Bloomberg pays felons fines in Florida so they can vote.

[Saltwater60]

I’m sure they will be impartial. I’d love it if they took this money and bought drugs instead.

Bloomberg pays fines for 32,000 felons in Florida so they can vote

Billionaire Michael Bloomberg has reportedly raised more than $16 million in an effort to help convicted felons in Florida register to vote. The Florida Rights Restoration Coalition estimated …

thehill.com

 

[Dr. Evil]

FL Congressman Matt Gaetz said the Florida AG is "all over this" and looking into possible criminal charges.

 

[Saltwater60]

FL Congressman Matt Gaetz said the Florida AG is "all over this" and looking into possible criminal charges.

What’s criminal about giving some one money?

 

[tirwin1]

In my fantasy world one of these criminals buys a gun and shoots bloomberg. Now that's poetic justice.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Hmmm. So felons can vote again in FL as long as their fines are paid. Can they now also buy guns?

 

[Steal2B]

What’s criminal about giving some one mo way?

It's legal for democrats to buy votes with your or our hard earned tax dollars ... but it's not legal to buy votes with their own money cause then it's bribery. Go figure.

It can also be a Federal election charge if the bribe assets cross state lines.

 

[Saltwater60]

It's legal for democrats to buy votes with your or our hard earned tax dollars ... but it's not legal to buy votes with their own money cause then it's bribery. Go figure.

It can also be a Federal election charge if the bribe assets cross state lines.

In theory they are just paying fines to be able to vote. They are not technically paying for them to vote demonrat. We know ho most felons will vote so I’m not in disagreement but you have to prove that. What’s different from the democratic candidates from saying vote for me and I’ll give you all this free shit and $$ every month.

 

[Steal2B]

In theory they are just paying fines to be able to vote. They are not technically paying for them to vote demonrat. We know ho most felons will vote so I’m not in disagreement but you have to prove that. What’s different from the democratic candidates from saying vote for me and I’ll give you all this free shit and $$ every month.

It went well beyond theory when staff has openly and clearly indicated during interviews that a quid pro quo to register / vote is expected, not anticipated.

The difference between a candidate promising free stuff and a tax entity offering a quid pro quo bribe is the difference between politics as usual vs a violation of election / bribery statutes.

 

[Mosinitis]

I remember in 2000 democrat operatives were buying votes in battleground states by offering a pack of cigarettes in poor neighborhoods and this was considered to be illegal. You can't buy votes, that's illegal.

 

[GOYABEAN]

It's illegal for bloomturd and opens a can of new felonies charges for those who accept

 

[repete]

The bastards rich and will get off scot free.

 

[spat]

What’s criminal about giving some one money?

Depends on what you're giving them money for.

Literally paying for votes is a big no-no.

 

[SonOfSun]

Depends on what you're giving them money for.

Literally paying for votes is a big no-no.

They aren't paying for them to vote a certain way, or to even vote. They are paying fines so if they choose to vote they are able to. There is no direction that they have to vote or who to vote for.

Oh, apparently LeBron James is now chipping in as well.

 

[Blimey]

The bastards rich and will get off scot free.

This guy gets it.

 

[Mosinitis]

They aren't paying for them to vote a certain way, or to even vote. They are paying fines so if they choose to vote they are able to. There is no direction that they have to vote or who to vote for.

Oh, apparently LeBron James is now chipping in as well.

Who the fuck are they to nullify the punishment imposed by the courts.

 

[SonOfSun]

Who the fuck are they to nullify the punishment imposed by the courts.

They aren't nullufying the punishment. The courts punishment still needs to be fully satisfied. However, the last time I checked there is no requirement to get the money from W2 sourced employment or whatnot. It's not illegal to donate money to people... Happens all the time.

If this is your argument then liability insurance should be illegal. A third party pays your punishments resulting from your actions.

 

[Mosinitis]

They aren't nullufying the punishment. The courts punishment still needs to be fully satisfied. However, the last time I checked there is no requirement to get the money from W2 sourced employment or whatnot. It's not illegal to donate money to people... Happens all the time.

If this is your argument then liability insurance should be illegal. A third party pays your punishments resulting from your actions.

How do you get this money? By committing a crime. That's funding a commission of a crime. A grant for criminals. Show me where this was challanged in courts and upheld.

Liability insurance doesn't protect you from criminal punishment, only from the civil lawsuits.

 

[dwa12479]

They aren't nullufying the punishment. The courts punishment still needs to be fully satisfied. However, the last time I checked there is no requirement to get the money from W2 sourced employment or whatnot. It's not illegal to donate money to people... Happens all the time.

If this is your argument then liability insurance should be illegal. A third party pays your punishments resulting from your actions.

So if I'm sentenced to jail time and someone offers to serve my sentence for me, I go free?

 

[SonOfSun]

How do you get this money? By committing a crime. That's funding a commission of a crime. A grant for criminals. Show me where this was challenged in courts and upheld.

Liability insurance doesn't protect you from criminal punishment, only from the civil lawsuits.

I'm not aware of a court case hashing out because it's ridiculous at it's face to do so. Donation law is already standard legal practice. For example, when an organization decides to donate $50,000 to help pay for a child's cancer treatment they don't literally hand them a check for the money and just trust the family will use it to pay the medical bills and not gamble it in Las Vegas. They enter into a legally binding donation agreement of how the money will be used as condition of the donation. More on this later and how it applies to this Florida thing below....

If the court sentences you to pay a fine of $1000, you are on the hook for paying the fine of $1000. That's it.

The court doesn't get to dictate where you get the $1000 from, just that you hand it over to them. The source could be work. It could be panhandling (if done legally). It could be through a gofundme. It could be an inheritance. You could win it on a scratch off lottery ticket. All that needs to happen is that money that you legally obtained needs to go from your hands into theirs. Donations to an individual are not illegal (strippers of NYGF rejoice!). Today if so inclined I could donate XXXX amount of dollars to you and it would be legal. My guess is that this comes with a donor agreement where the money is immediately used to pay off the fine. Donor agreements are actually a pretty common legal document when dealing donations of money from a charitable organization to the recipient.

See:

Donation Agreements : ConservationTools

A donation agreement may be used to ensure that a donor’s promise can be relied upon, set the expectations of both donor and donee, and prevent misunder...

conservationtools.org

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Agreement Needed to Evidence Restrictions​

A donation agreement is always necessary when the donor will impose, and donee will accept, certain conditions or continuing obligations pertaining to the gift. For example, formal, written agreements are needed for:​

• a donation subject to restrictions that allow the donor control over the future use of the donation.

 

[SonOfSun]

So if I'm sentenced to jail time and someone offers to serve my sentence for me, I go free?

Jail time and fines are different.

Fines need to be paid by you with money that you legally obtained. Nothing more, nothing less. Donations to a person are legal, see my post above this one for more detail. Jail sentences need to be served by you.

 

[garyv350]

FL Congressman Matt Gaetz said the Florida AG is "all over this" and looking into possible criminal charges.

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[SonOfSun]

Redirect Notice

He's going to lose that case spectacularly if they file it and the understanding of what's being done is correct. Paying someone's debt so they have the ability to vote, if they choose on their own accord to go and vote is very different from specifically paying someone to go and vote.

Here is the website specific to the organisation paying the fines: Florida Rights Restoration Coalition | Join a Chapter

How It Works​

FRRC’s Fines and Fees Program helps returning citizens break down any barriers they may have to voting from financial obligations that arose from a felony conviction (excluding murder or felony sexual offenses).​

To streamline the process wherever possible, we are working closely with stakeholders in several counties to coordinate the use of the court system and current provisions of the law to address financial obligations for returning citizens who apply. In addition, FRRC has partnered with the League of Women Voters of Florida to develop an Attorney Assistance Program so that pro bono attorneys can assist returning citizens through the process and advocate for relief as needed on a case-by-case basis.​

If all they are doing is paying the fines so the recipients have the ability to vote if they choose to do so on their own, and nothing else other than that, then I don't see them running afoul of any laws.

 

[spat]

They aren't nullufying the punishment. The courts punishment still needs to be fully satisfied. However, the last time I checked there is no requirement to get the money from W2 sourced employment or whatnot. It's not illegal to donate money to people... Happens all the time.

If this is your argument then liability insurance should be illegal. A third party pays your punishments resulting from your actions.

Fine, but if these people don’t claim the "donation" as income when they file taxes, they should be going back in the clink.

The whole thing is rotten, and the IRS should be watching closely.

 

[Mosinitis]

So there wouldn't be any problem with the NRA or Gun Owners of America or 2A Foundation setting up a fund to compensate the families for the loss of income earner who assasinates Bloomberg or Soros or anyone else. This is ridiculous, I can't believe people are getting away with this.

 

[SonOfSun]

So there wouldn't be any problem with the NRA or Gun Owners of America or 2A Foundation setting up a fund to compensate the families for the loss of income earner who assasinates Bloomberg or Soros or anyone else. This is ridiculous, I can't believe people are getting away with this.

You mean as an after the fact thing? As in a bunch of people wanted of take care of the family? Yeah, I don't think that would run afoul of any laws and sounds entirely legal. I can't see a reason why legally that wouldn't be allowed. The donors aren't encouraging any illegal behavior, and the gifts/donations would be going to uninvolved third parties.

 

[Mosinitis]

Jail time and fines are different.

Fines need to be paid by you with money that you legally obtained. Nothing more, nothing less. Donations to a person are legal, see my post above this one for more detail. Jail sentences need to be served by you.

Bullshit. There is a bunch of conditions where giving money to someone constitutes a crime. "Donating" money to a prostitute, donating money to a building's inspector, donating money to a judge, donating money to a cop during a traffic stop.

 

[SonOfSun]

Bullshit. There is a bunch of conditions where giving money to someone constitutes a crime. "Donating" money to a prostitute, donating money to a building's inspector, donating money to a judge, donating money to a cop during a traffic stop.

Yeah, but this isn't that. I explained it in detail here: Bloomberg pays felons fines in Florida so they can vote.

 

[Mosinitis]

You mean as an after the fact thing? As in a bunch of people wanted of take care of the family? Yeah, I don't think that would run afoul of any laws and sounds entirely legal. I can't see a reason why legally that wouldn't be allowed. The donors aren't encouraging any illegal behavior, and the gifts/donations would be going to uninvolved third parties.

It's not an after the fact deal. If I am living in Florida and considering comiting a crime, I know ahead of time my monetary penalty will be covered by Bloomberg & Co. That's encouraging commission of a crime.

 

[SonOfSun]

It's not an after the fact deal. If I am living in Florida and considering comiting a crime, I know ahead of time my monetary penalty will be covered by Bloomberg & Co. That's encouraging commission of a crime.

How do you know that? As in 100% for certain, no question of a doubt know that.

That's also quite a stretch. I doubt anyone committing a crime thought to themselves, "I really wasn't going to steal that car, but Mikey B. is going to pay for me to get my voting rights back so fuck it, let's do this thing!".

 

[Chevusa]

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