Birthright Citizenship or Mutual Compact

[SomeSoldier]

Pre-Amendment citizenship law.

Before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, the antebellum United States generally embraced the common-law doctrine of citizenship by birth within the country.

Before the 14th amendment citizenship, its requirements, and its definition were left to the states.

James Madison is not only famous for his insistence that the Constitution derives its authoritative principles from the Declaration, but also for his oft-repeated statement that “all power in just & free Govt is derived from compact.” Madison undoubtedly regarded the Declaration as the quintessential example of social compact where citizenship was based on the consent of each individual who chose to enter civil society for the equal protection of equal rights.

Thus social compact, not jus solis, was the new basis for citizenship.

 

[Acer-m14]

you cant profit from your crime of having a kid in the USA and it being a US citizen

the crime .. your illegal

 

[spat]

James Madison is not only famous for his insistence that the Constitution derives its authoritative principles from the Declaration, but also for his oft-repeated statement that “all power in just & free Govt is derived from compact.” Madison undoubtedly regarded the Declaration as the quintessential example of social compact where citizenship was based on the consent of each individual who chose to enter civil society for the equal protection of equal rights.

Thus social compact, not jus solis, was the new basis for citizenship.

But, the fact remains, being born here is all that is required to claim citizenship.

There are other ways to claim it, but that one is sufficient.

I really don't get where the whole "consent" thing comes from, this is something someone is actively claiming. Being born here *allows* you to claim US citizenship, it doesn't force it on you that you need to consent to it.

It's like the Rollercoaster that you need to be 48" or taller to ride. You don't consent to the 48" requirement. You either meet it or you don't. It's the ride operator that consents to you riding, and he will not consent if you are too short.

We have the naturalization process for people born elsewhere who *want* to be US citizens to prove that they have what it takes to be "one of us". But, if you're born here you get an automatic pass.


Now, you can argue against that, and I think a system were all citizenship must be earned is a great idea, but that's simply not what we have.

 

[SomeSoldier]

But, the fact remains, being born here is all that is required to claim citizenship.

There are other ways to claim it, but that one is sufficient.

I really don't get where the whole "consent" thing comes from, this is something someone is actively claiming. Being born here *allows* you to claim US citizenship, it doesn't force it on you that you need to consent to it.

It's like the Rollercoaster that you need to be 48" or taller to ride. You don't consent to the 48" requirement. You either meet it or you don't. It's the ride operator that consents to you riding, and he will not consent if you are too short.

We have the naturalization process for people born elsewhere who *want* to be US citizens to prove that they have what it takes to be "one of us". But, if you're born here you get an automatic pass.


Now, you can argue against that, and I think a system were all citizenship must be earned is a great idea, but that's simply not what we have.

The reasoning is in my first post.

"Under the common law the colonists owed “perpetual allegiance.” Here they are absolving themselves of that allegiance and dissolving relations with Great Britain without the King’s permission in clear violation of the common law. The common law of jus solis, entailing perpetual allegiance—that relic of feudalism—is not compatible with the principles of the Declaration of Independence, those principles intended to translate subjects into citizens who possess rights and freely accept obligations."

 

[spat]

The reasoning is in my first post.

"Under the common law the colonists owed “perpetual allegiance.” Here they are absolving themselves of that allegiance and dissolving relations with Great Britain without the King’s permission in clear violation of the common law. The common law of jus solis, entailing perpetual allegiance—that relic of feudalism—is not compatible with the principles of the Declaration of Independence, those principles intended to translate subjects into citizens who possess rights and freely accept obligations."

I fail to see the connection between that and giving people born here automatic citizenship.

You are not binding the people to the land LOL.

You are *allowing* people who have been born here to skip the tedious steps otherwise required to gain citizenship.

 

[Defilade]

We want Lawful proof of citizenship here in order to vote! Not to mention all the other social services that are being handed out.

View attachment vote.mp4

INSANITY - Immigration Accountability Project: Biden Admin “Orders all federal agencies to provide voter registration information to everyone they come in contact with. — State election officials are not permitted to ask for proof of citizenship for applicants who fill out the federal form.

 

[SomeSoldier]

I fail to see the connection between that and giving people born here automatic citizenship.

You are not binding the people to the land LOL.

You are *allowing* people who have been born here to skip the tedious steps otherwise required to gain citizenship.

It's not about binding people to land it's about binding people to a government. Which we all are at this point.

And the steps for gaining citizenship for people born here don't have to be as complex as people wanted to immigrate.

It could be as simple as when the hospital, parents or you apply for a social security number.

This would solve the huge issue of birthright citizenship and a bunch of other issues.

Why is being given the option to pick if you want to a citizen so horrible?

Before income tax people wouldn't have a need to decide until they were voting age.

 

[SomeSoldier]

The very author of the citizenship clause, Sen. Jacob Howard of Michigan, expressly said: "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."

 

[Defilade]

First off a "Person" is corporate fiction. A "Strawman" created to corporitize everyone. It is Man or Woman under Natural/Common. Law. "Person" is Maritime Law B.S...Words matter in proper jurisdiction.

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The difference between:
Maritime Law and Common Law.

You need to know the difference

NATURAL COMMON LAW VS MARITIME ADMIRALTY LAW

Natural Common law is and always has been the law of the land....

Whereas maritime law was brought on to the land by the Cabal for profit only, and they did it via :
- creating a duplicate of your birth certificate with what might look like your name except the name (yours) on the Certificate is specifically written in all CAPITALS

and

-assigning you a pseudo title of a ship such as Mr, Mrs, ,Miss

by doing so, they created your fictional (strawman) person.

A person is a corporation, so you should never identify as a person....

As we are either men or women, we should only ever respond as living sovereign men or women...

All capitals that Maritime law uses are for dead people , in fact, just like capitals are used exactly like this on grave stones,

If we as living Men and Women check our bills, we will discover that bills sent will either be in all or partial capitals or with a title MR /MRS /MS, etc....

This is because a corporation can only contract with another corporation..

No corporation can contract with a living Man or Woman

This is part of the illusion of maritime law, also known as admirality, fleet commercial statute, and contract law.

All laws under maritime law are acts or statutes...acts and statutes have no bearing on a sovereign living man or woman even the police can only enforce by our spoken, nuanced, or written consent.

If you co-operate with an officer, you are creating a joinder or a verbal contract, and you never answer an officer for this reason.

They've sneakily sewn in words with double meanings to rig the system as the word 'understand'.

This , when spoken by police means stand-under "
.. Do you stand under my authority?”

When an officer attempts to arrest (kidnap) you, you must never say...yes I understand ..always:

-state you are a living, breathing sovereign man or woman

-I do not stand under your authority,

-I am not obliged to answer questions

and

-I am not part of the corporation as I am not a person...

I do not consent.

When the duplicate of the birth(berth) certificate was done they stole your Cestui Que Vie Discrentionary Trust which had your birth weight in gold paid into your Trust by the government at the time of your birth .

All your life, they attempt to get you into their rigged courts to remove more money from your Trust.

Furthermore, courts are not even in this land as they are classed as a dry docked ship.

Everything is water related...

You came from your mother's waters
- down a birthing canal and
-then docked..via a doctor

in the U.S. you are not allowed to touch the floor until a baby’s feet are recorded as prints of the vessel

And those baby’s feet prints are docked on the document with a serial number.

The birth certificate itself even states it's not proof of your actual existence.

You stand in the dock the same as a vessel is docked.

Other terminology:

The bank is 2 sides of a river, and the current that flows refers to currency .

Watch the water means so many different things.

Essentially, maritime law makes you dead ( died whilst at sea) status, and therefore , according to them , you are classed as dead cargo on this vessel traveling through a sea of space.

 

[SomeSoldier]

These guys explain it better than I can. The explanation is in the beginning of the video.

 

[Phazer]

The 14th amendment has been misinterpreted for a long, long, time. It is not a matter of geography.

"We the people" of the United States, the citizens of the country, get to determine who becomes a new citizen. An illegal alien that breaches our sovereign borders does not get to confer American citizenship onto their progeny. Period.

 

[spat]

It's not about binding people to land it's about binding people to a government. Which we all are at this point.

And the steps for gaining citizenship for people born here don't have to be as complex as people wanted to immigrate.

It could be as simple as when the hospital, parents or you apply for a social security number.

This would solve the huge issue of birthright citizenship and a bunch of other issues.

Why is being given the option to pick if you want to a citizen so horrible?

Before income tax people wouldn't have a need to decide until they were voting age.

People *do* have the option of citizenship.

It's just that the default for people born here is that they will.

And that makes sense, because the vast majority of them will.

But, nobody is forced into it. You can renounce anytime you want.

Not sure what the point of changing the default is.

When 99.99% of people are going to click the "yes" box, why would you make the default "no" ?

 

[SomeSoldier]

People *do* have the option of citizenship.

It's just that the default for people born here is that they will.

And that makes sense, because the vast majority of them will.

But, nobody is forced into it. You can renounce anytime you want.

Not sure what the point of changing the default is.

When 99.99% of people are going to click the "yes" box, why would you make the default "no" ?

If you were not given a choice and automatically assigned it, then it's forced.

 

[Beerman]

Were the first three Presidents natural born citizens of the United States? Like it or not, born here = US citizen since 9 July, 1868.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Were the first three Presidents natural born citizens of the United States? Like it or not, born here = US citizen since 9 July, 1868.

Like it or not safe act has been law since 2013.

 

[spat]

If you were not given a choice and automatically assigned it, then it's forced.

When you are incapacitated and end up in an ER, they assume you want to live and act accordingly.

That is true for 99.9% of people.

Are you saying they are forcing you to live against your will, because a small number of people would have chosen to die if given the option ?


And what would your plan do with these kids who aren't citizen ?

Mom sneaks across the border from a country that *doesn'* recognize birthright citizenship and drops a crotch goblin. Now the kid has *no* citizenship anywhere. You can't deport him, he has no home country to deport him too.

 

[DoOver]

When you are incapacitated and end up in an ER, they assume you want to live and act accordingly.

That is true for 99.9% of people.

Are you saying they are forcing you to live against your will, because a small number of people would have chosen to die if given the option ?


And what would your plan do with these kids who aren't citizen ?

Mom sneaks across the border from a country that *doesn'* recognize birthright citizenship and drops a crotch goblin. Now the kid has *no* citizenship anywhere. You can't deport him, he has no home country to deport him too.

You mean these same people send billions of dollars back 'home'.

Them illegal aliens??

 

[FP1201]

First off a "Person" is corporate fiction. A "Strawman" created to corporitize everyone. It is Man or Woman under Natural/Common. Law. "Person" is Maritime Law B.S...Words matter in proper jurisdiction.

1 of 2
The difference between:
Maritime Law and Common Law.

You need to know the difference

NATURAL COMMON LAW VS MARITIME ADMIRALTY LAW

Natural Common law is and always has been the law of the land....

Whereas maritime law was brought on to the land by the Cabal for profit only, and they did it via :
- creating a duplicate of your birth certificate with what might look like your name except the name (yours) on the Certificate is specifically written in all CAPITALS

and

-assigning you a pseudo title of a ship such as Mr, Mrs, ,Miss

by doing so, they created your fictional (strawman) person.

A person is a corporation, so you should never identify as a person....

As we are either men or women, we should only ever respond as living sovereign men or women...

All capitals that Maritime law uses are for dead people , in fact, just like capitals are used exactly like this on grave stones,

If we as living Men and Women check our bills, we will discover that bills sent will either be in all or partial capitals or with a title MR /MRS /MS, etc....

This is because a corporation can only contract with another corporation..

No corporation can contract with a living Man or Woman

This is part of the illusion of maritime law, also known as admirality, fleet commercial statute, and contract law.

All laws under maritime law are acts or statutes...acts and statutes have no bearing on a sovereign living man or woman even the police can only enforce by our spoken, nuanced, or written consent.

If you co-operate with an officer, you are creating a joinder or a verbal contract, and you never answer an officer for this reason.

They've sneakily sewn in words with double meanings to rig the system as the word 'understand'.

This , when spoken by police means stand-under "
.. Do you stand under my authority?”

When an officer attempts to arrest (kidnap) you, you must never say...yes I understand ..always:

-state you are a living, breathing sovereign man or woman

-I do not stand under your authority,

-I am not obliged to answer questions

and

-I am not part of the corporation as I am not a person...

I do not consent.

When the duplicate of the birth(berth) certificate was done they stole your Cestui Que Vie Discrentionary Trust which had your birth weight in gold paid into your Trust by the government at the time of your birth .

All your life, they attempt to get you into their rigged courts to remove more money from your Trust.

Furthermore, courts are not even in this land as they are classed as a dry docked ship.

Everything is water related...

You came from your mother's waters
- down a birthing canal and
-then docked..via a doctor

in the U.S. you are not allowed to touch the floor until a baby’s feet are recorded as prints of the vessel

And those baby’s feet prints are docked on the document with a serial number.

The birth certificate itself even states it's not proof of your actual existence.

You stand in the dock the same as a vessel is docked.

Other terminology:

The bank is 2 sides of a river, and the current that flows refers to currency .

Watch the water means so many different things.

Essentially, maritime law makes you dead ( died whilst at sea) status, and therefore , according to them , you are classed as dead cargo on this vessel traveling through a sea of space.

Maybe so, but Judges, Courts, and the Federal Government completely and routinely IGNORES those assertion presented to them and WILL rule against those using it, to accept it would undermine the power and control they exert over us in the name of JustUS.

If you were not given a choice and automatically assigned it, then it's forced.

Until you become an emancipated adult you really do not have any "Rights" or the capacity to make those decisions.
You cannot lawfully enter into a contract with a minor irrespective of age (<18) and if you did and it went to Court, the Judge would dismiss with Prejudice because a Child cannot make rational decisions. (unless they want to cut their bodies up, and well that's OK with the pedos and deviants) Lots of things are assigned at Birth in the United States, makes life easier and less complicated...I wonder if the Amish and Natives giving Birth at Home fill out all the States paperwork or write it in the Family Bible? Up at least into the 1980's you could present your Bible at the DMV to get a Drivers Licenses.

 

[SomeSoldier]

When you are incapacitated and end up in an ER, they assume you want to live and act accordingly.

That is true for 99.9% of people.

Are you saying they are forcing you to live against your will, because a small number of people would have chosen to die if given the option ?


And what would your plan do with these kids who aren't citizen ?

Mom sneaks across the border from a country that *doesn'* recognize birthright citizenship and drops a crotch goblin. Now the kid has *no* citizenship anywhere. You can't deport him, he has no home country to deport him too.

You are right but that doesn't make the child a citizen.

Back in the day it would be given to the church to raise it sent to a home.

As for healthcare, yes they make the assumption you want you want to live.

Not being forced into citizenship at birth will not kill you but that untreated heart attack would. Your choice in comparisons is apples to hotdogs.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Maybe so, but Judges, Courts, and the Federal Government completely and routinely IGNORES those assertion presented to them and WILL rule against those using it, to accept it would undermine the power and control they exert over us in the name of JustUS.

Until you become an emancipated adult you really do not have any "Rights" or the capacity to make those decisions.
You cannot lawfully enter into a contract with a minor irrespective of age (<18) and if you did and it went to Court, the Judge would dismiss with Prejudice because a Child cannot make rational decisions. (unless they want to cut their bodies up, and well that's OK with the pedos and deviants) Lots of things are assigned at Birth in the United States, makes life easier and less complicated...I wonder if the Amish and Natives giving Birth at Home fill out all the States paperwork or write it in the Family Bible? Up at least into the 1980's you could present your Bible at the DMV to get a Drivers Licenses.

What else is forced on you at birth by the gov? By the way, parents are not required to submit for a child's SSN at birth, it's optional.

 

[SomeSoldier]

When you are incapacitated and end up in an ER, they assume you want to live and act accordingly.

Unless it was during 2019-2021. Then they forced a vent down your throat to killed you.

 

[spat]

You are right but that doesn't make the child a citizen.

Back in the day it would be given to the church to raise it sent to a home.

As for healthcare, yes they make the assumption you want you want to live.

Not being forced into citizenship at birth will not kill you but that untreated heart attack would. Your choice in comparisons is apples to hotdogs.

I just don't get this "forced into citizenship" thing.

It literally forces nothing on you, and you can opt out at any time.

What is being forced on a toddler by being a citizen ?

Being a citizen incurs no obligations for a child beyond what merely being a resident incurs.

So, what's forced?

 

[FP1201]

What else is forced on you at birth by the gov? By the way, parents are not required to submit for a child's SSN at birth, it's optional.

What else that is "forced" onto you at Birth is the choices made by Parent(s) and the State should you be a Ward there of.
Doctors what to run Tests, Vaccinate, give supplemental injections (good-bad-questionable)
You are forced into Education with the State preference being Public Education (indoctrination to some) Some that are "Home Schooled" are ill-prepared as their educator isn't of sufficient caliber, or lazy.

 

[SomeSoldier]

I just don't get this "forced into citizenship" thing.

It literally forces nothing on you, and you can opt out at any time.

What is being forced on a toddler by being a citizen ?

Being a citizen incurs no obligations for a child beyond what merely being a resident incurs.

So, what's forced?

Taxes, draft, jury duty, vaccines, probably some others.

 

[spat]

Taxes, draft, jury duty, vaccines, probably some others.

You think you don't pay taxes if you're not a citizen ?

The draft only applies to men, so half the population isn't forced into that at all.

I don't believe US citizenship is a requirement for jury duty either in many jurisdictions.

Basically, all that stuff is an obligation due to your residency, not your citizenship.

What actual obligation has a 5 year old been committed to as a citizen that they don't as a resident ?

 

[FP1201]

You think you don't pay taxes if you're not a citizen ?

The draft only applies to men, so half the population isn't forced into that at all.

I don't believe US citizenship is a requirement for jury duty either in many jurisdictions.

Basically, all that stuff is an obligation due to your residency, not your citizenship.

What actual obligation has a 5 year old been committed to as a citizen that they don't as a resident ?

If you spend or earn any money, the Government is likely to get at least a little of it..."We" pay hundreds of Dollars in small amounts every year with simple purchases and hundreds to thousands more for large ones. (I don't think it's right that I have to pay the State $2,400. PLUS Registration and Title Fee to purchase a $30K vehicle)
Prospective Jurors (as I understood it) came from the Registered Voter Rolls, and I DO want that peer to be a vested Citizen of the United States, and honestly I don't want people that have no skin in the game casting votes...I don't know because it's NY and I was taught Civics in the South >40 years ago, but back in the day people of mental deficiency (retarded, insane indigent) were not allowed to Vote.
One should be involved with the Community they live in and even higher up; it's that lack of involvement that gets us the sort of People we've got now running things, but many just don't.
The five year old hasn't any obligation as neither Citizen nor Resident, however "WE" have the obligation to that Child to bring it along to assimilate into Society while still respecting the Rights and wishes of the Parent...That's where the Judges and overzealous State Officials ted to forget/ignore the lines.

 

[Defilade]

And there you have it!

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Here is the reason why the elites created birth certificates for us.

A birth certificate strips you from your sovereignty and gives you a false identity that allows you to be controlled. Break free from your strawman.

 

[spat]

And there you have it!

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Here is the reason why the elites created birth certificates for us.

A birth certificate strips you from your sovereignty and gives you a false identity that allows you to be controlled. Break free from your strawman.

So, what exactly can a person without a birth certificate do that a person who has one cannot ?

 

[Defilade]

So, what exactly can a person without a birth certificate do that a person who has one cannot ?

Freedom, like it once was.

 

[spat]

Freedom, like it once was.

In what way is someone more free without a birth certificate ?

Specifically, what can they do that the documented person cannot ?