollute more than a modern car engine.
 
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It was at or below 0 degrees here when they started their routes this morning. Combine that and the fact that it's nothing but hills around me and the range will be cut really short.
 
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Chevusa said:
It’d have to be a pretty good size generator. And the electric powered car would have a gas generator?Those engines pollute more than a modern car engine.
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I looked into number and at this point I think vehicle cost would be the issue. I'm not worried about emissions rather cost of operation and maintenance.
Typical maintenance and fuel on a police vehicle is 13-15k a year the cost of a gas car is 25-30k so the ev would have to be cheaper than that.
Police cars on average put 20k miles a year thats roughly 60 miles a day on an ev with a 200-300 mile range . Modern evs with heat pumps use 20 percent of the battery per charge for climate control. Most the time police cars sit there doing nothing but idling. Cars are replaced around 100k . Ev may last longer before replacement.
This is depending on where im sure a city is different from a town or highways cars . Out west im sure they drive more than around here.
 
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